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James Moses - from Wales to America

James Moses - from Wales to America

Posted: 11 Sep 2009 6:23PM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Moses
I am trying to trace a member of my family, my great-great grandfather James Moses (b. 1844) who had a brief stint in the United States around 1870-1.

I know that his eldest son James was born in Wales in 1869, while his second son Moses Moses was born in "Hyde Park, USA" in 1871 (sadly I've yet to figure out which Hyde Park this is), but by 1875 they were all back in Wales for the birth of his third child.

This would put James Moses' arrival in the United States between late 1869 and early 1871. He would have most likely traveled with his son James and his wife (who may have been Rachel, born 1849).

Any help that could be provided in terms of dates, names of ships, fellow travelers (if he did indeed travel with a Rachel Moses it would finally confirm the identity of his first wife which has been a mystery for some time) and whatever else records could offer would be greatly appreciated.

- Jon Evans

Re: James Moses - from Wales to America

Posted: 15 Sep 2009 8:14PM GMT
Classification: Query
There is only one James Moses from Wales on the 1870 census, a miner, 25, no family listed, in Scranton Pennsylvania, Luzerne county. This county borders Lackawanna county where a Hyde Park is located, and there are many Moses surnames noted in the cemetery there. The census was taken June 1870. The Castle Garden data base shows a James Moses 26, arrived 2/19/1870, with wife Anna 24, and infant Eleanor. Another James Moses arrived alone on Aug 27, 1870, but that makes it after the census was taken. I did not find any young James Moses arriving 1870-1875. I don't know if this helps any, very hard to pinpoint any details when they were only in the USA a short time.

Re: James Moses - from Wales to America

Posted: 15 Sep 2009 8:42PM GMT
Classification: Query
Thank you so much for this. His very limited time there does make it rather difficult.

I stumbled across the census record for the James Moses in 1870 and the age is certainly about right but it was an incredibly common name in Wales at the time (there are around 5 or 6 James Moses' in my family alone that I can think of).

There is a good chance the the post-census James Moses is the one I'm looking for. All I really know for sure is that a) he wasn't around for the 1871 UK census, and neither is his son and b) he had another son, Moses Moses, born in "Hyde Park, America" in 1871 (according to the 1881 UK census upon their return home).

There is also the rumour of an illegitimate child (or children) circling around this generation of the family so the possibility remains that the mother of the young James Moses (1869) was not married to his father (I certainly can't find any British records pertaining to it, and have been going on something I was told by a distant relative who heard the name Rachel Morgan being thrown around) and did not come with him - only joining the family upon his return to Wales.

This also means that Moses Moses of Hyde Park could have an entirely different mother and I get the impression that there would be no birth records for him around that time in that area.

Perhaps this family mystery is meant to remain that way.

Nevertheless, thank you so much for your help on this

- Jon

Re: James Moses - from Wales to America

Posted: 16 Sep 2009 9:53AM GMT
Classification: Query
The James Moses in the 1870 census is not to be found in any census after that. So far there are no birth records available on-line, but that could change in the future. The only other option I can think of is Family History Centers, which you can find locations for on FamilySearch.org. They should be able to order microfilm of birth records for a small fee. There were a grat many people from Wales in Pennsylvania in that era. I suspect that the Hyde Park in PA is a likely birthplace for your relative.

Re: James Moses - from Wales to America

Posted: 16 Sep 2009 2:54PM GMT
Classification: Query
Thank you very much for the advice. I think at this point my best bet is to contact a Family History Center, as you say. I've also found contact details for the county courthouse in that covers Scranton (although it was part of a different county at the time, I'm sure I'll get there in the end).

Thanks to everyone who has been a great help with this!

- Jon
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