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Foster, Sims 1780s-1850s

Foster, Sims 1780s-1850s

DA Harding (View posts)
Posted: 14 Mar 2006 5:25AM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Foster, Sims
Samuel Foster married Anne Sims 27 Aug 1801, Waterborough per Gagetown Anglican Marriages 1786 - 1899
Does anyone know the ancestry of these two people?
Does anyone know where they were prior to Waterborough, prior to New Brunswick?

Re: Foster, Sims 1780s-1850s

Thomas A. Murray (View posts)
Posted: 15 Mar 2006 6:19AM GMT
Classification: Query
I suspect, but it is only a suspicion, that Samuel Foster was a s/o Josiah Foster. My notes are:

3. JOSIAH FOSTER b. Elizabeth, New Jersey 11JUN1758 (this may be a baptism as he is given as b. in St. John’s Church), d. Waterborough Parish, Queens Co., NB 9NOV1833 (actually probate date of his will, probably d. mid OCT1833), m. SARAH PARKS (b. Kingswood Twp., Hunterdon Co., NJ ca. 1763, age 76 years in 1839 in Queens Co., NB, living in 1843), d/o Nathaniel and Elizabeth (Parlee) Parks.
Susan Wyllie (New Brunswick GenForum, # 2682, 11APR2004) notes from, Early New Brunswick Probate Records, by R. Wallace Hale, p. 157:

Josiah FOSTER
Grand Lake, parish of Waterborough, Queens Co. Will dated Oct. 11, 1833, proved Nov. 9, 1833
Son John FOSTER the upper lot of land and half the grist mill, he to support his mother during his life. Daughter Frances WOOD, the sawmill lot and the sawmill and the other half of the grist mill. Son Stephen FOSTER, the lot of land he has in his possession. Son Joshua FOSTER, 15 shillings. The heirs of my son William, 5 shillings, if demanded. Wife Sarah FOSTER "all my Chattle and Household property". John FOSTER and Doctor James WOOD, executors.
Witnesses: John ARMSTRONG, William MOWAT, David McINTOSH
INVENTORY: Dated Oct. 29, 1833, valued real and personal estate at 1,227 pounds by John ARMSTRONG and David McINTOSH.

An intriguing element of this record is that Josiah is shown to have had a son, William, who lived to marry and have children, was dead by 1833, and would have appeared to have left the province. This is consistent with William Foster in Lincoln Co., Upper Canada as late as 1823, when two of his children were baptized there, and who was dead by 1834, when his wife re-married. The IGI has the date of probate as the date Josiah m. Mill ‘Grove’ (Mill Cove), Queens Co., NB 9NOV1833 Sarah ‘Parke’, which demonstrates the reliability of that source.
Josiah had been granted (when NB was part of Nova Scotia) 300 acres on the ‘St. John’ River in Sunbury Co. 15JUL1784; which was re-granted 24FEB1785. The reference to Sunbury Co. may be misleading, as the county boundaries were revised, and the land could now lie in Queens Co. See for example a similar re-grant for his brother, Joshua, where Joshua’s land lies on the Long Reach, which is pretty much contained within Kings Co., but was (in 1784) in Sunbury Co.
Josiah, with his brothers, Lawrence. Joshua, Elias and sister, Margaret, were each granted 174 acres in Greenwich Parish, Kings Co., NB 30MAY1798. This odd size of the lots suggests the escheatment and the re-subdivision of the land in that locality by which the original boundaries of Thomas Flewelling’s original purchase were slightly altered. Or, more likely, the granting of lots in the range behind that fronting the Long Reach. They may not have taken up this land; but it does show an association with Greenwich Parish which, considering petitions with the Flewelling’s and Brittain’s of Greenwich Parish, indicates a familiarity with those families.
Josiah petitioned for land in Kings Co., NB in 1789. Also, with his father, brothers and apparently sister in 1790. In 1811, in Queens Co., NB, he petitions with William Ellis and James Brittain. Since James Brittain appears with Josiah and, apparently, Josiah’s son, Joshua, in similar petitions in 1820 and 1824, there is a probability of a relationship. James Brittain is probably associated with the Oak Point, Kings Co., NB Brittain’s; particularly connected to the family of Caleb Flewelling. With Josiah Foster and William Peters, a Joshua Foster petitioned for land in Queens Co. in 1815. This was apparently granted as a grant to Josiah Foster in Waterborough Parish was made 11DEC1815. Whether the Joshua in this case was Josiah’s son or brother is not clear. William Peters also figures with Joshua and Josiah, as well as James Brittain in a similar petition (1820) with a Charlotte Peters, and the Peter’s are also associated with the Oak Point Flewelling’s. Josiah and Sarah Foster petitioned for land with Samuel Estabrooks in Carleton Co., NB in 1823. If they received it, it is unlikely that they moved there; but this may be the basis for such an assumption. The Estabrooks are connected with pre-Loyalists in Sunbury Co., and are later found in York and Carleton Counties.
Josiah and Sarah appear to have married shortly before 1783, as her 1838 petition says she came to NB with her husband.

“Josiah was a Corporal in the 2nd New Jersey Volunteers, came to New Brunswick with his regiment on the Duke of Richmond bound for the River Saint John. He received a grant of land above Fredericton, only to have it escheated. Josiah married Sarah Park and had nine children so states her petition for assistance in 1839, this was a pension given to 'Old soldiers and widows of the soldiers of the Revolutionary War'. (RS566I2/1 1839)”

Josiah was a Corporal in the 2nd New Jersey Volunteers, came to New Brunswick with his regiment on the ‘Duke of Richmond’ bound for the River Saint John. He received a grant of land above Fredericton, only to have it escheated. Josiah married Sarah Park and had nine children so states her petition for assistance in 1839, this was a pension given to 'Old soldiers and widows of the soldiers of the Revolutionary War'. (RS566 12/1 1839) Josiah later received three lots of land on the Grand Lake, very near to where some of the Parke family settled. This property had a nice stream running through it, so Josiah built the firs saw mill in the area and the village became known as 'Mill Cove'. The saw mill later burned and then Josiah built a grist mill on the same site. Josiah and Sarah's family scattered and the property was sold, the will probate only lists five children. Some may not be living at that time.

Josiah in muster list of 2nd Battalion, New Jersey Volunteers, 14JUL1784 at:
http://www.royalprovincial.com/genealogy/settle/lnd2njv.shtm...
Also listed: Joseph Parks and Nathaniel Parks. Also, Josiah in muster list of Capt. John Barberie’s Company of the 3rd Battalion of the NJV, 24FEB-24APR1781, as a corporal at:
http://www.royalprovincial.com/military/musters/3njv/njvbarb...
According to one of Sarah’s petitions for widow’s benefits, he served for seven years.
Sarah owned Lots 3, 4 and 5 in Mill Cove, Waterborough Parish, Queens Co., NB. Her petition for relief as the widow of a Revolutionary soldier in 1838 is found at:
http://archives.gnb.ca/Documents/GovRecs/OldSoldiers/RS24/18...
and lists relative to later disbursements give Josiah’s widow as age 74 in 1838 (b. ca. 1764), 76 in 1839 (b. ca. 1763), 77 in 1840 (b. ca. 1763) and 76 in 1842 (b. ca. 1766); therefore b. ca. 1763; therefore old enough to have had a son born roughly 1785. The original petition is said (by another transcription which I have amended from the original) to be headed or labelled:

Petition of Sarah Foster, widow of the late Josiah Foster who ???? with Revolutionary War pray my for Legislation aid. Discharge and certificate of character enclosed. Jan. 17, 1838.

and the body reads:

To His Excellency Major General, Sir John Harvey RCH and CB Lieutenant Governor and Commander in Chief of the Province of New Brunswick & &
To the Hon’ble President and Members of Her Majesties Legislative Council and the Hon’ble The Speaker and Members of the House of Assembly.
Humbly herewith,
That your Petitioner is the widow of Corporal Josiah Foster who served for the term of Seven Years in the 2 Batt NJ Volunteers during the American Rebellion as by reference to the annexed discharge will more fully appear - That your Petitioner came to this Province with her late husband with the Loyalists, that she had reared a Family of nine children, that she is now upwards of seventy four years of age and is living on the affectionate bounty of one of her Sons - she therefore humbly trusts that the Liberality of the Legislature will be extended to her that may be afforded to persons in her situation and as in duty bound will ever pray.

her
Sarah X Foster
mark
I hereby Certify that my Mother has resided with me since the death of my late Father and believe the facts stated in the above petition to be correct John Foster

The 1839 list of beneficiaries, including Sarah, is at:
http://archives.gnb.ca/Documents/GovRecs/OldSoldiers/RS566/I...
I assume, below, that Samuel Foster was one of their children. One which I have not so included was James Foster who was granted 200 acres in Wickham Parish, Queens Co., NB 10DEC1828. The size of the grant suggests someone recently married.
There were more children than listed below as Sarah, in a petition of 1838 declared she raised nine children.
children:
31. SAMUEL FOSTER m. 27AUG1801 ANNE SIMS. Samuel Foster and Anne Sims of Waterborough Parish, Queens Co., NB were married probably in Gagetown Anglican Church. See:
http://www.rootsweb.com/~nbqueens/gage-ang-m.htm
It is assumed here, because of the time and location, that Samuel was Josiah’s son. This assumption may not be correct. A Samuel Foster petitioned for land in Queens Co. with Patrick O’Hara in 1804; and alone in 1818. Other petitions were in 1822 in Kings Co. and in 1857 in Kings Co. The 1822 petition seems to have been granted, resulting in 200 acres in Sussex Parish granted to Samuel Foster 18OCT1822. In 1868, in Carleton Co., Samuel Foster with: Jerusha Foster, John B. Foster, Maria Foster, Maude Foster and Sarah Foster petitioned for land.

Josiah Foster was most likely a s/o:

Ebenezer Foster (s/o Stephen and Martha (Van Galen) Foster) b. ca. 1731 (or before), d. Kings Co., NB 10DEC1787 (or 1788), m. Essex Co., NJ 24AUG1750 Mary Beach (b. ca. 1729.)
At:
http://www.barney.org/family/wga20.html#I3278

Ebenezer was of Dutch descent, born in the State of Connecticut. He was a Loyalist, and obtained land on an island in the Long Reach called the 'Isle of Pines'. This later became known as Foster's Island.

Property in Middlesex Co., New Jersey confiscated 1MAY1787. See:
http://www.royalprovincial.com/genealogy/confiscations/nj/co...
Made a claim, probably page 754 of Fraser’s 1903 report.
Probably from Studholme’s report:

St. John’s River, June 30th, 1783.
To Major Studholme, Commandant at Fort Howe, &c.
SIR:-Agreeable to your instructions on the 15th Inst., we proceeded up the River St. Johns on the 24th, and have endeavored in the most accurate manner to collect the best information that was possible respecting the titles, claims, characters, principles and deserts of those people settled on the lands commonly known by the appellation of Amesbury tract, the townships of Gage, Burton, Sunbury, Newtown, and the lands formerly granted to one McNutt, and after full examination report as follows:
[Then follow reports on the various settlers, those given below being of special interest in this connection.]
5. Stephen Dow, has a wife; is settled on Musquash Island (Township of Gage,) has no claim but possession. Has built a log house and cleared about 3 acres of land. Came from Passamaquadde about 4 years past and says he was drove off by the rebels.
19. Daniel Rolf an aged man, has a wife and one child. Came on last spring from Passamaquoddie. He came on to this river about 4 years past and has cleared 1 ½ acres of land.
20. Jeremiah Frost has a wife and four children. Purchased the improvements of William Curtis. Has a log house and about 12 acres of land cleared. Came from Passamaquoddie.
24. Israel Kinney has a log house and framed barn, and about 15 acres of cleared land, which as chiefly done by the French and Indians. Has been on about 15 years and was a committee man.
The foregoing are all the persons that are settled on the lands at Amesbury and Gagetown and all that we could find that have the least reasonable pretence of claim. Those that we thought worthy of any particular favor for their loyalty, attachment or any services to the government we have properly noticed and refer the whole to the determination of the authority proper to decide.
The returns of Burton, Sunbury, Newtown and McNutts shall be handed you as soon as compleat.
We have the honour to be &c.
EBENEZER FOSTER,
FYLER DIBBLEE,
JAMES WHITE,
GERVICE SAY.

This was in the Right Rev. W. O. Raymond’s, The Old Settlers of Passmaquody, ‘St. Croix Courier’, St. Stephen, NB, 1MAR1894, and reproduced at:
http://members.shaw.ca/caren.secord/locations/NewBrunswick/G...
which continues with:

“Ebenezer Foster was a member for Kings county in the first house of assembly.”

See also, 1783 Studholm Report, transcribed by George H. Hayward, Foreword by Cleadie B. Barnett, C.G.(C), at:
http://www.rootsweb.com/~cannb/NB_Census_1783Studholm_Report...
David Graham Bell’s, “Early Loyalist Saint John”:

Ebenezer Foster, with a wife and 3 children over 10 years of age.
Elias Foster, wife, 2 children over 10, 3 children under 10.
Jacob Foster, wife, adult female (mother?, still there MAY1784, not present by JUN1784), 1 child under 10, a servant in 1783, not there in 1784.
Joshua Foster, single, adult male.
Lawrence Foster, single, adult male.
Stephen Foster, single, adult male.

With Ebenezer were 3 children, plus Elias, Joshua, Stephen (2), Lawrence and Josiah was with the NJV. This gives 8 living children in 1783 in NB Assuming two of the 3 un-named children in 1783 are Margaret and James (2); this leaves one unknown in 1783. Of the 10 children listed below, Hannah, James (1) and Stephen (1) died young; before 1783. These 3, plus the 8 in 1783, give 11 children, one of whom appears to have been unknown, and to be the same unknown who went to NB in 1783. Could this be the Isaiah Foster who petitioned for land in Kings Co., NB (with others) in 1798 and in Carleton Co., NB in 1813?
Dr. Esther Clark Wright’s, “Loyalists of New Brunswick”:

Caleb Foster, possibly from New Jersey, King’s American Regiment, Sunbury Co., NB
Charles Foster, to Fredericton, York Co., NB; to Carleton Co., NB
Elias Foster, Sr., to Long Reach (probably Kings Co.)
Elias Foster, Jr., to Long Reach (probably Kings Co.)
Jacob Foster, Gagetown, NB
Josiah Foster, corporal 2nd Battalion New Jersey Volunteers, Kennebecasis (Kings Co., NB), possibly to Carleton Co.
Joshua Foster, to Long Reach
Stephen Foster, Commissary-General’s Department, Kingston, Kings Co., NB
William Foster, Westchester Loyalists (indicating an origin in Westchester Co., NY), to Westmorland Co., NB

Sharon Dubeau’s, “New Brunswick Loyalists”, has one entry for Foster: Ebenezer Foster from Woodbridge, NJ, where he had been a judge of the inferior court, moved to Staten Island then Long Island in 1776, came to NB in MAY1783, settled in Kings Co., was a member of the House of Assembly for Kings Co. in 1787, and died in 1788. Two of his sons were Stephen who settled in Kingston Parish (Kingston Peninsula), and Lawrence who settled in Norton Parish Kennebecasis.)
Ebenezer apparently had some claim to Lot 7 of Micheau’s survey in Sunbury Co., NB, but did not take it up as in 1786 Duncan Colquhoon asked for it. In 1802, Benjamin Foster and others headed by William Crandlemire asked for vacant land on the Oromocto River. William Crandlemire may well be an ancestor of the Crandlemire’s in Carleton Co., NB connected to the family of George S. Flewwelling. Especially as in 1799, William was associated with William Boone of the Keswick area. Another associated with early land petitions in Sunbury Co. was Benen Foster, (not related; a Loyalist from Maine.) In 1799, Ezekiel Foster, Ezekiel Foster, Jr., Isaiah Foster and Seth Foster, together, ask for land on the Oromocto River. In 1803, In Sunbury Co., Susannah Foster asked for permission to sell part of her land to settle her late husband’s debts.
Carol Lorraine Sutton, Tharp GenForum # 1056, 30JUN2001:

Re: Elizabeth MAXSON m. John DAVIS 1715
Posted by: Verna L. Benedict Date: May 20, 2000
In Reply to: Re: Elizabeth MAXSON m. John DAVIS 1715 by Vicki Davis

Hi Vicki--I found a Benjamin Tharp in New Jersey involved with an Ebenezer Foster. This Loyalist lived as a farmer in Woodbridge, N.J. and was Judge of the Inferior Court of Common Pleas. The schedule of his property indicates prosperity, etc. The persons from whom Foster bought his property are recorded in one document. With this is the original indenture of March 25, 1773, of Benjamin Thorp, a poor child, of Woodbridge, to Ebenezer Foster, farmer, with the original signatures of Samuel Barron and David Alston, both Justices of the Peace. This all had to do with Foster's being a Loyalist and being kept a "prisoner". This was from a book called "The Loyalists of New Jersey in the Revolution". Of course, this is just the name of Benjamin Thorp in an area from which this group, ie, Davis and Maxson, all came from and doesn't prove anything.

Cleadie B. Barnett’s typescript extract, “Kings County Marriage Register: 1812-1828”, has a few entries:

Samuel Foster m. Allida Sherwood, both of Hampton Parish, Kings Co., NB, 12NOV1819.
According to the 1851 census of Upham Parish, Kings Co., NB, Samuel was b. NB ca. 1797, and his wife, ‘Eledy’ was b. NB ca. 1799. Their children at the time were: Mary (ca. 1824), Catherine (ca. 1827), Robert (ca. 1829), Samuel (ca. 1832, absent at the time, possibly the Samuel working for Charles Fairweather elsewhere in Kings Co.), Richard (ca. 1835), Frances (ca. 1837), Sarah (ca. 1839) and Andrew (ca. 1843.) Also in Upham Parish was Joshua Foster, b. NB ca. 1820, with a wife, Rachel (b. NB ca. 1818), and children: James (ca. 1847) and ‘Clarinda’ (ca. 1849.)
According to the IGI, Allida was Allida Prall Sherwood, b. 9MAR1800, bpt. 28JAN1821, d. 6MAY1880, d/o Andrew and Catherine (Ford) Sherwood.
Mary Foster of Springfield Parish m. Richard Cropley of the same, 5FEB1822. [Mary Anne Foster b. ca. 1805, m. Richard Charles Cropley (1786-1877), later lived in Fosterville (York Co.?), NB. Fosterville probably found by Irish Foster’s; but it is suggested that it was founded by David and Josiah Foster (b. ca. 1818.) Should check this. See:
http://www.fosterville.ca/database/wga18.html
and:
http://www.fosterville.ca/documents/fosterville.html
for more.]
John Foster of Kingston Parish m. Margaret Rogers of Springfield Parish, 3OCT1822
Lydia Foster and Jonathan Fenwick of Sussex Parish, m. 21MAR1825; witness: Ezekiel Foster
John Foster of Westfield Parish m. Catherine Armstrong of the same parish, 3APR1826 (3APR1825 in the Anglican parish records for Greenwich and Westfield Parishes.)
Sarah Foster and Mather McFarland of Sussex Parish m. 1827; Jonathan Fenwick was a witness, so Sarah probably sister to Lydia.
Hannah Foster and William Kelly of Sussex Parish m. 12SEP1827; witnesses: Jonathan Fenwick and Ezekiel Foster; suggesting that Hannah, Ezekiel, Lydia and Sarah were siblings.
John Foster of Sussex Parish m. Margaret Heany of the same, 20NOV1828

Ezekiel Foster was one of those assessed in Sussex Parish in 1800, appears to be the only Foster so assessed at the time, so may be the father of the brides mentioned above; and similarly those grooms from that parish. I don’t see him in a similar assessment of 1790, so he presumably moved there between 1790 and 1800. “The Story of Sussex and Vicinity”, by Grace Aiton tells me that Ezekiel also had a daughter, Mary, who m. William McLeod. Aiton’s work is un-indexed, making it hard to search, but she suggests a connection to Millstream; and Millstream I associate with Kingston on the peninsula.
Ebenezer Foster petitioned for land in Kings Co. in 1785, 1787 and in 1790 with Elias Foster, Joshua Foster, Josiah Foster, Laurence Foster and Margaret Foster. If Margaret was his daughter, this suggests she was unmarried at the time.
Children found at:
http://www.barney.org/family/wga20.html#I3278

Thomas


Re: Foster, Loyalist from NJ? Dutch?

DA Harding (View posts)
Posted: 18 Mar 2006 7:00AM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Foster
Thomas - Thank you for your response!!!!
Thank you for your time and listing of sources. I appreciate it very much.
This is an intriguing line with potential - and fraught with necessary suspect.

Josiah Foster (~1887-aft 1881) of Fosterville, NB is definitely my ancestor - my maternal grandmother's maternal grandfather. To me, it appears that his father is Sam and brothers are at least James, David and Elias. Unfortunately the source that reported Sam Foster was born 1780 in USA (http://www.fosterville.ca) is not known.

The very intriguing aspect of this line introduced by you is the Dutch ancestry. Dutch has been offered as ethnicity in later census reporting. Explanations have varied - from handwriting legibility to a ploy to mask the Loyalist factor. Maybe there has been no need for an explanation.
Your last reference led to Ebenezer Foster's (~1731-~1788) parentage. His mother was Dutch, his father died abt the time of his birth, and mother did not remarry for 14 yrs. Would this Dutch bond survive generations later? Mmmmm...

The weak links are:
1) my known Josiah Foster to the Samuel Foster I suspect.
2) the correct Samuel Foster to the Josiah Foster you offer.
The common usage of first names is encouraging. And, deadends have been given some light....

Re: Foster - Mott and prior research

DA_Harding (View posts)
Posted: 18 Mar 2006 7:46AM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Foster, Mott
Thomas -
The direction of my search for Foster ancestors has naturally been effected by other family lines. Specifically - many famlies in Fosterville, NB came from the St. John River where many Loyalists fled the rebellion in the USA.

My maternal grandmother's mother was Foster and father was Mott:
Effie; d/o Edward; s/o Jacob B.; s/o Adam - per Wiggins the ancestor of all Queen County, NB Motts in 1876; s/o Jonathan - the Loyalist from NY; s/o Adam; s/o Charles; s/o Adam of Hempstead.
Looking over your other research, I find Motts!!!. Knowing confusion exists in the duplicate "Given" Mott names and lineage errors, your information caught my eye. I plan to explore the explanations and resources you offer.

Foster research: The Motts' emigration routes directed my Foster search - to NY. One wee hour of the night surfing found Sam Fosters in NY; but, the site and names have not resurfaced as expected. uggghhh....
Right of wrong, thank you for taking me out of "my box" and comfort zone.

Re: Foster - Mott and prior research

Thomas A. Murray (View posts)
Posted: 18 Mar 2006 6:01PM GMT
Classification: Query
My notes on the Foster's resulted much in the same manner you describe; an examination of an allied family. I had recently found that an Elizabeth Flewelling b. NB ca. 1787-90, d. ONT 4NOV1862 aet. 72 years, m. 1st ca. 1805 William Josiah Foster (b. NB); m. 2nd 26APR1834 Isaac Smith (b. NJ ca. 1779, d. Grimsby Twp. Lincoln Co., ONT 12AUG1840; m. 1st 12AUG1840 Elizabeth Pettit (b. 11SEP1784, d. 25MAR1832), d/o Andrew and Sarah (Smith) Pettit), s/o John and Hannah (Wilcox) Smith.
I suspect that William Josiah Foster who m. Elizabeth Flewelling was William Foster d. before 1834, s/o Josiah Foster; and brother to Samuel Foster who m. Anne Sims. As with much of what I have, these are guesses.
My guess is that Elizabeth was the d/o John and Mary Flewelling; where John was the s/o Thomas Flewelling of Oak Point; my mother's family. The Flewelling's, like the Mott's, and probably the Smith's, were from Hempstead, Long Island, NY. (The Pettit's, for that matter, are from nearby on Long Island.) Most of these families had branches in Westchester Co., NY, and were connected before 1783. While I recognize the name, Mott, I have done no research on them. There is one, fairly recent, connection in NB; which is somewhat surprising as the Flewelling's and Mott's share so much History. One might have thought there would be more.
Anyway, I had all of these notes on the Foster's, so thought they might be of use to you. It is largely material from on-line, but I suspect that a careful search of Kings and Queens Co. records (marriage, probates, church, census, etc.) might add much to them.
In 1807, a number of petitioners applied for land. The petition was for unused lands southwest of Kembles’ Manor, and five miles west of Long Reach. It was presented by Caleb Flewelling and Michael Clarke on behalf of themselves and twenty-two others. These, in addition to the Flewellings, were: Joseph Clarke, Michael Clarke, Stephen Crab, Charles Brittain, Joseph Brittain, Isaac Haveland, Silvanus Haveland, Giliad Secord, Elijah Secord, Thomas Lowder, Isaac Haveland, Jr., William Foster, Robert Clarke, Donald Urquhart, Daniel Urquhart, William Urquhart and Stephen Crate.) The inclusion of the Brittain’s in this petition recalls the James Brittain who was associated with Josiah Foster in several land petitions. Caleb Flewelling had married a Brittain. Jacob Flewelling married a Secord. Adam Flewelling married a Clarke. The Crabbe’s were originally next-door neighbours of Thomas Flewelling. The implication is that most of these people were neighbours, relatives and in-laws. This suggests that William Foster was in one of these categories as well.

Thomas

Re: Foster, Loyalist from NJ? Dutch?

Thomas A. Murray (View posts)
Posted: 18 Mar 2006 6:24PM GMT
Classification: Query
I must admit that, while I strongly suspect the founders of Fosterville were connected to Ebenezer Foster's family, I could find no direct evidence to establish the connection. Again, this is due to my reliance on on-line material. It is probable that a deeper search would provide the relevant material.
As to families reporting themselves as 'Dutch' in later census returns, this was actually quite frequent; and generally pointed to the New Netherlands. For example, The Haines' family in Douglas Parish, York Co., NB, in 1851 and later, reported themselves as 'German'. Quite correct although it is unlikely that any of them had seen what was to become Germany for over 150 years. The progenitor of the family had come from Prussia in the late 1600's (to Rye, Westchester Co., NY); but for the most part, his descendants married persons of English descent; so they also reported themselves as 'English'. Probably genetically more accurate.
That the Foster's had an oral tradition of descent from New Netherland Dutch is probably accurate and not uncommon. What is a pity is that this tradition was not recorded in such a way as to be available today. Your conjecture that any other explanation is unneccessary, I think, is accurate; and probably futile. To your question as to whether knowledge of the Dutch connection would survive so long, I have seen ample evidence of such survival in other families.

Thomas

Re: Community of families abt the Fosters

DA Harding (View posts)
Posted: 18 Mar 2006 7:40PM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Mott, Earle, Blake
Wow!! The spider's web continues; or, I should say the tree roots continue to mingle.

My great grandfather Mott's mother was Mary Elizabeth Mullin Crabb (1828-1911).
Her paternal grandfather was Stephen Crabb through father James John Crabb.
Her maternal grandfather was Michael Earle through mother Charlotte W. Earle.
Both grandfathers are named in the petition.
Backtracking my notes: Stephen Crabb had other sons Michael Blake Crabb and Samuel Crabb. Their names reflect your statements of onjoing kinship and/or community travels.

A darn good map of New Brunswick is mandatory. Familiarity wouldn't hurt. My probate study is poor; and, methinks I should not neglect the neighbors, potential clue givers.
That said with how many times do we say "I wish..."? I wish I had asked more questions of my great aunt.She knew her grandmother (with the habit of smoking corn cob pipe behind the barn) "Betsy" Crabb. I didn't have enough info for more specific questions though.

Again, thank you for sharing your information - regardless of it's benign place in your own genealogy. I greatly appreciate it. May your thoughtfulness be returned.
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