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Vaudry voyageurs

Barbara (View posts)
Posted: 31 May 2002 4:33AM GMT
Classification: Query
Hi,

I've been doing research on my husband's Vaudry ancestors and found that many of them were engages or voyageurs. I have a copy of a contract for a voyage between Montreal and Michilimackinac and have found Vaudrys in many of the forts of the Ouest such as Vincennes, Kaskaskia, Cahokia, Detroit, etc.

My husband's Vaudry connection is through the 1734 marriage of Joseph Francois Senet to Angelique Vaudry, daughter of Francois Vaudry and Marie Brouillet (another family active in the fur trade). My husband is a direct descendant of Nicolas Senet (Joseph Francois' father), a corporal in the French Army who arrived in Montreal about the 1680's and later became a royal notary in the Montreal area. The name changed to Snay in Michigan in the mid-1800's.

Francois Vaudry's parents were Jacques Vaudry and Jeanne Renaud. Their children were Marie married to Francois Senechal, 2nd Claude Crepin, 3rd Sylvain-Jacue Miguet dit La Trimouille; Jacques (engage Ouest) m. Marie-Francois Joly;
Jeanne m. Gabriel Perrin (engage Ouest); Louis (engage Ouest), Etienne (engage Ouest); Joseph (engage Ouest) m. Marie LePage one of the original habitants of Detroit.

I am interested in corresponding and exchanging information on this family. Hoping to hear from some Vaudry and Brouillet descendants!

Barbara

Re: Vaudry voyageurs

Darlynn (View posts)
Posted: 21 Jul 2002 7:20PM GMT
Classification: Query
Hi, Barbara:

In perusing this board I happened upon your message. Time constraints rarely permit me the luxury of replying to these posts, but your "Vaudry Voyageurs" title effectively piqued my interest and I am making the time to share and inquire!

My g-g-g-grandmother is Rosalie Vaudry, born April 7, 1839 in St. Boniface, Manitoba (the Fort Garry/Red River Settlement, better known today as the city of Winnipeg). Her father, Toussaint Vaudry, was born c. 1799, and is enumerated in the Red River (Manitoba) Census for the years 1829, 31, 32, 33, 35, 38, 40, & 43. Toussaint Vaudry married before 1819 - "according to the custom of the country" - Marie Anne Crebassa (b. July 1807; d. Mar 7, 1885), daughter of Fort Pembina (North Dakota territory) trader, clerk, and interpreter John Crebassa and an Ojibwa (Chippewa) woman named Suzanne 'Saulteaux.'

An interesting aside, after the "Riel Rebellion" of 1869-70, Toussaint Vaudry was "a victim of the vengeful troops of the Red River Expeditionary Force and was nearly beaten to death on January 4, 1871. Apparently some of the soldiers passed by his house and decided to proposition the women inside, after which Vaudry promptly kicked them out of his home. The same men later returned with reinforcements and attacked the Metis. Seven soldiers were implicated in the incident, with two - Patrick Momsey (or Morrisey) and Richard Wilson - brought up on charges and fined $40.00 each, plus $7.50 in court costs" (Peter J. Gagne, FCW-Gange French Canadians of the West, A Biographical Dictionary of French-Canadians and French Metis of the Western United States and Canada; Pawtucket, Rhode Island: Quintin Publications, c1999, p. 241).

No doubt fleeing the backlash from the above-mentioned "Metis Insurrection," nearly all of my Canadian-Metis ancestors settled in Leroy/St. Joseph (now Walhalla - i.e. "Valley of the Gods"), Pembina County, North Dakota, just across the Canadian border. Around the turn of the last century, there was a definite struggle to "fit inside the red or white box" so to speak - while I have relatives who belong to the Pembina/Turtle Mountain Chippewa in Belcourt, ND, there are also from the family branch "those who passed" as French (and assimilated into the dominant white culture) still living in North Dakota today, with little acknowledgement of their indigenous roots.

At any rate, you're probably bored to tears by now! Please bear with me: if you have any information concerning Toussaint Vaudry's parentage, I would be most interested. I have an unverified (and indeed, questionable) lead that my 4-g grandfather Toussaint Vaudry is the progeny of a Toussaint Vaudry born in 1767, who in turn is the son of yet another Toussaint Vaudry who married a Marie-Anne Bombardier on November 5, 1753. Since there are no birth or death dates for either of these folks, and according to my research this couple did have a child named Toussaint born November 2, 1880, baptized on the 3rd and laid to rest in St. Mary's (Winnipeg) on June 1, 1886, I believe this match is highly suspect!

Here's looking forward to your reply. Know that your time and attention are sincerely appreciated.

Respectfully,

Darlynn
=)

Re: Vaudry voyageurs

Barbara (View posts)
Posted: 5 Aug 2002 1:06AM GMT
Classification: Query
Darlynn,

Thank you for your fascinating message. I apologize for the delay in answering, but we just got back from our vacation.

I haven't had a chance to look for Touissant's parents yet, but I wanted to let you know that I had gotten your message and I will get back to you with anything I find.

By the way, have you looked at the Early Canadiana Online site? I found a lot of mentions of Touissant there. I envy you knowing so much about your ancestor. So far, all I have found are some vital records on my husband's ancestors, but I am really interested in knowing some of the stories.

I hope to write back sometime this week. Thanks again for your message.

Barbara

Re: Vaudry voyageurs

Posted: 7 Aug 2002 8:38PM GMT
Classification: Query
Darlynn,

Here is what I have found so far.

Touissant Vaudry baptized 1707-07-06 St. Francois de Sales, Ile Jesus, father Jacque Vaudry, mother Marie Francois Joly

This Touissant married Marie Anne Bombardier (father Andre, mother Marie Josephe Poudrette Lavigne) 1753-11-05.

Their son Toussaint was baptized 1767-11-13.

Unfortunately the PRDH records don't go past the late 1700's and don't show a marriage for this last Toussaint. So your Touissant could be this Touissant's grandchild or a nephew. You know how often the names are repeated in French-Canadian families.

Since the Vaudrys were a well-known voyageur family, perhaps the last Touissant had moved out of the Montreal area before his marriage. The PRDH did show marriages for two of his sisters, but he was not listed as a witness.

I'll keep looking and let you know if I find anything more. I'm looking at Vaudrys and Brouillets in VIncennes and other fur trading posts of the west. Perhaps I'll come across his name. There is a book I've been meaning to buy that has records of the French in the western forts. I can't think of the name right now. It's a two volume set, That might be helpful to you since it lists baptisms, marriages and deaths.

TTYL

Barbara

Re: Vaudry voyageurs

P Vaudry (View posts)
Posted: 22 Aug 2002 3:18AM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Vaudry
Regarding Toussaint, at the University of Toronto, Robarts Library they have micro fische of court cases going back to the late 18th century.
A Toussaint Vaudry was arrested in the Red River by Swiss mercenaries in 1803. ( he was with the Northwest Co. and involved in a battle with the Hudson Bay Company - two competitive fur trade interests). At the court case held in York (Toronto) he was interviewed by a lawyer named Baldwin. Vaudry talked of his 30 years in the Red River area. Very interesting.
I think he was of the Point aux Trembles Vaudrys (my family), I know he also had a son named Toussaint.
I'm also a direct descendent of Francois, his father jacques and jacques father Adrien .
I think all teenagers of the time did a stint in the fur trade before settling down.
Anyway I copied the Micro fische and have it somewhere, I'll have a look for it
- Canada

Re: Vaudry voyageurs

Barbara (View posts)
Posted: 25 Aug 2002 3:36AM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Vaudry, Brouillet, Senet
Thanks for the reply. I'd like to see Touissant's story when you find it.

Which one of Francois' children are you descended from? My husband is descended from Angelique through her marriage to Joseph Francois Senet. Joseph's father was Nicolas Senet, a corporal in the French army, then royal notary in Montreal, also a resident of Point Aux Trembles. I have been doing some research on the Brouillets since Francois was married to Marie Brouillet and find there are other connections between the Vaudrys and Brouillets.

My husband and I recently traveled to Vincennes, Indiana to look at Michel Brouillet's house, one of the few remaining log houses built in the French style. Jean-Baptiste Vaudry, Francois' nephew was in Vincennes also. They were guides and interpreters and were in the local militia. Are you familiar with his parents Joseph and Marie LePage? It's an interesting story which I would be happy to share if you don't know it already.

Barbara

Re: Vaudry voyageurs

P.Vaudry (View posts)
Posted: 27 Aug 2002 12:10AM GMT
Classification: Query

Hi Barb;

Francois Vaudry the son of Jacques and Jeanne Renault married Marie Brouillet (daughter of Michel and Marie Dubois) and had eleven children.

My descendent is Francois’s son Joseph, born in 1707. Josephs sister, Angilique was born in1713 and married Joseph Senet in 1734.

Francois had a brother and Sister – Jacques and Marguerite (Courtemanche)
There is an interesting history here. A John Carter was kidnapped after a French and Indian Raid on Deerfield, Massachusetts (Deerfield Raid) in 1704. It was Francois’s brother, Jacques, that paid John Carters ransom to the Abénaquis Indians and raised him. John Carter then married Jacques niece, Marie in 1718 who was the daughter of Jacques sister, Marguerite Courtemanche,.

A French and English Reference to the raid :
http://planete.qc.ca/histoire/villages/villages-141998-24022...
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~kathissite/history/...

On Toussaint, I have not found my copy of the court case yet. I have had it for twenty years, but I did find the lead I used to go into the micro fiche files. This is from an old book written in Quebec on notable french canadians in the west.


Vaudry,Toussaint 1 – Canadien-francais au service de la Cie du N.O. En 1803, it etait charge du poste de la riviere aux Morts, et l’annee suivante it etait guide sur la riviere Rouge. En 1812 , il avait la direction du fort de la riviere Tortue. Six ans plus tard, il fut un des temoins au process intente a sa compagnie pour la part qu’elle avait prise a la bataille de la Grenouillere (V. Bourassa, M.). Il declara alors qu’il avait vecu plus trente ans a la Riviere-Rouge, et avait vu les ruines des anciens fort francaise dans le pays.

Vaudry, Toussaint 2 – Un guides des fameux voyageurs Milton et Cheadle en 1862 etait un Toussaint “Voudrie), probablement un fils ou neveu du precedent.

The first Toussaint was definitely a “Cour du Bois” in the Red River area.

The second Toussaint must have been a grandson or Nephew. Milton and Cheadle wrote a book on their voyage. Many references on the internet.

There was a Toussaint Vaudry born in 1767 (Nov. 13) Terrebonne ( like Pointe aux Trembles – Montreal). His father was also Toussaint (son of Jacques and M.-Francoise Jolly) and his mother was M.-Anne Bombardier( daughter of Andre and Marie Poutre) This is the same Jacques who is the brother of Francois – my direct relative (above).

My reference is “Genelogie des Familles de Terrebonne published by Therien, Freres Limitee – 1930 . I photocopied the vaudry pages.
Note – Toussaints line does not continue in the book , which implies he left the community.

Re: Vaudry voyageurs

P.Vaudry (View posts)
Posted: 27 Aug 2002 2:09AM GMT
Classification: Query
Oops!

Forgot to answer one question... I have nothing on the Jean Baptist other then his dad Joseph Vaudry, Jacques and Jeanne' youngest son born in 1687, was married to Marguerite LePage and Francois's brother.
Doen't look like he returned to Quebec

Re: Vaudry voyageurs

Posted: 29 Aug 2002 2:03AM GMT
Classification: Query
Thanks for the information. I have some information to send you, but I haven't had time the last few days to get it together. I just wanted to let you know I saw your message. I'm happy to find a Vaudry of the same line as my husband's and I will try to send you the info this week.

I found a listing of Francois' brothers and sisters and was intrigued by the fact that all the brothers were "engages Ouest"and most of the sisters were married to "engages Ouest". While researching them I found their connection to Vincennes and other posts in the Illinois country. I only found out about Touissant from Darlynn's earlier post on this forum.

Your story about the Deerfield captive was very interesting, especially since my husband is also descended from a Deerfield captive; Elisabeth Price. Elisabeth was married to Andrew Stevens, an Indian, for only a few months at the time of the raid. He was killed along with other members of her family. Her mother was killed along the way to Montreal. Her brother made it to Montreal and her father was still alive in Deerfield. She stayed with Elizabeth LeMoyne in Montreal and married Jean Fourneau dit Brindamour. Their daughter married a St. Aubin and the descendants lived in Detroit. (more later).

I'll get back with you!

Barbara

Re: Vaudry voyageurs

P.Vaudry (View posts)
Posted: 2 Sep 2002 9:06PM GMT
Classification: Query

Hi Barb and Darlynn;

I found the Toussaint Court papers and posted them below. This could well be the same Toussaint born in 1767 in Terrebonne.

To put the following in perspective, please view this link: http://www.michif.bc.ca/grant.htm


Trail of Paul Brown, Francois Boucher for the murder of Robert Semple
Report of Trials in the courts of Canada York 1818
MFM F A525 Pages 132-134

Excerpt of Toussaint Vaudry examination by Mr Sherwood and translated by Baldwin.


Vaudry: I know the Indian territory well. I have resided in it upwards to 30 years. I know that the Northwest Company were trading there when I first went, and have continued to do so as long as I have been there. They traded there before I went , but I cannot say for how long. On the Red River and Ossiniboine, I know that they traded long before the Hudson Bay people.

The Hudson Bay traders have not been long in the habit of trading on those rivers; only a few years. I know by hearsay , and only in that way, of the Proclamation of Mr. Miles MacDonnell.

I know that in the year 1814, a quantity of pemmican and dried meats was seized from the Northwest Company’s post on the river La Soirie, because I was there at the time.

It was taken by the Hudson Bay people out of a large hongard (?) (store) and amounted to full four hundred bags; there must have been between four and five hundred bags, perhaps full five hundred, taken away.

Mr. Spencer came to the fort, and knocked at the gate, asking to be admitted into the fort in the name of the King, and that all the pemmican , dried meat, and grease, should be given to him. Mr. Pritchard, who had charge of the post, refused to admit him, and took me as a witness, that he did so.

He asked Mr. Spencer to wait a little while , which he did, and shortly Mr. Pritchard put a small billet through the pickets to Mr. Spencer, who took it, read it (witness being here asked if he knew the contents of the note, replied , I do not) and answered “that will not satisfy me”, and again demanded to be let in, which Mr. Prichard again refused. Upon this refusal, the pickets were cut down with an axe , and the party headed by Mr. Spencer, entered.

They asked where the provisions were kept, and Mr. Pritchard told them they might find them. They then went to the store, of which they broke off the lock, for it was locked up, and they opened it by drawing the staples and breaking the locks; they took procession of the provisions, consisting of upwards of four hundred bags of pemmican, a number of barrels of grease, and a quantity of dried meat, which afterwards was all taken away by them.

I was then in the service of the Northwest Company , and at the fort on River la Sourie at the time, and saw it taken away to the Hudson Bay fort on the other side of the river.

Baldwin: How long have you lived in the Indian territory?
Vaudry: I have lived there upwards of thirty years.

Baldwin: Did you ever see any vestiges of remains of old French forts in that country?
Vaudry: I have seen several very old ones

Baldwin: Did you know that they were frequented by the traders in the time of the French government?
Vaudry: I have heard a very old man , who lives there, say that the red River country was traded to in the time of the French government .

Baldwin: Do you know of similar remains on the Swan River , which is farther North then the Red River?
Vaudry: I do not . I never was at the Swan River

Baldwin: Do you know which is the most Northern fort which the French traders had?
Vaudry: I cannot say anything about it for I have lived , the whole thirty years I have been in the Indian territory , in the Red River country . I was never out of it, but to come below. I never went higher up then the Red River.

Baldwin: And when you first went to Red River, the Hudson Bay people did not trade there, but the Northwest Company did?
Vaudry: Yes, the Northwest Company people did frequent there, but the Hudson Bay people have only come these few years back.

Cross examination , conducted by Solicitor General :

Vaudry: I do not know if Cuthbert Grant can read, or if the half breeds generally do read. I know one half breed who can read.
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