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Looking for Information on Raleigh and Charles Chinn of Virginia

Looking for Information on Raleigh and Charles Chinn of Virginia

Posted: 26 Feb 2008 12:42AM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Chinn, Ball, Jones, Reno
I'm looking for information on the connection between Raleigh Chinn, II. (approx. 1706-1770) and Charles Chinn (approx. 1723-1788). Also information on Margaret Ball (1694-1758)in relationship to Esther Ball (1685-1751), who is Mary Ball's half sister (Mary was the mother of George Washington). I have seen information showing both of these women as the spouse of Raleigh Chinn, I. (1684-1741). Any guidance would be much appreciated. Thank you.

Re: Looking for Information on Raleigh and Charles Chinn of Virginia

Posted: 27 Feb 2008 1:11PM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Chinn, Downman
This family has been researched by others. I don't have the documentation in front of me, so I may be mis-remembering the facts slightly, but the short answer is that Raleigh Chinn I was the father of three sons by Margaret Downman (her married name), and that he acknowledged them in his will. All three later took the surname Chinn. If I remember correctly, their names were Charles, Christopher and Elijah.

I believe that Raleigh Chinn I was the legitimate father of Raleigh II, but please don't take my word for it here. Nearly every Chinn family has a son named Raleigh or Rawleigh, and I may be confusing some of them.

Re: Looking for Information on Raleigh and Charles Chinn of Virginia

Posted: 27 Feb 2008 2:16PM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Chinn, Ball, Jones, Reno
Thank you for your post. I am trying to find the connection between Mary Chinn (1754-1839) who married Zeley Reno, and the Ball line. I can't determine whether Mary is a direct descendant of Esther Ball or Margaret Ball. Would you have any information on this line?

Any assistance would be very much appreciated.

Re: Looking for Information on Raleigh and Charles Chinn of Virginia

Posted: 27 Feb 2008 3:49PM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Chinn, Ball, Reno
Sorry, I've only been looking at the Chinns, since my Chinn line doesn't seem to trace back to either the Ball or Reno families, at least not yet.

Re: Looking for Information on Raleigh and Charles Chinn of Virginia

Posted: 28 Feb 2008 6:22AM GMT
Classification: Query
I've done alot of research on this particular family and I'll see what I can do to help here.

First, the Rawleigh Chinn you're looking for is not 2nd, but 1st. His father was John Chynn (or Chinn), his mother Alice (maiden name controversial but that can be saved for a later time).

He was born the 23rd of May 1684 in England and died about 1741 (will date, probated 1742) in Lancaster County Virginia. Rawleigh married Esther Ball, daughter of Joseph Ball and was half sister of Mary Ball, circa 1700/01. They had five (or seven depending..) children: Joseph, Rawleigh, Thomas, Chichester, Ann (and possibly John and Sarah).


Beginning about 1721 Esther and Rawleigh's marriage had gone bad and they began a rather public fight in and outside the courtrooms which ultimately was settled with a general court decision granting Esther 'separate maintenance'- a legal separation. Divorce was very rare and so this was really the only solution.


At this time Rawleigh started his relationship with the widow, Margaret (Ball) Downman, daughter of Captain William Ball and Margaret Williamson. She was a cousin to Esther as William and Joseph were brothers. She was born in 1694 and died in 1758.

Margaret was married circa 1715 to Rawleigh Downman (son of William Downman and Million Travers). They had two sons William and Rawleigh (who would marry Joseph Ball's- esther's brother- daughter Frances years later). Her husband died about 1719, and she was left a wealthy, land owning, single mother.


Since Rawleigh did not get a divorce, he and Margaret could never marry. Despite this, they had three sons, eldest Charles (born 18 Oct 1723 in Richmond Co), Christopher and Elijah. Margaret was, between about 1728 and 1735 repeatedly taken to court for 'adultery', fornication, leud character and at least twice for having an 'illegal' child. On occasion, Rawleigh too would be brought in on charges.


Rawleigh died about 1741, and left to his 'godsons', "the sons of Mrs. Margaret Downman", land (in Prince William County) and personal effects, for the most part, equal to his other sons.


As you research this part of your family you will find many unkind remarks about Rawleigh, and even Margaret. In his defense, I think he has been poorly misjudged by time and I can, if you're interested elaborate on the many honorable and kind things he did throughout his life. As for Margaret, she did what she had to do, in a time when being an unmarried woman was extremely difficult.


Of their three sons, while born with the Downman name, they all changed their surnames to Chinn after the death of their mother. All three moved to the lands their father left them (which changed to the name of Farquier county, and then Loudoun)


Charles's will is dated 1787, in it he names children: Charles, Elijah, Rawleigh, John, William Ball, Joseph, Margaret, Betty, Suckey, Nancy and Mary. The mention of your ancestor specifically says 'my daughter Mary Reno' and mentions her husband Zila Reno. Charles' wife was Cynthia Davis (who he calls Seth in his will I think) about 1753.


So... while your Ball line is not a direct descent from Esther Ball, you still have the same grandfather line so to speak.

William Ball (Margaret's father) and Joseph Ball (ether's father) had the same parents; Colonel William Ball of Millenbeck, Lancaster County, Virginia and his fine wife Hannah Atherold.

Which makes you a cousin of sorts to Geo Washington, and as it happens, a cousin to me as well. Hope this helps, Elizabeth

Re: Looking for Information on Raleigh and Charles Chinn of Virginia

Posted: 28 Feb 2008 2:56PM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Chinn, Ball, Jones, Reno
Elizabeth,

Thank you for your thoughtful post and for so cogently explaining the relationships between these various individuals. I was wondering if you knew how I might be able to get the text of Charles' will. Very interesting that he mentions his daughter in that. Also I am very curious to learn what kind acts were performed by Rawleigh, as to date I have definitely been thinking that he was somewhat of a cad. Esther Ball herself seems to have had a number of issues based on the way that she left things with her children in her own will.

Re: Looking for Information on Raleigh and Charles Chinn of Virginia

Posted: 1 Mar 2008 5:23AM GMT
Classification: Query
Hello there,
Yes, Esther had her own problems no doubt.
I have a copy of the full text of charles' will and will get it to you. Got your email and will respond in kind this weekend.


cheers
E

Re: Looking for Information on Raleigh and Charles Chinn of Virginia

Posted: 1 Mar 2008 6:41PM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Chinn, Lewis
Elizabeth,

I too have a Chinn in my family, that I don't even know where to begin with. All the Chinn information seems a bit confusing to me because of a lot of similar names, etc. and I haven't even attempted to try and delve into it to see if I could unlock where my lineage falls into play. All I know about her is this.

Her name is Margaret Chinn b. ca. 1797 and d. ca. 1881 when and where for both unknown to me at this time. She married a Thomas A. Lewis and again when and where I don't know. I know they had at least one son named William Samuel Lewis b 1834. It was from information on William that I obtained Margaret and Thomas' names as parents. I do not know of any siblings at this time either.

I am trying to find my heritage past both Margaret and Thomas. However I have been very unsuccessful as I have little to no information about either. Again for both all I have is an estimated time of birth and death and no other information. I have plenty about the son William, but the parents continue to allude me. I was hoping that if I could find just one clue about either that it would perhaps lead me to the other.

Is Margaret perhaps in some way connected to your family lines?? Or perhaps your Charles??

Any information you could give would be greatly appreciated! Or if you could perhaps maybe point me in the right direction for research I would greatly appreciate that as well!!!

Thanks!!

Jennifer

Re: Looking for Information on Raleigh and Charles Chinn of Virginia

Posted: 1 Mar 2008 7:15PM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Chinn
I'm not sure which of us you meant this for, but unfortunately I don't recognize your Margaret Chinn. My ancestor is Perry Chinn, born 1763 Stafford Co. VA. He was in Surry Co. NC by the mid-1790s, and did not have a daughter named Margaret.

Where did your Margaret live?

Re: Looking for Information on Raleigh and Charles Chinn of Virginia

Posted: 1 Mar 2008 9:23PM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Chinn, Lewis
I do not know any information about my Margaret, except that she was the mother of William Samuel Lewis and married to Thomas A Lewis. I can tell you that at the time of William's birth they were living in Louisville, Kentucky. That was 1834. I have William's birth record for proof of that. I have not been able to find any further information on Thomas either. I was thinking that perhaps Margaret was listed with the wrong last name because I have not been able to find proof, but I also can not find anything on Thomas to help disprove this.

That unfortunatley is the only lead I have. I have an 1880 Census record for William that says both of his parent were born in Kentucky, however I don't know if I really have any confidence in this statement. My experience with census records from other parts of my lineage, leads me to believe that the birth place of the parents , when able to be listed in census records, is dependent on who took the census and whether or not they really knew. For example, I have people in my lineage proven born in New Jersey but listed as being born in Kansas in their children's census records. So, I look to them for hints but not as truth until I find records saying otherwise.

I am really stumped on this one, because it appears that the Chinn family is very well tracked, and I have a mysterious Margaret that no one seems to be able to give me information on. Maybe a lost daughter no one ever recorded or claimed? I know there has to be some information somewhere on her, I just need to dig deeper I guess. Maybe if I can find their marriage record, that would give up some information.

If you happen to run across anything in your searches please let me know! I am anxious to break this mystery!
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