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Nogales Tellechea Clan

Nogales Tellechea Clan

Posted: 29 Jan 2011 8:52AM GMT
Classification: Query
Jose Benjamin, please trace ancestors, my grandmother Rafaela Castro married Ismael ? Tellechea about 1895 raised the very young Benjamin and gave birth to the following Tellecheas, Alfonso aka Zapata, Isidro, Samuel, David, Celia and Daniel, after widowed marries Bernardo Plascencia and had other bunch including my mom the youngest of thirteen children

Re: Nogales Tellechea Clan

Posted: 31 Jan 2011 3:57PM GMT
Classification: Query
Ismael Teyechea (also spelled Tellechea or basque Teietxea) born Wednesday October 26, 1877 at around 10am in the morning to Modesto Teyechea and Castula Ocana Teyechea in the parrish of mineral de mulatos de Sonora, Mx. The second to the eldest of eight surviving children born to Modesto and Castuala.

I have a note concerning Rafaela Castro. She married at age 17 on Saturday, May 18, 1895 at Tubatama Distrito de Altar in a civil ceremony. Are you sure she married Ismael and not Modesto Jr.?

Re: Nogales Tellechea Clan

Posted: 31 Jan 2011 4:24PM GMT
Classification: Query
both names are familiar... Ismael would have been 18 in 1895 not likely to have a bunch of children and this puts Modesto in the running for the 1895 marriage to Rafaela Castro at 17 y who apparently had step children older than her and raised the youngest who was Benjamin Tellechea. Modesto is in the right age perhaps not sure there is a claim that he died relative young, does make sense, maybe it was Ismael who died young30 - 40 s, someone has the pictures... I have a bag full and cannot connect pictures with faces... of in this clan the plot always thickens... one item Roberto Abelardo Elias died 1970 according to the book Sonora Raises Extendidas by Pesquiera Pesquiera... family gossip in the 70s allegeded he was shot by a teen age son of Juana Tellechea ?, somewhere near Santa Cruz Sonora

Re: Nogales Tellechea Clan

Posted: 31 Jan 2011 6:14PM GMT
Classification: Query
The only shooting that I have heard of in the family was in 1948. I tend to think Rafaela Castro married Modesto Sr. (the elder siblings that would have been older than her came from Modesto Sr. Junior was already in southern California in the late 19th and early 20th century, he died in 1961). Jose Benjamin was Modesto Sr.s youngest son by my great, great-grandmother. Senior died in Cananea in1903 at age 58 (b. 5/1/1846 d. 5/2/1903). Several of Rafaela's children's births are recorded in Modesto Sr's family journal along with their marriage in 1895...sorry, he was good bit older than her. The births that I have attributable to Rafaela from Modesto Sr.'s journal are as follows:

Jose Juan Alfonso May 1895 baptized 10/11/1895 Santa Cruz, Sonora, Mx
Isidro January 21, 1898 baptized 12/13/1898 Santa Cruz, Sonora, Mx
Samuel Filem March 1900 baptized 9/18/1902 Santa Cruz, Sonora, Mx.
Daniel Abraham December 29,1901baptized 9/18/1902 Santa Cruz Sonora

I have seen records for your family online in Bisbee. There is a genealogical group through the county that posts marriage, birth, and death records. The families used to cross the border fairly frequently at the turn of the century and before statehood. You might find some useful information there.

Re: Nogales Tellechea Clan

Posted: 1 Feb 2011 1:39AM GMT
Classification: Query
I have to digest this... are you by any chance Anita Teyechea wife or daughter of Jaime Teyechea, I suspect my mom always had a crush on Jaime, my mom Herminia Plascencia Castro, 1922 - 1998. If I remember correctly Rafaela was born November 1882. You are close with the Tellechea Castro clan, Alfonso, Isidro married Marta a Scottish lady from Sahuaripa Sonora both were 19 years old she claimed her dad was killed by Yaquis during a robbery I accidently found a reference to this in Rutgers Univ Library New Brunswick NJ, Samuel, David Abraham know to us as el tio Famoso, Daniel the youngest and most simpatico, Celia ran her own business in Cananea unitl she was murdered in 1993 by armed robbers in her store, even as a child I remember crossing with no papers please, people just knew each other, will check Bisbee site... I do recall the 1948 family gossip on this shooting... what was the role of the Denogean clan in this affair?

Re: Nogales Tellechea Clan

Posted: 1 Feb 2011 1:47AM GMT
Classification: Query
Correction not Sahuaripa but Suaqui Sonora...

Re: Nogales Tellechea Clan

Posted: 1 Feb 2011 8:03AM GMT
Classification: Query
No I am not Anita Teyechea. I am the great-grand daughter of Amelia Teyechea. I just happen to have a copy of my great, great grandfather Modesto Sr.'s diary (Amelia's father). My great-grandmother Amelia was 13 when Modesto Sr. married Rafaela. Jose Juan Benjamin was her youngest brother and they along with Modesto Jr., Miguelito, and Maria Jesus were very close. The four youngest children still at home in 1895 when Rafaela Castro married Modesto Sr. were Amelia, Maria Jesus, Miguelito, and Jose Juan Benjamin. My great-grandmother Amelia along with her elder sister Juana and your grandmother Rafaela Castro raised her younger siblings after their mother died in 1893.

Jaimie, depending on which one was Jose Benjamin's son and grandson. I believe Anita died 5-7 years ago as did the younger Jaimie who was an activist in Nogales for clean water along the border an amazing advocate for the people. There are several repeats of family names, which can get confusing including Celia. For example, Jose Benjamin also had a daughter whom he named Amelia after my great-grandmother. Jose Benjamin's portion of the family remained in Arizona. My portion of the family (Amelia Teyechea Rosas Saldate) along with her brother Modesto Jr. went to Los Angeles, though there was much visiting back and forth. Several family members stayed in or near Santa Cruz, like La Bronca. I have quite a few old pictures too.

There were a number of attacks at the turn of the century near Santa Cruz and outlying areas. My great-grandmother Amelia's first husband (Rosas) was killed by one of Pancho Villa's men and an Apache at their Haciendado in 1904.

I would have to look up the name Donogean, it is familiar but I can't remember the details. Sorry, it was long before my time.

Re: Nogales Tellechea Clan

Posted: 1 Feb 2011 8:27AM GMT
Classification: Query
lost my reply Jaime Teyechea the sheriff of Santa Cruz County later FBI agent? Ray Denogean from Superior told me the latter, Ray's sister Cecilia Teyechea Denogean de Esquer recognized Arizona attorney, politcal activist and teacher died in Phoenix on 12/12/2010 eulogized by Terry Goddard and other notables... My aunt's name Celia Lucinda Magdalena Tellechea Castro... Amelia I think has a Denogean connection... this extends more and more... before I forget did you ever hear of a Danny Saurez his mother had a house on the border fence on the hill just west of dowtown... it is late but the internet is a new beginning to find ourselves

Re: Nogales Tellechea Clan

Posted: 1 Feb 2011 8:44AM GMT
Classification: Query
I am familiar with Cecelia Teyechea Denogean de Esquer, her papers are at the University of Arizona. Was not aware she had passed though...sorry to hear of that, she was an incredible woman! The Denogean connection is in the generation after my great-grandmother. We (Cecelia and I) share the same ancestors on the Teyechea side. Though I was always told that Modesto Sr.s father was named Miguel, not Modesto and he married a full-blooded Tarahumar woman (details can be found in Smithsonian Institute in his papers there, also sourced in the Handbook of North American Indians, Southwest, Volumes 9 & 10). He identified,spoke, and compiled the first Tarahumar dictionary of language as a Franciscan. He also left his ministry to marry an Indian.

I have never heard of Danny Suarez, sorry.

Re: Nogales Tellechea Clan

Posted: 1 Feb 2011 8:53AM GMT
Classification: Query
There are a number of inaccuracies in the eulogy for Cecelia Teyechea Denogean de Esquer. My great-aunt Isaura Teyechea Rosas is the 3rd Chicana to ever graduate from a California university, but it was UCLA not USC with a degree in English. (She was a life-long English teacher in So. Cal. and lover of great books.) However, her sister's name was Hortensia Teyechea Saldate, not Amelia, she was the youngest of three and she and her husband Edward Ware did work for the studios. My grandmother, the middle daughter of Amelia Teyechea Rosas Saldate was Maria Lillian.

Truthfully, I'm not sure why the author referenced my portion of the family (Amelia's daughters). I think Cecelia was just proud that she came from sa strong family of pioneers in various venues.
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