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Loyalist land grants

Posted: 18 May 2002 6:44PM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Esselstyn
Does anyone know if the child of a loyalist has to live in Canada to receive land? John Essesltyn received land for his first two sons. The second son bought the others land.

Re: Loyalist land grants

Posted: 30 May 2002 6:41PM GMT
Classification: Query
Edited: 18 Sep 2002 5:06PM GMT
Surnames: Stymeist
In Sept 2002 I received my UEL Descendant Certificate. On it, it states:

"N.B. Those Loyalists who have adhered to the Unity of the Empire, and joined the Royal Standard before the Treaty of Separation in the year 1783, and all their children, and their Descendants by either sex, are to be distinguished by the following Capitals affixed to their names: "U.E."

Also:
I am the first "Stymiest" descendant to prove his lineage from Benjamin Stymiest II, UE, a United Empire Loyalist who arrived in New Brunswick in 1783 after the Revolutionary War. I am the 4th. Great-grandson of Benjamin Stymiest II, UE who received a Land Grant in Bay du Vin, NB; as well as, his SON, Benjamin Stymiest III, UE ( my 3rd. Great-grandfather) who received Land Grants in Bay du Vin, NB and Tabusintac, NB.

You may also want to check out the following titles:
(1)Moore,Christopher, "The Loyalists:Revolutiion, Exile, Settlement" pub. by McClelland & Stewart.
(2) Stymiest, Carl, "Down By The Old Mill Stream: A Stymiest Chronicle", pub. by Trafford Publishing.
(3) Wright, Esther Clark, "New Brunswick Loyalists"
(4) MacDonald, M. A., "Rebels & Royalists", pub. by New Island Press.
(5) Rees, Ronald, "Land of the Loyalists", pub by Nimbus Publishing.

United Empire Loyalists' Assoc. certificate

Thomas A. Murray (View posts)
Posted: 11 Jun 2002 12:21PM GMT
Classification: Query
Edited: 18 Sep 2002 5:09PM GMT
Surnames: Stymeist, Murray, Robertson, Hierlihy, Price, Taylor, Anderson, Loggie
Congratulation, Carl, on receiving your Regular Member's certificate. I am surprised that you are the first Stymiest to do so. One would think that the Tabusintac families would be rife with members. Of course, there are difficulties. Duncan Robertson, as a regular with the 42nd, might not be considered a Loyalist in the strict sense. Because of the difficulty of proving John Murray to be the son of John Murray of North Bedeque, PEI, that line might be hard to prove. I have never attempted it, getting my certificate through my mother's family. The Hierlihys shouldn't have much problem. Neither should the Prices.
I suppose with Charlotte Taylor, the Andersons, Loggies, etc. probably being pre-Loyalists (although not in the Maugerville sense) there would be problems. At least for the Stymiests, you have laid that all-important ground work that should make any other of Benjamin's descendants applications relatively easy.

Thomas

Re: United Empire Loyalists' Assoc. certificate

Carl W. Stymiest (View posts)
Posted: 12 Jun 2002 4:39AM GMT
Classification: Query
Edited: 18 Sep 2002 5:11PM GMT
Surnames: Steynmets
Tom,
Thanks for the congrat's message on my UEL certificate. Yes, I also wondered why someone from Taboo had never done this to date.
I have also rec'd the America's First Families Certificate as I am also a descendant of Casparus Steynmets II who immigrated to America from Holland in 1631. It was quite a job proving this, but after 42 yrs of research, I was successful. Benjamin II & III (of New Brunswick) were the grandson and great grandson of Caspar.

Re: United Empire Loyalists' Assoc. certificate

Thomas A. Murray (View posts)
Posted: 12 Jun 2002 1:46PM GMT
Classification: Query
Edited: 18 Sep 2002 5:13PM GMT
Surnames: Budd, Browne, Purdy, Strang, Price, Robertson, Urquhart, Taylor, Stymeist
I can imagine that the first colonial generations were extremely difficult. I have been trying to gather information on John Budd of Rye, Westchester Co., NY (Connecticut at the time.) Supposedly, he either married or was the son of Catherine Browne, daughter of either Hackiliah Browne of Rye, or Sir Anthony Browne, Viscount Montague. I am limited to what I find on the internet now, and it is a mess of contradictions. The line continues from John Budd through the Purdys, Strangs (to PEI) through the Prices (to Tabusintac or Priceville) the Robertsons. Since few bother to cite and transcribe documentation, proof and evaluation is very difficult.
One of the offices of your publisher of the Stymiest book is in this town, so I've ordered a copy, and look forward to examining it with great interest. While there have been various manuscripts (Urquharts, Robertsons, etc.) and web sites (a rather nice one on Charlotte Taylor), I sense that your work might be the first really serious one on Tabusintac families. I do not believe I am, myself, descended; but the Stymiests were close. For example, my grandfather's second wife's sister married a Stymiest. It will be nice to have something reliable for a change.

Thomas

Re: United Empire Loyalists' Assoc. certificate

Carl W. Stymiest (View posts)
Posted: 12 Jun 2002 4:13PM GMT
Classification: Query
Edited: 18 Sep 2002 5:14PM GMT
Tom,
Yes, the colonial research was difficult, but don't give-up! Once you've found the right connection, you'll be "off and running." When I visited the European Archives, I found their records to be "unbelievable" to say the least.

By the way, where do you hail from these days?? I will be in Tabusintac late summer as I plan an 8 week trip to the Maritimes to visit relatives and family.

Also, if you do find any inconsistencies in my work, please notify me with corrections; it is so easy to connect the wrong families when you're dealing with over 50,000 ancestors & descendants.

Carl Stymiest, U.E.

Re: United Empire Loyalists' Assoc. certificate

Thomas A. Murray (View posts)
Posted: 12 Jun 2002 10:10PM GMT
Classification: Query
Edited: 18 Sep 2002 5:16PM GMT
Surnames: Urquhart, Wetmore, Flewelling
I believe I am across the Straits from you, on Vancouver Island. What really bothers me is that I became interested in genealogy after leaving NB. When I was in High School in Fredericton, I knew people like Ms. Hill at the Parliamentary Library, people in the museum, and had a cousin in the PANB. A seriously missed opportunity, not to mention the chance just to ask questions. I have been in Tabusintac two or three times briefly, and am aware of the Homecoming. I assume that's part of the purpose of your trip. Should be intriguing.
We do have a common ancestors in the Rev. John Urquhart's family. I believe you are also connected with the Wetmores, which, in turn, have some association with branches of my mother's family, the Flewellings.
I'll keep an eye out for any questionable bits, although I suspect that your findings will be far more accurate than most.

Thomas

Re: United Empire Loyalists' Assoc. certificate

Posted: 23 Feb 2003 6:51AM GMT
Classification: Query
Edited: 23 Apr 2006 3:40AM GMT
Surnames: Morgan, Orser, Vallillee, Skuce
That's great Carl -Congratulations! I am embarking on the same quest. My John Morgan Sr. and John Morgan Jr. (settled in Sunbury county and Carleton County New Brunswick) were Loyalists and I have a Memorial Land Petition stating that and can prove my descent but don't know which state he is from. My Orsers are also Loyalists from Tarrytown, Westchester N.Y. (dutch). How do I go about getting a certificate too?

Re: United Empire Loyalists' Assoc. certificate

Thomas A. Murray (View posts)
Posted: 23 Feb 2003 5:02PM GMT
Classification: Query
Hi Barbara,
For some reason, your message to Carl came to me.
There are two things to beginning to get a UELA certificate. First, join a local branch of the United Empire Loyalists' Association of Canada. This depends on where you live. If you are in Canada, you may want to determine if there is a branch near you. If there is not, or if you live outside of Canada, you may want to join one of the branches in New Brunswick. There is Fredericton Branch and New Brunswick Branch in Saint John.
The second thing is to gather documentation. Your birth certificate, parents' birth certificates, death records, baptismal records, wills, census records, land transactions, etc. You will need to prove your ancestor is a Loyalist, and each generation of descent. Consulting with the Branch Genealogist, you may well find that someone else has also proved their descent from the same person. Their documentation may save you a few steps. If you have problems, I might be able to advise you.

Thomas

Re: United Empire Loyalists' Assoc. certificate

Posted: 23 Feb 2003 6:22PM GMT
Classification: Query
Edited: 23 Apr 2006 3:40AM GMT
Surnames: Morgan, Orser, Skuce, Vallillee
Thanks for that info Thomas.
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