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Thomas/Collins/Caudill

Beth (View posts)
Posted: 19 Mar 2003 4:04AM GMT
Classification: Query
Edited: 15 Jan 2009 4:03PM GMT
Surnames: Thomas, Caudill, Collins
I know very little of my paternal side of the family. My father left us when I was an infant and I would like to work on this side of my family tree. My father and his parents have all passed and I don't have much to work with. I do have my grandfathers obituary which gives me a little groundwork.

My grandfather was Carl Thomas, born June 1, 1909 in Knott County to Robert and Rosa (Collins) Thomas. He married Dalma Caudill. According to his obit, my grandfather had 3 brothers living in Whitesburg at the time of his death in February of 1970. They were Watson, Linville and Ellis Thomas. He also had 7 sisters, Mrs. Ora Mason, Mrs. Oma Kiser and Mrs. Vernie Niece, all of Whitesburg, Mrs. Sabrina Lucas, and Mrs. Bobby Jean Lucas both of Detroit Michigan and Mrs. Mattie Taylor and Mrs. Esta Mae Crow both of Tiffin, Ohio. I remember attending many funerals in my youth in Whitesburg Kentucky but can't remember names. We always went to my great grandparents house afterwards but they were always just called Big Mom & big Pop so I'm not sure whether they were my grandmothers parents or my grandfathers parents. I do remember my Grandmother Dalma Caudill Thomas had several siblings and all of their first names began with the letter D. The only ones I remember are Dorothy, Delmer, Della, and Dainy and my grandmother Dalma. If any one can help me out, please email me!

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Edward Smythe (View posts)
Posted: 22 Mar 2003 7:36PM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Thomas/Collins/Caudill
There was a Thomas family in Letcher county during 1800's. I believe the history of this family has been published by the Letcher county Historical Society. Are you aware of this and is this your family? I looked at info I had and did not see the first names you mentioned but this doesn't mean that it isn't the same family. It is very interesting family that has clear connections to the Cherokee.

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Ed myhte (View posts)
Posted: 23 Mar 2003 7:41PM GMT
Classification: Query
Part of Thomas Legacy as reported in Letcher Co. Nerwsletter of March 1999. James E Thomas marred Lucy Proctor (Bearpaw) in Granville N. C. about 1815. They lived among the Ashe county Cherokee during the early years of their marriage. According to family Histories of letcher Co they had 10 children.

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Posted: 24 Mar 2003 3:53AM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Thomas
Thanks so much for this information! I sent for a lookup and James Thomas and Lucy Thomas ARE on the Cherokee Rolls! Where can I get the info you found?

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Ed Smythe (View posts)
Posted: 24 Mar 2003 5:56PM GMT
Classification: Query
I believe that the Letcher county historical Sociaty put out the various family histories in which the Thomas information came from. Try getting hold of them on internet. Let me know if you have trouble.
Also, there was another family closely connected to Thomas family who went along in the 'Trail of tears'. I'll look this up.

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Edward Smythe (View posts)
Posted: 24 Mar 2003 9:01PM GMT
Classification: Query
Children of James and Lucy Thomas. From Thomas family legacy reported in Letcher Co. Newsletter of march 1999.
1. Catherine (1820) she married Thomas Collins. She is buried on ridge that separates the Rockhouse water shed from that of Colley.
2. Greenberry (1823) who married Celthany Sexton.
3. Lucy (1825)
4. Pense (1826)
5. Mary Ann Harret Susan (1828), Her Cherokee name was "Oniska". She married David Tyree Jr.
6. James Edward (1830), he married Mary Madden.
7. Dicy Jane 1831) She married Riley Sexton.
8. Solomon (1832), She married Ulsey Adams
9. William (1834)
10. Nancy (1836) probably married Finley Collins.
A James Edward, Sr. accompanied his family on the trail of tears. and died in West Tennessee or Arkansas. Lucy knew her father-in-law, Merchant Thomas, hd aleady settled in Letcher Co. Somehow she managed to escape the soldiers and bring her children to letcher county, to be raised as "White Indians" (her own words) several other family members appear on the dawes List, indicating that they survived tha trail of Tears and settled in Oklahoma or Arkansas.
Hope this is helpful. It is sad that so many families who have Cherokee ancestry do not want to admit it. Some claim that there is little if any native American Ancestry in Eastern Kentuckians. They say there is no genealogical evidence of this and that these stories are for the most part just myths. They refuse to take into account the fact that many eastern Kentuckians are born with the Mongolian spot on their lower backs. How do I know this? My father was a local Doctor there and delivered thousands of babies. Among these a significant percentage dad the spots, This flies in the face of what these people unfortunately deny.
Before there was a "Trail of Tears" there was a "Trail of Blood" in the 1750's, when the Iroquois ruthlessly drove the Cherokee out of Eastern Kentucky and into North Carolina and East Tennessee. Many of the survivors of this war assimilated, taking Whiteman names, learning English, and living in cabins. Many of these people made their way back to eastern Kentucky in the late 1700's and early 1800's. We're a forgotten people. No one wants to admit we exist, not even the Cherokee tribe.

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Dolly Kovatch (View posts)
Posted: 30 Sep 2003 4:39PM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Proctor, Thomas, Tyree, Collins, Lumley
My gggrandmother was Sarah Tyree, daughter of Mary Ann Thomas and David Tyree, Jr. Sarah married Carter Collins. I have a pic of Sarah. Sarah and Carter are in the 1900 census in Douglas Co. Kansas, my ggrandfather was their son, Frederic. I've recently been able to solve family mysteries regarding this side of my family. My grandfather would never let my mother and her siblings have anything to do with Indians when they lived in Canada. He always had negative comments about them. Now we know that he was of Cherokee descent and possibly went through name calling etc. as he was growing up. His mother's side of the family more or less disowned her because she married and Indian. After his mother died (when he was 11) he ran away from home and never told anyone about his father and never returned to his family. My mother is now 80 years old and I would like to see if I can get her enrolled in the Cherokee Nation. She was just thrilled to learn that she was part Cherokee. We always suspected because of physical appearance, but never had proof before. Does anyone have an application number for the Dawes Rolls relating to anyone in this family that I could use to send to NARA for a copy of the application? Also, what is the "Mongolian Spot" ?

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JO ELLA TAYLOR STURGILL (View posts)
Posted: 7 Mar 2004 7:12PM GMT
Classification: Query
BETH, ARE YOU MARY JO'S DAUGHTER? I'M JO ELLA YOUR AUNT MATTIE 'S DAUGHTER.... PLEASE EMAIL ME AND LET ME KNOW. I WOULD LOVE TO HEARD FROM YOU????

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Posted: 20 Mar 2004 7:49AM GMT
Classification: Query
HI: is this the same thomas collins that was married to ruhusary Radford. I think that it is. Really would like to know. Thank You Helen Kentuckyblue51@hotmail.com

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Rebecca Parker (View posts)
Posted: 3 Feb 2005 5:12PM GMT
Classification: Query
Hello, Beth- I am your first cousin, Rebecca and your Aunt Cleta's daughter. I remember when you & your sister came to Phoenix to visit. I can fill in some of the blanks for you if you'd like. Hope all is well with you.

And to Joella, she is Jack's daughter. Patricia is Mary Jo's daughter. She lives in Phoenix also and is doing well. Hope you & your family are too.
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