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Orr of Guernsey Co OH 1840 from Co Down Ireland

Orr of Guernsey Co OH 1840 from Co Down Ireland

Posted: 16 Jul 2013 4:09PM GMT
Classification: Query
Edited: 17 Jul 2013 2:17AM GMT
Surnames: Orr, Kennedy
2013july from Warren Forsythe
My best contact for this is genealogy118 (at) fairpoint.net
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I posted a more extensive tree of ORR and KENNEDY of Guernsey Co OH at
http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=REG&d...
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I’m no expert but I copied a bunch of findagrave and ancestry.com
trees to make a better family tree than is posted on a free site.
Maybe I cited them well enough to help you.

Orr Tierney Turney Kennedy Rourke O’Rourke Bracken Johnston Stockdale Herman

Re: Orr of Guernsey Co OH 1840 from Co Down Ireland

Posted: 27 Jul 2013 11:32AM GMT
Classification: Query
Edited: 27 Jul 2013 1:17PM GMT
Surnames: Orr, Rourke
I have several records of the Orrs prior to coming to America including christening records, a map of the area which they homesteaded/ rented, a current picture of what is believed to be walls of their Stonehouse. My lineage is from the union of Delena and Edward Rourke . I have their marriage certificate taking place right before they boarded the boat.

Re: Orr of Guernsey Co OH 1840 from Co Down Ireland

Posted: 27 Jul 2013 1:46PM GMT
Classification: Immigration
Surnames: Weaver, Stewart
Hans Weaver of Guernsey also of Killyleagh, County Down.
His mother came along and was a Stewart of the same county.

Re: Orr of Guernsey Co OH 1840 from Co Down Ireland

Posted: 28 Jul 2013 12:48AM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Orr, Kennedy, Bracken
I have more in depth info on Orr, kennedy, Bracken families. Let me know if interested.

Re: Orr of Guernsey Co OH 1840 from Co Down Ireland

Posted: 5 Aug 2013 4:51PM GMT
Classification: Query
Edited: 6 Aug 2013 4:49AM GMT
Surnames: Orr
Warren Forsythe – genealogy118 (at) fairpoint.net
My previously posted descendancy
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http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=REG&d...
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has been much improved now since the author (below) sent me his better paper descendancy , now scanned for computer
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!2013jul from Paul R “Bob”Orr -- boborr (at) abelink.com
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The 1796 Flaxseeds list of Co. Down lists both a Matthew& a John Orr in Saul Townland, Saul Parish. I suspect that is where theywere from.=
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CAVEAT: since 1700s evidence in Ireland is usually notavailable,
We unfortunately base all our Ireland birthplaces andmarriage places upon
The above one record from Saul Parish, which is at SW cornerof
Strangford Lough, the huge lake or estuary which occupies alot of eastern Co. Down,Ireland;
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And His Orr descendancy:
PaulR. Orr
812Cindy Drive
Burlington,IA 52601
319-752-0528
Boborr(at) abelink.com
LastRevised: 10 Dec. 2003Unproofed
Descendants ofMatthew & John Orr of Guernsey Co., OH

AReference;

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Re: Orr of Guernsey Co OH 1840 from Co Down Ireland

Posted: 5 Aug 2013 6:12PM GMT
Classification: Query
Edited: 6 Aug 2013 4:49AM GMT
Surnames: Orr
I am descended from the Mathew Orr that is listed in the Saul Flaxseeds lists. I have leases and maps that locate where he lived in Welshestown townland of Saul, and would be interested in hearing from anyone who believes they descend from either Mathew or John or the other Orrs at Ballyculter.

Re: Orr of Guernsey Co OH 1840 from Co Down Ireland

Posted: 9 Aug 2013 8:35PM GMT
Classification: Query
Edited: 10 Aug 2013 2:19PM GMT
Surnames: Orr
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9 Aug 2013 from me
Warren Forsythe – genealogy118 (at) fairpoint.net

Paul R. “Bob” Orr sent a better Orr descendancy of Guernsey Co OH.
And that improved my tree of early Orr families of Guernsey Co OH
Posted at
http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=REG&d...

the source for this improved compilation was mostly
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!2013jul from Paul R “Bob”Orr -- boborr (at) abelink.com
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The 1796 Flaxseeds list of Co. Down lists both a Matthew& a John Orr in Saul Townland, Saul Parish. I suspect that is where theywere from.=
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CAVEAT: since 1700s evidence in Ireland is usually notavailable,
We unfortunately base all our Ireland birthplaces andmarriage places upon
The above one record from Saul Parish, which is at SW cornerof
Strangford Lough, the huge lake or estuary which occupies alot of eastern Co. Down,Ireland;
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And His Orr descendancy:
PaulR. Orr
812Cindy Drive
Burlington,IA 52601
319-752-0528
Boborr(at) abelink.com
LastRevised: 10 Dec. 2003Unproofed
Descendants ofMatthew & John Orr of Guernsey Co., OH
AReference;

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Re: Orr of Guernsey Co OH 1840 from Co Down Ireland

Posted: 11 Aug 2013 8:34PM GMT
Classification: Query
Edited: 11 Aug 2013 9:45PM GMT
Surnames: Orr, Tierney, Bracken, O’Rourke, Rourke, Kennedy, Johnston, Stockdale, Cunnard
11 Aug 2013 from me
Warren Forsythe - genealogy118 (at) fairpoint.net
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~~Thanks so much again, Warren Forsythe for database ildaunewtest at
http://wc.rootsweb.com
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P.S.
current tree on my own site
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http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=REG&d...
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LDS Salt Lake site version (harder for me to compile there because it's the
Mormon site, not my own site)
(which is now accessible to the public just by registering a user name and
password)
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https://familysearch.org/tree/#view=ancestor&person=LDF7...
which family group sheet says

Family Group Record
Husband
NameMatthew Orr (PID:LDF7-4DX)
Birth 1771 Place of Ballyculter Parish,Down,Ireland
Christening Place
Marriage before 1811 Place ? near Ballyculter Parish,Down,Ireland
Death 7 September 1840 Place Sugartree, Guernsey, Ohio, United States
Burial or cremation about 10 September 1840 Place
Monroe,Guernsey,OH,Irish Ridge Cem
Husband's father
Name Thomas Orr (PID:LDKQ-9MM)
Deceased
Husband's mother
Maiden name
Deceased
Wife
NameHannah Tierney (PID:LDF7-4PT)
Birth 1789 Place ? near Ballyculter Parish,Down,Ireland
Christening Place
Death 1869 Place Guernsey, Ohio, United States
Burial or cremation 1869 Place Irish Ridge Cemetery, Monroe Township,
Guernsey, Ohio, United States
Wife's father
Name
Deceased
Wife's mother
Maiden name
Deceased
Children
1
Child's name
Elizabeth Eliza Orr (PID:LDF4-2B2)
Male
Female
Birth 6 December 1810 Place Audleystown,Ballyculter,Down,Ireland
Christening Place
Marriage 15 March 1838 Place Guernsey, Ohio, United States
Death 1 June 1896 Place Monroe Township, Guernsey, Ohio, United States
Spouse
Name John Bracken (PID:LDF4-L9J)
2
Child's name
Maudlena Delena Ann Orr (PID:LDF4-LD1)
Male
Female
Birth 1813 Place Audleystown,Ballyculter,Down,Ireland
Christening Place
Marriage about 1835 Place
Death 9 May 1870 Place Guernsey, Ohio, United States
Spouse
Name Edward O-Rourke Rourke (PID:LDF4-LKH)
3
Child's name
Margaret Orr (PID:9NP1-X81)
Male
Female
Birth 14 August 1817 Place Audleystown,Ballyculter,Down,Ireland
Christening 13 March 1815 Place Downpatrick, Down, Ireland
Marriage 1838 Place Monroe, Guernsey, Ohio, USA
Death 13 October 1876 Place Monroe, Guernsey, Ohio, USA
Spouse
Name Benjamin Franklin Kennedy (PID:K4RW-4QV)
4
Child's name
Ann Jane Orr (PID:LDF4-LT2)
Male
Female
Birth 1819 Place Audleystown,Ballyculter,Down,Ireland
Christening Place
Marriage 14 October 1847 Place ,Guernsey,OH
Death 9 May 1870 Place ,Guernsey,OH
Spouse
Name James Johnston (PID:LDF4-GW4)
5
Child's name
Matthew Orr (PID:LDF4-L1P)
Male
Female
Birth 1821 Place Audleystown,Ballyculter,Down,Ireland
Christening Place
Marriage Place
Death 1871 Place Yreka,Siskiyou,CA
Spouse
Name
6
Child's name
Henry Orr NV miner & builder (PID:LDF4-G98)
Male
Female
Birth 1822 Place Audleystown,Ballyculter,Down,Ireland
Christening Place
Marriage Place
Death 2 February 1899 Place ,San Francisco,California,obit in NV
Spouse
Name
7
Child's name
Thomas W Tom Orr (PID:LDF4-GSD)
Male
Female
Birth 24 December 1824 Place Audleystown,Ballyculter,Down,Ireland
Christening Place
Marriage 4 September 1859 Place ,,,USA prob
Death 16 February 1904 Place Yreka,Siskiyou,CA
Spouse
Name Jean Stockdale (had lame leg) (PID:LDF4-P3V)
8
Child's name
William Crosby Orr (PID:LDF4-G3Q)
Male
Female
Birth April 1829 Place Audleystown,Ballyculter,Down,Ireland
Christening Place
Marriage 27 February 1869 Place Guernsey,Ohio
Death 1901 Place Dillon,Beaverhead,Montana
Spouse
Name Rachel Cunnard (PID:KNZ4-59B)
9
Child's name
John S Orr ?maybe?sailor&drunkard (PID:LDF4-G3Y)
Male
Female
Birth 1832 Place Audleystown,Ballyculter,Down,Ireland
Christening Place
Marriage Place
Death 1892 Place ?maybe either,,CA,MT
Spouse
Name
1


-----Original Message-----
From: Brenda Orr-Berwick
Sent: Friday, August 09, 2013 1:13 PM
To: genealogy118 (at)
fairpoint.net
Subject: Matthew Orr who emigrated 1835

I posted this on your ancestry genealogy126126 site and then realised your
post had requested the item go to the genealogy118 account.
So apologies if you receive this twice. Below is what I wrote.

Hi Warren

I have been researching Matthew Orr intensively the last year, and have much
information on him on the Irish side. I located the birth certificates for
all his children at Ballyculter Parish Church, not Saul. I am from
Downpatrick Co Down and know all the Orr families in the area, since they
have been there since at least 1789. I know this because I have the leases
for their land tenancies from this time onwards. Mathew Orr who emigrated in
1835, is from Audleystown part of Ballyculter parish, not Saul. I even have
the conveyance document where he quit the land on 12th March 1835. And I
have traced the family home in the ruins in a field in Audleystown. The Flax
records that Bob Orr points to, do mention a Mathew Orr and a John Orr.
There is a possibility that this Mathew in the Saul records is the father to
Mathew Orr of Audleystown. Mathew Orr of Saul has two children called
William and Thomas Orr, they inherit the property in 1817 when the leases
become due for renewal. Mathew of Audleystown renews his leases about one
month later, which implies he is closely related to William and Thomas.
Furthermore the signature of William Orr on William and Thomas lease is the
same signature to the William who witnesses Mathew of Audleystown lease in
1817. I have run these leases past a genealogist with the Ulster Historical
Foundation in Belfast and they say that the signatures are so similar that
they are higly likely to be same person, which is an indication of siblings.
However, I can find no John Orr in Saul. I can find a James at Carrowcarlin,
the townland that is next to Welchestown, but he is 65 in 1790, so could not
be the brother of Mathew who goes out before him to Guernsey Co. Furthermore
I am investigating the family trees of the Orrs at Ballyculter, who still
farm in this area next door to Ballyculter church. There is a John and
Thomas Orr at Ballyculter in the Flax database records for 1796 and I also
have their leases which start around 1789. Of these pair I know that John
has a son called John and Thomas has a son called Mathew and the names and
ages of these children appear on the leases. Mathew's date of birth is 1771
which fits with the Mathew of Audleystown who emigrates in 1835. I also have
all the BMDs for Ballyculter Church from 1777 to present day. Mathew of
Audleystown was the Church Warden at Ballyculter in 1827 and I have a
transcribe of the records for all the vestry minuites. Also, I saw the Saul
parish records (baptisms) at Downpatrick Cathedral last week, that is the
original records. There is no records in them for Mathew or Johns birth, so
Bob Orr is wrong. They were not born at Saul. What I am trying to work out
is Mathew of Audleystown a brother or a cousin to Thomas Orr of Welshestown
born 1782. I am descended from the Thomas Orr of Welshestown Parish of Saul,
whose father is Mathew Orr you see in the flax records for Saul.

You can contact me direct by email if you want to explore this further or
see copies of my documentation.

Brenda Orr-Berwick
bob
at
slaughter8562.fsnet.co.uk =

Re: Orr of Guernsey Co OH 1840 from Co Down Ireland

Posted: 13 Aug 2013 6:59PM GMT
Classification: Query
Edited: 13 Aug 2013 8:39PM GMT
Surnames: Orr
13 aug 2013
from me Warren Forsythe genealogy118 (at) fairpoint.net
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I tried writing to njankrum (at) aol.com a couple days ago
but no reply; so will try to copy ot this ancestry.com for you
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11 Aug 2013
from Warren Forsythe to Nancy J Ankrum
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Thanks for replying via ancestry.com !!
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Bob Orr’s 2003 Orr descendancy of Guernsey Co OH mentioned you,
but 10 years later I’m glad that you confirmed that you were still active!
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I’m not related to the Orr family. I just wanted readily available descendancy info
to become, well, readily available to people casually cruising the internet for Orr of Guernsey OH.
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Even better would be for you to post better versions of the following rootsweb tree on the internet,
as you have more of a continuing dedication to the tree.
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But compared to Orr family,
the Partridge Trap school is more of my family , as from 1840’s to 1880s, many of my kin taught there
--maybe surnames Robe, Kennedy, Forsyth/Forsythe
so anything you can easily send (already digitized etc) I’d love to look at

On Orr family, this is what I sent Bob today, and I’d love any corrections you have time to send
about my rootsweb site below
~~Thanks, Warren Forsythe
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P.S. details
11 Aug 2013
from Warren Forsythe to Brenda Orr-Berwick
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my Orr internet family trees are too oversimplified, compared to yours.
Rather than extreme accuracy, my fondest dreams are rather that:
(1) maybe through my internet postings, more Orr researchers will gain
access to your extremely helpful ca 1790 Audleystown, Ballyculter Parish,
Down, Ireland
paragraph WAY down at the end of this email.
(2) perhaps my dream might happen of your thereby making contact with an
additional County Down researcher who also might have good ca.1790 records.
~~Thanks so much again, Warren Forsythe for database ildaunewtest at
http://wc.rootsweb.com
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P.S.
current tree on my own site
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http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=REG&d...
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