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Ferguson History

Posted: 14 Aug 2013 9:13PM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Ferguson, Short, Brown, Robson
Hi everyone I'm new to this I am trying to find out some information on my dads family history. I know his dad Thomas Ferguson was born in Morpeth, England June 1903 his parents were Richard Ferguson (march 7th 1874) and Ann Brown (June 3rd 1872) I am trying to find out when they immigrated to Canada and any other information I can find out about them. Richards Parents were John Ferguson (born in 1832 Morpeth) and Jane Short (sept 22 1833 Belford) Ann's parents were Johnathon Brown and Hannah Robson. That is all the info I have so if you know anymore I would appreciate it being passed on. Thank you

Re: Ferguson History

Posted: 14 Aug 2013 9:35PM GMT
Classification: Biography
Edited: 15 Aug 2013 11:04AM GMT
Surnames: Fergusson
John Fergusson baptised Morpeth St. Mary 5 Feb 1832 s/o William and Mary. Sibling Ann baptised 17 Aug 1828

Both children born Hepscott Moor, father was a Yeoman for Ann and Hind for John.

William was born Morpeth and Mary was born Stamfordham. I willtry to get a little more on them when I am at home and have records.

Richard, age 34, Ann, age 35, Jane age 6 and Thomas age 4 left Liverpool 9 May 1907 headed for Quebec, Canada on the ship Southwark.

Janis

Re: Ferguson History

Posted: 15 Aug 2013 11:13AM GMT
Classification: Query
Edited: 15 Aug 2013 12:25PM GMT
Surnames: Ferguson Brown Robson
I cannot find them in 1911 so they may well have emigrated before then.

From Ancestry's UK Outward Passenger lists:
Name: Thomas Ferguson Gender: Male Age: 4
Departure Date: 9 May 1907 Port of Departure: Liverpool, England
Destination Port: Quebec, Canada
Ship Name: Southwark
Shipping Line: Dominion Line Master: J O Williams

Checking the image:
Richard FERGUSON Farmer age 34
Ann do Wife age 35
Jane do Child age 6
Thomas do Child age 4
(all English)

1901 census RG13-4831 folio 104
Salisbury Street, Morpeth Castle, NBL
Richard FERGUSON Head Mar 28 Railway Platelayer NBL Morpeth
Ann do Wife Mar 29 DUR Marley Hill
Jane do Daur 2 mo NBL Morpeth
Thomas ROBSON F in Law Widower 50 Coal Miner Hewer DUR Hebburn on Tyne

Seems to be the same family though "Platelayer" and "Farmer" are different trades. Also how come the Father in Law is called ROBSON and not BROWN.

Bryan

ps

I could not find a marriage for Richard FERGUSON and Ann ROBSON or BROWN. This census in 1891 starts to make sense of it. Note the age of Margaret vs Thomas.
1891 census RG12-4086 folio 38vs
21 Joisey's Sq., Stanley, Tanfield, DUR
Thomas ROBSON Head Mar 40 Coal Miner DUR Hebburn
Margaret do Wife Mar 49 NBL Haltwhistle
John HUMBLE Boarder Mar 21 Coke Drawer DUR Tanfield
Ann do Boarder Mar 19 DUR Gateshead
(so is Ann HUMBLE related to Thomas or Margaret? Possibly daughter of Margaret and step-daughter of Thomas)

Freebmd has this marriage.
Marriages Oct-Dec 1890
Brown Ann Lanchester 10a 446
Humble John Lanchester 10a 446

This is likely the death of John
Deaths Jan-Mar 1894
Humble John 24 Lanchester 10a 159

Then this is her re-marriage
Marriages Jan-Mar 1900
Ferguson Richard Lanchester 10a 429
Humble Ann Lanchester 10a 429
Stephenson Alice Lanchester 10a 429
Wilkinson Alfred Lanchester 10a 429
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Re: Ferguson History

Posted: 15 Aug 2013 1:14PM GMT
Classification: Query
Edited: 15 Aug 2013 3:18PM GMT
Surnames: Brown Robson
Amber,

Seems like somebody decided that all this stuff about people in the North East of England belongs on a Canada Board - weird.

Anyway I think I've sorted out where Ann BROWN came from though not yet the maiden name of her mother.

This seems to be Ann in 1881 census Rg11-5024 folio 4
Marley Hill Hole. Marley, Whickham, DUR
William ROBSON Head Widr 68 Coal Miner NBL Berwick?
John ROBSON Grandson Unm 23 Coal Miner DUR Marley Hill
Margaret BROWN Servant Mar 39 Domestic Servant NBL Angleton?
Annie BROWN Servant Unm 9 Scholar DUR Marley Hill

So it seems that Ann BROWN was not born in Morpeth and the parents are not Jonathan BROWN and Hannah ROBSON as Amber said and has on her tree.

I could not find her birth in Freebmd but DRO (Durham Records Online) has what looks like her baptism.

Baptisms, Lanchester District - Record Number: 733037.0
Location: Stanley
Church: Primitive Methodist Circuit
Denomination: Methodist
26 Dec 1871 Ann Brown, of High Row, Marley Hill, Whickham, born 20-Dec, child of Jonathan (coal miner) & Margaret Brown

So it seems her father was called Jonathon BROWN.

Bryan

ps -
Here is Jonathan and Margaret BROWN in 1871 census Rg10-5063 folio 23
48 Wagon Way Row, Marley Hill, Whickham, DUR
Johnathan BROWN Head Mar 32 Coal Miner CUL Alston
Margaret do Wife Mar 30 DUR Haltwhistle
David McQUEEN Boarder Unm 30 Coal Miner Ireland

On the previous page a possible brother for Jonathan
47 Wagon Way Road, Marley Hill, Whickham, DUR
John BROWN Head Mar 38 Coal Miner CUL Alston
Jane do Wife Mar 38 DUR Gateshead
Margaret do Daur 11 School Boy (sic) DUR Whickham
William do Son 3 DUR do
John do Son 1 DUR do

In 1861 census Rg9-3908 folio 27
Farlam CUL there is
David BROWN Boarder Unm 23 Coal Miner CUL Alston
Jonathan BROWN Boarder Unm 21 Coal Miner CUL Alston
They are living with William ARMSTRONG age 36 Coal Miner NBL Haltwhistle.
So maybe that is how Jonathan BROWN met Margaret ?????

However - still cannot find index of either of the marriages of Margaret nor the birth of her daughter in order to find the maiden name of Margaret.
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Re: Ferguson History

Posted: 15 Aug 2013 5:36PM GMT
Classification: Query
Thanks for the reply Janis could you tell me what a yeoman and a hind is? Thanks :)
Amber

Re: Ferguson History

Posted: 15 Aug 2013 6:05PM GMT
Classification: Query
Wow thanks Bryan I guess I have some questions to ask my dad and see what he can tell me. I do have a picture of Ann Brown if that would help at all. As well as a few records that I am just finding but they are a bit hard to read. And looking at the marriage certificate it says Ann Humble and that she was a widow. I am going to have to try to get my scanner to work. Thanks for all the information.

Re: Ferguson History

Posted: 15 Aug 2013 8:16PM GMT
Classification: Query
Just call it farm worker, maybe like a tenant farmer(yeoman) and farm worker was a hind. They were general terms.

Re: Ferguson History

Posted: 17 Aug 2013 11:30AM GMT
Classification: Query
Edited: 17 Aug 2013 11:41AM GMT
Surnames: Brown Humble Proud
Hi Amber,
It was bothering me as to the maiden name of the mother of your Ann BROWN. Think I have shown that it was PROUD. (edit - the clincher is the census mentions of Angerton as the place of birth)

Summing up what is known about Margaret the mother of Ann BROWN. To find her maiden name we need to find birth certificate for her daughter Ann BROWN born c. of her marriage to Jonathan BROWN between 1861 and 1871 or her marriage to Thomas ROBSON 1881 to 1891.
What is below I made up from what is known in chronological order and then filled in the extra bits I found (also in chronological order) - which all now seem to add up.

From census records Margaret was born c. 1840 in NBL at Haltwhistle or "Angleton" (wherever "Angleton is and if it is transcribed right)

Either of these might be the Margaret PROUD who married Jonathan BROWN in Gateshead District in 1864 (if indeed that marriage is relevant):
Births Apr-Jun 1841
Proud Margaret Haltwhistle 25 260

Births Jul-Sep 1841
Proud Margaret Haltwhistle 25 265

This will be the 1841 census for the Margaret PROUD whose birth was registered in Q2 of 1841
1841 census Ho107-839-16 folio 16
Angerton, Blekinsopp, Haltwhistle
William PROUD 30+ Coal Miner Y
Ann do 30 Y
Jane do 9 U
Henry do 5 Y
Ann do 2 Y
Margaret do 2 month Y
(ages over 15 may be round down to the nearest 5. The "y" means borth in this county)
(My 1934 Gazetteer says "Blenkinsopp , par. and Ham., with collieries, S. Northumberland, 3 m. W. of Haltwhistle; 2488 ac., pop. 549." )

1851 census shows the other Margaret PROUD was age 9 living in Featherstone with parents Henry and Isabella.

This is the one we want:
1851 census Ho107-2389 folio 414
Lead Gate, Ivestone. DUR
William PROUD Head Mar 45 Miner NBL
Ann do Wife Mar 41 NBL
Jane do Daur Unm 19 NBL
Henry do Son Unm 14 Miner NBL
Margaret do Daur 10 Scholar NBL
Matilda do Daur 7 Home NBL
Hannah do Daur 7 Home NBL
Matthew do Son 4 Home FUR Lead Gate

1861 Jonathan BROWN is not married so he marries a Margaret between April 1861 and March 1871 in CUL, NBL or DUR.

This is almost certain to be Margaret in 1861
1861 census Rg09-3807 folio 65
Church Chase, Whickham, DUR
Joseph SHAW Head Mar 48 Shoe Maker YKS Whitby
Mary do Wife Mar 49 DUR S. Shields
Margaret PROUD Servant Unm 19 House Servant NBL Greenhead.
(Greenhead is just West of Blenkinsopp)

Freebmd marriages of a Jonathan BROWN to a Margaret between 1861 and 1871:
(note that this may not have been the first marriage of either of them)
Marriages Jan-Mar 1864
Brown Jonathan Gateshead 10a 717
Proud Margaret Gateshead 10a 717
(At this time the Gateshead District covered Whickham where Jonathan and Margaret were living in 1871. No sign of this marriage in DRO but there coverage is no where near complete.

Marriages Jul-Sep 1869
Asquith Margaret Skipton 9a 58
Brown Jonathan Skipton 9a 58
GILL James Skipton 9a 58
SMITH Mary Jane Skipton 9a 58
(This location is less likely to be the one we want)


1871 census Rg10-5063 folio 23
48 Wagon Way Row, Marley Hill, Whickham, DUR
Johnathan BROWN Head Mar 32 Coal Miner CUL Alston
Margaret do Wife Mar 30 DUR Haltwhistle
David McQUEEN Boarder Unm 30 Coal Miner Ireland

1871 baptism of Ann BROWN
Baptisms, Lanchester District - Record Number: 733037.0
Location: Stanley
Church: Primitive Methodist Circuit
Denomination: Methodist
26 Dec 1871 Ann Brown, of High Row, Marley Hill, Whickham, born 20-Dec, child of Jonathan (coal miner) & Margaret Brown

1881 census Rg11-5024 folio 4
Marley Hill Hole. Marley, Whickham, DUR
William ROBSON Head Widr 68 Coal Miner NBL Berwick?
John ROBSON Grandson Unm 23 Coal Miner DUR Marley Hill
Margaret BROWN Servant Mar 39 Domestic Servant NBL Angleton?
Annie BROWN Servant Unm 9 Scholar DUR Marley Hill
(Where is the husband of Margaret and what is her relationship if any to William ROBSON (age 68 born in NBL Berwick?) the head of the household. What is this place which might read Angleton?)

1891 census shows Margaret has married a Thomas ROBSON. Presumably between 1881 and 1891 though maybe they were just living together.

By 1901 Margret has died.
1901 census RG13-4831 folio 104
Salisbury Street, Morpeth Castle, NBL
Richard FERGUSON Head Mar 28 Railway Platelayer NBL Morpeth
Ann do Wife Mar 29 DUR Marley Hill
Jane do Daur 2 mo NBL Morpeth
Thomas ROBSON F in Law Widower 50 Coal Miner Hewer DUR Hebburn on Tyne

Amber, for your family scrapbook you may want to get some of the certificates related to your ancestors.
BMD certificates cost £9.25 from here (you can pay more and wait longer by getting them through a third party)
http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/

Bryan
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Re: Ferguson History

Posted: 28 Aug 2013 4:55AM GMT
Classification: Query
Thanks Bryan that is really helpful. My dad will be very interested in all this. Thanks for taking the time to dig and the suggestions on where to get the certificates.

Amber
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