I entered your Herbert Ohren into my research databases and found him as a child in Edwardsville, IL (Madison County). The newspaper there published numerous items about his visits in the 1920s from Missouri to visit his parents in Edwardsville (and theirs to see him). There's no mention of Herbert having a wife up to 1930. By 1936 the newspaper in Madison, Wisconsin (where Herbert was then working) was already reporting the birth of a child to Herbert and wife Ellen. Unless he was married to two Ellens, it seems that she was the same woman who was later his widow. Is it your thought, Donna, that Herbert was married to (and lost) another woman sometime between 1930 and 1935, when Ellen was in the picture? Not impossible surely but I didn't find any reference to it.
The second daughter is identified in her birth announcement (in Madison) as Donna Rae. You'll find that reference is the research run-down I've copied below. Obviously, just toss those things here that you already knew. I had fun looking him up ~:-) (Hopefully I was following the right man!).
Research database print-out follows:
1910 census -- Edwardsville, Madison Co., IL:
OHREN, William J. -- head, age 41, b. IL, dad German, mom English, proprietor/refreshment stand
Grace M. == wife, age 36, b. IL, parents b. Germany; married 15 yrs.; has borne 2 kids
William J. -- son, age 14, b. IL
Herbert J. -- son, age 11 mos., b. IL
1920 census -- (same Madison Co., IL location as above):
OHREN, Wiliam, age 50, b. IL; mom's birthplace changed to unknown; laborer/roads
Grace -- age 46, mom's birthplace changed to US
Herbert -- age 10, b. IL
Social Security Death Index:
Herbert J. Ohren -- b. May 30, 1909; SS issued WI; died Jan. 26, 1995; last residence: Florence, Lane Co., ORE
Oregon Death Index, 1903-98
Herbert's entry adds to the above SSDI facts that his widow's name was Ellen.
Herbert and Ellen were living in Florence, ORE in 1996-1998. Prior to that were in Oakridge, ORE (1993-1995).
newspaper clippings: EDWARDSVILLE (IL) Intelligencer --
July 28, 1916:
Herbert Ohren, aged 8 years, while playing in his yard with his pet dog, was attacked by the animal Wednesday afternoon and severly bitten on the right leg. A deep gash was made in the boy's flesh by the animal's teeth.
Nov. 15, 1926:
Herbert Ohren of St. Louis spent Sunday with home folks.
Dec. 4, 1926:
(same news as above; Also notes that Mrs. William Ohren had been to St. Louis to visit son Herbert)
Jan. 28, 1927:
(same news as above)
Feb. 25, 1927:
(same as above; identifying parents as Mr/Mrs. William Ohren)
June 7, 1927:
(same news as above)
Dec. 7, 1929:
(same news as above; identifies his town in MO as Kirkwood)
Dec. 10, 1936:
Mr. and Mrs. Wm. Ohren of this city are announcing the marriage of their daughter Arlene to Henry Renken... in Rockford (IL). A six o'clock dinner was served by the bride's aunt and uncle, Mr. & Mrs. HERBERT OHREN at Madison, WI on Saturday evening following the ceremony.
Oct. 28, 1940:
Herbert J. Ohren sold to Gazena Grace Ohren lots 8 and 9, Baird's sub, Edwardsville, $1. [Note: Next day's paper shows she sold it right back to him).
Jan. 2, 1942:
Probate announcement re executor of estate of William P. Ohren, deceased, vs. Herbert J. Ohren re executor's petition to sell real estate to pay debts. [Notes that Herbert is a non-Illinois resident and that the executor wants to sell the lots 8 and 9 referenced in the previous newspaper items].
May 6, 1976:
William J. Ohren of Tempa, FL, formerly of the Edwardville area, died Wed.... His parents, William Ohren Sr. and Grace Ukena Ohren both preceded him in death. He was married to Augusta Eisenberg in Edwardsville in ...1916. She survives. Also has a brother HERBERT OHREN of Portland, ORE... Burial at St. Paul's, Hamel.
WISCONSIN STATE JOURNAL (NEWSPAPER), MADISON WI:
Dec. 3, 1936:
Mr. & Mrs. Herbert Ohren, Route 4, are the parents of a daughter born December 1st at St. Mary's Hospital. Mrs. Ohren was fomerly Miss Ellen Klebesadel.
Sept. 21, 1938:
The marriage of Miss Veronica Catherine Bower, daughter of ... , and John Russel Klebesadel, son of Mr. and Mrs. Walter Klebesadel, 541 W. Main St. (Madison, WI), took place Tuesday at 9 a.m. at St. Raphael's Church... Groomsmen were Roman Bower and Herbert Ohren.
Feb. 13, 1940:
Herbert Ohren, University of Wisconsin heating plant employee, received first aid at Wisconsin General Hospital Monday after he was overcome by coal gas in the cinder pit at the plant. He was released shortly after he recovered.
Feb. 10, 1939:
Mr. and Mrs. Herbert Ohren, 202 N. Orchard St. (Madison, WI), are the parents of a daughter, Donna Rae, born Feb. 8 at Methodist Hospital.
Best to you, Donna.