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Welsh Royalty

Barbara Freeman (View posts)
Posted: 13 Oct 1999 12:00PM GMT
Classification: Query
Edited: 18 May 2004 3:12PM GMT
Surnames: Tewdwr, Rhys, Price
My ancestors were the prince of Wales, Rhys ap Tewdwr and The Lord Rhys . They were princes of South Wales. Also David Price was from Brecknockshire, Wales and married Joan Awbrey who was from Brecknockshire Castle in Wales. I believe Gwenydd is the area they are connected with. (David and Joan came to America in 1693 to Philadelphia.)

I understand that after Rhys ap Tewdwr was killed by the Normans the rest of the family may have gone back to Ireland.

Sincerely,
Barbara Freeman

Prince of Wales, Lord of Rhys, Rhys of Tewdwr

Posted: 25 Aug 2000 12:00PM GMT
Classification: Query
Edited: 18 May 2004 3:08PM GMT
Surnames: Rhys, Rees, Reece, Tewdwr
Mynwife is descendant from Lord Rhys, Prince of Wales.Gruffudd ap Rhys the father of Rhys of Tewdwr. My info is from Family Tree Maker. LDS, and web site http>//home.sprintmail.com/~dwreece/geneology/HTM,. I had some trouble with that. I have a family tree: Price Rhys, 1634-David Reece, 1655-Lewis Reece, 1684-David Reece, 1711- Jesse Reece Sr 1759-Jesse Reece Jr, 1793-Wasshington Reece, 1833-Amanda Adaline Reece Burris, 1866-William Franklin Biurris, 1892-Ellen Arlien Burris Mann, 1928.Lord Rhys had
dinehwr Castle in the 1200s.Good onfo on dwreece web site.

Prices & Rhys

Barbara Freeman (View posts)
Posted: 28 Aug 2000 12:00PM GMT
Classification: Query
Edited: 18 May 2004 3:06PM GMT
Surnames: Price, Awbrey, Tewdwr, Carew
Hi: My David Price and his wife Joan Awbrey left Brecknock-
shire, Wales. The family had lived in Brecknockshire Castle
and Joan Awbrey is descended from Princess Elizabeth a dau-
ghter of Rhys ap Tewdwr and Gwaldys. She married Edwin de Carew and they lived in Carew Castle. All my data comes from family, AMERICANS OF ROYAL DESCENT, Kenneth Miles, etc.
Thanks for your response. Barb

Rhys ap Tewdwr

Alun Chesterfield (View posts)
Posted: 5 Dec 2000 12:00PM GMT
Classification: Query
Sorry,I made an error; Rhys ap Tewdwr was Bleddyn ap Maenyrch's BROTHER-in-law.

welsh Royalty

Alun Chesterfield (View posts)
Posted: 5 Dec 2000 12:00PM GMT
Classification: Query
Dynasty of Gwynedd:

1.Merfyn Frych d.844 (King of Gwynedd,Powys & Isle of Man).
m.Esyllt fch.Cynan Dindaethwy
2.Rhodri Mawr d.878 (King of Gwynedd,Powys & Deheubarth)

m.Angharad fch.Meurig

3.Cadell ap Rhodri d.circa 909 (Prince of Ceredigion)

m.(?)

4.Hywel Dda d.950

m.(?)

5.Owain ap Hywel d.988

m.(?)

6.Cadell ab Owain

m.(?)

7.Tewdwr Mawr

m.(?)

8.Rhys ap Tewdwr d.1093 (King of Deheubarth)

m.(?)

9.Gruffudd ap Rhys d.1137

m.(?)

10.The Lord Rhys d.1197

I don't have the wives' names as they are not in my direct line.
Rhys ap Tewdwr was killed at the battle of Caerbannog,near
Brecon,in April 1093 along with his son-in-law Bleddyn ap
Maenyrch,Prince of Brycheiniog.They were fighting the Norman
army of Bernard de Neufmarche.One of Bernard's knights was
Reginald de Sancto Alberico or St.Awbrey; he was the ancestor of the Breconshire Awbreys.(Source: "The History
of Brecknockshire" by Theophilus Jones,first pub.1805).
I am a descendant of Bleddyn ap Maenyrch.



Welsh Royalty Rhys ap Tewdwr

Barbara Freeman (View posts)
Posted: 6 Dec 2000 12:00PM GMT
Classification: Query
Edited: 18 May 2004 2:26PM GMT
Surnames: Tewdwr
Hi: Thank you for all the information you wrote down. I
don't have enough data to share, but if I ever come across anything I will be sure to share it. Barbara

Welsh Royalty

Alun Chesterfield (View posts)
Posted: 28 Jan 2001 12:00PM GMT
Classification: Query
Firstly,don't get misled by the present usage of royal titles; a Prince being the son of a King,etc.What matters is how the ancient rulers were described by others and how they described themselves.The words "Arglwydd" (Lord) and
"Tywysog" (Prince) are often encountered,but some chieftains
styled themselves "Brenin" (King),particularly the rulers of the north Wales kingdom of Gwynedd,the descendants of
Cunedda or Cunedag who came from the land of the Gododdin
in what is now southern Scotland and drove the Irish out of
Gwynedd to establish his own dynasty in the area.

Of Cunedda's great-grandson,the monk Nennius wrote in the 9th century,"Maelgwn ruled as a great king among the Britons,that is in the region of Gwynedd"; he describes Maelgwn (Maglocunus) as "the dragon of the island" (meaning
Great Britain).In "The Dictionary of Welsh Biography down
to 1940",published by The Hon.Soc.of the Cymmrodorion,(London 1945),the descendants of Cunedda are called "Kings of Gwynedd".

So too in the medieval writings of the monk Lifris; in his
"Life of Catwg" he describes the invasion of Glamorgan by Cynan Garwyn "King of Reinuc" (i.e.Eirinwg,a part of Powys)
and how the "King of the country of Glamorgan" was struck with fear and requested the clergy to go with him to meet
Cynan bearing the relics of St.Catwg to plead with him "not to inflict injury upon them undeservedly".Cynan Garwyn was
the son of Brochfael Ysgythrog,who is usually styled "Prince
of Powys".

Earlier in the same narrative Lifris states that St. Catwg was given the "liberty of dwelling and possessing that land" (in the Vale of Neath) by "King Arthmael".He subsequently tells how St.Catwg presented to Gwrgan Varius "who then reigned in Glamorgan" ,a sword which had been given to him by "King Rhun,the son of King Maelgon" (i.e.Maelgwn of Gwynedd).
Reference: "Vita of Catwg" (Camb.-Brit.Sts.361)

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Gwynneth Wright (View posts)
Posted: 28 Jan 2001 12:00PM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Powell, Price, Jones
I've always been taught that there were no kings in Wales, only princes. The source that mentions a king should be checked very carefully there were no Kings in Wales
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