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Parents of Donald Grant, Sr. of Craskie?

Parents of Donald Grant, Sr. of Craskie?

Posted: 4 Oct 2013 7:37PM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: GRANT
I've come across a very badly mashed-up outline tree which is supposed to cover the descendants of John Roy Grant, b. abt. 1706 in Craskie. The oldest son is listed as Alexander Grant b. abt. 1727 and the next son is Donald Grant, b. abt 1740. Notes on this Donald make it clear that he is the Donald Grant, Sr. of Craskie who settled on the lands of Sir William Johnson in NY, served in KRRNY and then came to Williamstown with Donald, Jr.
I have been trying to trace back the designation "Roy" or "Ruadh" which seems to have been given to eldest sons in my husband's Grant line. Since the earliest ancestor I can identify is Alexander, b. abt. 1733, I can't help wondering if our Alexander was this Donald of Craskie's older brother. So the question is: does anyone have information about the parents of Donald Grant, Sr. of Craskie?

Re: Parents of Donald Grant, Sr. of Craskie?

Posted: 4 Oct 2013 9:36PM GMT
Classification: Query
Hi Joy: The following is what I have found in a book written in the 1800's on a Major Alpin Grant's Ancestors and descendants. It may help.
Patrick Grant of Craskie had a son
Alexander Grant - Younger of Craskie,
Alexander Grant had a son John Grant b about 1707 in Craskie, Glenmoriston, John's wife unknown
6 children are listed Donald 1744 in Craskie, John 1746 in Craskie, Alexander 1748 in Duldreggan, Elspeth 1750 in Duldreggan, Mary 1752 in Duldreggan, Anne 1754 in Duldreggan.
Now birth years may not be solid.
The designation of "roy' or 'ruadh' was used to indicate the child was a red-head. Anne

Re: Parents of Donald Grant, Sr. of Craskie?

Posted: 18 Nov 2013 9:59PM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: GRANT
Thanks, Anne. I didn't see this response until now.
According to the tombstone at St. Andrew's, Williamstown, our Alexander Grant would have been born in 1733 and son, Donald Alexander (later just Alex) was born in 1755. Those dates may not be accurate. If the dates you've found and the tombstone dates are accurate, they can't be the same people, but given a few years one way or the other, perhaps they are.
About "ruadh," I know it means "redhead," but I have a hunch that it became a designation passed down through the generations to indicate that the person was descended from a specific family line, a way to distinguish that line from, say, the "bain/ ban" line which had a blond progenitor. What I noticed in my husband's line is that the eldest son in each generation seems to have been identified as "Roy." I have no proof for that theory, but I thought it worth investigaing.

Re: Parents of Donald Grant, Sr. of Craskie?

Posted: 20 Nov 2013 8:42PM GMT
Classification: Query
Joy: I am not at home with my papers at this time, but something tickled my mind.
If you are looking for Donald Senior of Craskie he settled on what now is Street Road at the west end in Charlottenburgh.
The two families you mentioned are completely separate. Alexander and wife from Sheuglie were Presbyterian.Donald Grant of Craskie Sr were RC's.

Anne

Re: Parents of Donald Grant, Sr. of Craskie?

Posted: 21 Nov 2013 5:19PM GMT
Classification: Query
Thanks, Anne. I did notice that Donald of Craskie was R.C., but I wasn't sure whether that was due to a conversion in order to marry or whether he/ they had been R.C. all along. It was just a speculation anyway. I keep grasping at straws.

Re: Parents of Donald Grant, Sr. of Craskie?

Posted: 11 Dec 2013 8:04PM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Grant McDonell
Hello,
I saw that you wrote about Donald Sr. of Craskie. I am very interested in finding out more, as I believe that I am descended from him. My grandmother was Sarah Grant, daughter of Alexander, son of Donald Grant III. Donald was born in South Branch in 1807 (not 1827 as some records say...I believe that this was a transcription error.)
Donald moved to Norfolk, NY, with most of his children and his wife Sarah/Sally in the late 1870s. I have found him and the family in the 1851, 1861, and 1871 census records. In the 1851 records, he was living with his father, Donald, who was born in NY. His father was 75 in 1851. They were RC. On Donald's Norfolk death record, it lists his father as Donald Grant and his mother as Bell McDonell.

I was very excited to see that you are also descended from this line and hope that you might be willing to share some information. Is the Patrick Grant that you list as Donald's g-grandfather, the "Black Peter" of Glenmoriston?

Re: Parents of Donald Grant, Sr. of Craskie?

Posted: 11 Dec 2013 8:25PM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: GRANT
It looks like my husband does not descend from this line (it would be his, not mine). My question was speculative. The Grant line from which he descends were elders in the Kirk of Scotland (St. Andrew's, Williamstown), so the R.C. heritage pretty much voids that connection unless there was a conversion before about 1800.
I'm having a huge problem tracing this line back to Scotland. When did they come over? Before or after the Revolution? (Donald) Alexander Grant (1755-1840) received a Crown Grant in 1803 in 2nd SSRR, but I have not been able to learn on what basis it was given, which would go a long way toward learning when the family emigrated. There's a tombstone in St. Andrew's graveyard that identifies his father as Alexander Grant (1733-1791) married to Marjory Grant. The trail ends there... so far.

Re: Parents of Donald Grant, Sr. of Craskie?

Posted: 11 Dec 2013 10:10PM GMT
Classification: Query
"Black Peter" of Glenmoriston is likely not his gr grandfather. I have seen people with "Black Peter" as the husband of a Janet Grant (Dau of Aeneas Grant and Hannah Grant).
A few years ago my sister did a search on 'Black Peter" and found he was not married and died near Edinburgh. A minister recounted the tales of 1745 in a book called 'A lyon in Mourning'. Black Peter Grant is mentioned in this book.
Anne Neuman

Re: Parents of Donald Grant, Sr. of Craskie?

Posted: 11 Dec 2013 10:16PM GMT
Classification: Query
I would say that the family came out sometime after 1786 as that is when Marjory's nephew, John Grant Duldreggan, + children arrived in Montreal. Alexander died in 1791 as noted on the tombstone. Look for ships between 1786 and 1791.
There was a ship that came out in 1786 with many Mcdonells on it. It arrived about the same time as the ones whom left in 1785 and came into Canada via New York city and overland to Canada.
One of my 3rd Gr Grandfather Alexander McMillan came out on the 1786 ship, another, John Grant Duldreggan, came out on the 1785 ship which went in at New York City.
Anne Neuman

Re: Parents of Donald Grant, Sr. of Craskie?

Posted: 13 Dec 2013 12:01PM GMT
Classification: Query
Hi Anne,
Do you know what ships arrived in 1774? I have a book, Socts Colonists of Early America, by David Dobson, which shows that there is a Patrick Grant from Strathspey, born in 1745 Greenock to New York. The ship was called the George. My ancestor, Peter Grant, arrived in 1774,according to records. John Cameron is also on the same ship and John and Peter had ties in Charlottenburgh later. Do you know more about this ship or any others that came in 1774?

Thanks for your help Anne,
Barb Gressel
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