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Magnus E. Shier family, Charleston, SC

Magnus E. Shier family, Charleston, SC

Posted: 24 Jan 2010 6:37AM GMT
Classification: Query
Trying to fill in the James Magnus Shier / Mary Elizabeth "Hermine" Kanapaaux family tree. They lived and some still do in Charleton, SC.

Re: Magnus E. Shier family, Charleston, SC

Posted: 6 Feb 2010 2:31AM GMT
Classification: Query
Hi. As seen in the 1880 St. James Goose Creek, Charleston, SC census, (James) Magnus Shirer married Emille and they are living with his mother in law M.A.Shirer. This is talking about James Magnus Shirer, the son of Aaron Shier of Goose Creek and Mary A. Shier. James married Emillor V. Tyson and had five children: Three of which are Mary Alberta Shirah (my great grandmother), James Dallas Shirah and Charley Shirah. James Magnus Shirah / Shira / Shirer / Shier died on Aug. 2, 1894 of alcoholism and is buried in the Magnolia Cemetery in Charleston. Does any of this connect with what you're asking?

Dan Bass

Re: Magnus E. Shier family, Charleston, SC

Posted: 6 Feb 2010 2:41AM GMT
Classification: Query
I should have said that James Magnus Shirer is living with his mother M.A. in 1880 census... not mother in law.

Re: Magnus E. Shier family, Charleston, SC

Posted: 6 Feb 2010 12:32PM GMT
Classification: Query
Hi Dan,
Thanks for your reply. The James Magnus Shier that is related to my family married Mary Elizabeth "Hermine" Kanapaux and had 5 children that I know of, birth years range from 1881 to 1891
None of which match the ones you listed, I have the same facts about his death as you, which I got from a living Shier. Wonder if James M. was married twice. He was 12 years older than Hermine. I looked at the catholic church records but came up empty for their marriage. I can't find a date of death for her either. She would be my first cousin twice removed, ha, figure that one out...to make it easier she would have been my great grandfathers niece.
The Shier family for the most part are buried in St. Lawrence Cemetery, but I located others in Magnolia and Bethany in death records. My next trip out that way, I locate the graves.
Thanks again, Yvonne

Re: Magnus E. Shier family, Charleston, SC

Posted: 6 Feb 2010 4:13PM GMT
Classification: Query
Yvonne,

I am still trying to get my mind wrapped around this.I see in the 1900 Charleston Census that Hermine is married to Albert Hedderly with children / step-children Harry, Victor and Magnus. How do you know that Hermine's first husband was named James Magnus Shier? I am researching the Shiers now and would like to find the connection between your James Magnus and mine. Also, in the title "Magnus E. Shier family, Charleston, SC" are you referring to the Magnus that is the son of Hermine? The wife of the James Magnus Shier that I am referring to was listed as a widow living with her daughter, Alberta, in 1900. So, it doesn't appear that my particular James Magnus was married twice.

Thanks!

Dan

Re: Magnus E. Shier family, Charleston, SC

Posted: 6 Feb 2010 4:41PM GMT
Classification: Query

Re: Magnus E. Shier family, Charleston, SC

Posted: 6 Feb 2010 9:36PM GMT
Classification: Query
Okay, I have it figured out. The father of the Victor Shier, who is the step-son of Albert Hedderly, was Magnus Eugene Shier and his mother was Hermine Maria Kanapaux according to Victor's death certificate. In other words, Hermine was married to Magnus Eugene Shire and not James Magnus Shier.

Dan

Re: Magnus E. Shier family, Charleston, SC

Posted: 8 Jul 2010 8:49PM GMT
Classification: Query
If you need more family info I can help. My Grandmother
was Hermine Shier. She married David W. Low . My father is 85 years old and lives in Mt. Pleasant. My grandmother's mother was a Kanapaux. I went to high school with a Kanapaux who is a relative of this family. My father can tell you all about the Shiers. The Shier's still live in Charleston SC. This family has alot of history before the
Civil War. From my understanding, Victor Shier was my grandmother's uncle.

Re: Magnus E. Shier family, Charleston, SC

Posted: 9 Jul 2010 3:45AM GMT
Classification: Query
Hello and thank you. I have that Magnus Eugene Shier (died August 2, 1894) was the son of Aaron T. Shier and Mary A. Shier. Magnus married Mary Elizabeth Hermine Kanapaux--the daughter of John B. Kanapaux and Rosa Heaver--around the close of the year 1880. They had children: Errington Caleb "Harry" Shier, John Victor Shier, Mary Alice Shier, Magnus Eugene Shier (Jr.) and Cliffton George Shier. I may have missed other children such as Hermine. After Magnus' death, Hermine married Albert Hedderly who died in 1910. On the death certificate of Hermine's husband Magnus, his name is given as James Magnus Shier. Does the above concur with what you have?

Now the kicker... my grandmother told me that her grandfather, James Shirah / Shier lived in Goose Creek, Charleston, S.C. ... that he died of alcoholism ... and that his wife (my grandmother's grandmother) was a full-blooded Cherokee and that they were not officially married--that is, they were married according to Cherokee customs. It seems to me that she said that he divorced this wife and married a Kanapaux... but maybe my mind is making up that memory. I believe your ancestor James Magnus, who married Hermine was previously married to my ancestor... the Cherokee.

This first wife (as I found) had the Cherokee name Vi-Meli Tsi s gu, which means "Mary, the lively one of the morning." My grandmother told me her name meant "Star of the Morning." Her "English" name was rendered Mary V. Tyson on most official records. However, census recorders gave her first name to be Vermel... Bammel... Emile... Milla V.... and my grandmother remembers her being called "Melodie." She later went simply by Mary V. (Shirah). James Magnus is found married to Emile on the 1880 St. James Goose Creek, Charleston census along with his mother Mary. Apparently, Magnus and my gg-grandmother divorced Cherokee-style (which was a simple ceremony) and he married Hermine Kanapaux. However, they had three children Mary Alberta Shirah (my g-grandmother), James Dallas Shirah and Charles P. Shirah. I have a photograph of these three children if you would like me to email it to you.

I hope this does not sound too strange to you. I have spent a great deal of time looking into it. A fellow researcher, who also descends from this Tyson line, has recorded from notes written in a family bible that this Mary V. Tyson (daughter of George Tyson and Pauline Dial) married a Shier. I have found several written sources that mentions the Shier and Kanapaux family members if you would like to have those as well.

I have that Magnus' father Aaron served as a Confederate Private in the Regiment: Company Christophe, of South Carolina. I would love to know what you have of the Shier family.

Thank you for your message!

Dan Bass

Re: Magnus E. Shier family, Charleston, SC

Posted: 4 Jan 2011 11:03AM GMT
Classification: Query
Wow, what great info. Have to make a few corrections. You listed Hermine Kanapaux Shier Hedderly parents as John B. Kanapaux & Rosa Heaver, as listed on her death certificate. Both are incorrect,the certificate was filed out by the physician who pronounced her death not a family member. Her father was Augustus Victor (my great-grand uncle) A.V. or just Victor, her mother was Rosa D. Wever, who was born in Edgefield,SC. A.V.served in the Lafayette Light Atillery, Kanapaux Company, which was commanded by his brother, Capt. John Theodore (my great grandfather)two other brothers also served in this comapany, Oscar F. & Joseph Eugene. A fifth brother, Charles was the commanding officer of Wagner's Light Artillery, Co. D., Palmetto Battalion......Hermine's son Cliffton George Shier was adopted by her sister Marie Magdlaine Zuline Kanapaux Butler according to the 1910 census. Hermine is said to have married 3 times but I have yet to find a third. You may contact me directly at aunteon@yahoo.com
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