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Mary Wingate b. 1838 Ireland - parents?

Mary Wingate b. 1838 Ireland - parents?

Posted: 8 Jun 2013 2:31PM GMT
Classification: Query
Hello,

I am trying to find information on Mary Wingate. Wingate is not her maiden name, the rumor I have heard is that her maiden name was Murdock, but I have been unable to locate any information on this and I'm not sure if this is true.

What I do know is that she was born abt. 1838 in Ireland. She married George Wingate, most likely in Kent, England. They had at least 7 children: Thomas, Mary, Margaret, Lizzie, Lydia, Kate, and Julia. I have found her in the 1871 England census in Cray St. Mary, Kent, England. She next appears in the 1880 US census in Manchester, NH. She is listed to have died on July 25, 1891 in Manchester, NH.

I am hoping to find out who her parents were, where in Ireland she was from, or even her maiden name. Anything helps. Thanks!

Re: Mary Wingate b. 1838 Ireland - parents?

Posted: 8 Jun 2013 5:39PM GMT
Classification: Query
I first checked www.freebmd.com which has English civil records, but didn't find a matching marriage for George and Mary. I did find their children's births, in Bromley, Kent. Civil records of that year did not often list the Mother's maiden name.
I found this death record at family search, that appears to be your Thomas, based on his birthplace, year, and occupation. However, it says his Mother was Margaret McCarthy
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-266-11853-94732-64?...
Mary's death is in the same database, but unfortunately does not list her parents

Re: Mary Wingate b. 1838 Ireland - parents?

Posted: 8 Jun 2013 7:27PM GMT
Classification: Query
Edited: 8 Jun 2013 7:29PM GMT
Here is the 1940 census, with who appears to be your Lydia, Elizabeth and Julia Wingate. There is a John McCarthy living with them, who is listed as a nephew.
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/VT9S-R4T

Here is the death for Mary Wingate McCarthy, which lists her Mother as Mary McCarthy
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FSNT-Z27

Re: Mary Wingate b. 1838 Ireland - parents?

Posted: 8 Jun 2013 9:01PM GMT
Classification: Query
That's interesting. I didn't catch Thomas in the records before. I'm not sure why it lists Margaret McCarthy as his mother though. Strange. Thanks for the help!

Re: Mary Wingate b. 1838 Ireland - parents?

Posted: 9 Jun 2013 1:13AM GMT
Classification: Query
Maybe her name was Mary Margaret? It would be interesting to see if the other children's death registrations list her as McCarthy - the ones online only go to 1947, and it looks like the unmarried daughters died from 1948 on, according to the cemetery records.
Have you tried to find an obit for Mary- it may list siblings.

Re: Mary Wingate b. 1838 Ireland - parents?

Posted: 18 Jun 2013 12:11PM GMT
Classification: Query
Hi,
If you order one of the children's birth certificates that should give the mother's maiden name. Is it possible she was a second wife? I would start with Lydia, as she is most likely to have been Mary's child.

Who was the visitor Mary Neal born Ireland in 1871? She may be a relation.

From FreeBMD

Births Sep 1858
Wingate Thomas Bromley 2a 216

Births Sep 1860
WINGATE George Bromley 2a 235

Births Jun 1862
WINGATE Mary Bromley 2a 259

Births Jun 1864

WINGATE John Bromley 2a 271


Births Mar 1868

Wingate Elizabeth Bromley 2a 346

Births Jun 1870
Wingate Lydia Susan Bromley 2a 339


Ordering through the GRO is the cheapest way.

http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/


Regards, Helen.

Re: Mary Wingate b. 1838 Ireland - parents?

Posted: 18 Jun 2013 1:59PM GMT
Classification: Query
Thanks for the suggestion, I hadn't thought about that route. I'll definitely look into it.

Re: Mary Wingate b. 1838 Ireland - parents?

Posted: 18 Jun 2013 3:46PM GMT
Classification: Query
I had tried looking up Mary Neal previously but was unable to find any information on her. I'm not sure what her relationship with the family was.

Re: Mary Wingate b. 1838 Ireland - parents?

Posted: 31 Oct 2013 7:09PM GMT
Classification: Query
I received the birth certificate of Lydia Wingate and it has Mary's name as "formerly McCarthy". It only states birth is in Ireland though. Any ideas of another document I can try to get that would help trace her lineage back to Ireland? Thanks.

Re: Mary Wingate b. 1838 Ireland - parents?

Posted: 31 Oct 2013 9:06PM GMT
Classification: Query
Edited: 31 Oct 2013 9:12PM GMT
I see their marriage record on www.freebmd.org.uk but this is only an index. Here's the info:

Bromley District, Kent, England
Marriages in June 1858
Volume 2a, pg 327
George Winggate (sic) to Mary Ann McCarthy

With the volume and page number, I'd order a copy of the actual certificate to see if it gives the names of her parents or her birthplace. Here's how to order one...

http://www.freebmd.org.uk/Certificates.html

Alternately, the familysearch.org website shows a series of Bromley marriage records for this period. I could not view it, however. It seems that there are licensing considerations, so that only users with an LDS account or those actually sitting at an LDS library can view it. It may just be a duplicate of the civil registration document but I'm not really sure, so it may be worthwhile to get someone to look it up for you as well. For what it's worth, then, here is the link...

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1951-23190-40470-21...

Hope this helps, good luck with your search.

Scott
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