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Mary/Marie Gaspar

Mary/Marie Gaspar

Posted: 5 Apr 2012 8:26PM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Gaspar
Mary/ Marie Gaspar is my maternal grandmother. She was born in Bohemia in 1883. She died in Berwyn, Cook County, Illinois March 13, 1930. According to the Illinois, Deaths and Stillbirths Index, 1916-1947, she was born in "Spice Bukovec, Harvart, Jugoslavia".
She married Heinrick (Henry) Vocelka in Cook County, Illinois. They had 6 children. A daughter, Julia Vocelka, is my mother.
Questions:
1. desire info on the place of her birth ("Spice Bukovec, Harvart, Jugoslavia".
2. desire info on when she came to America. (can not find her on any ship documents)
Thanks.

Re: Mary/Marie Gaspar

Posted: 5 Apr 2012 8:45PM GMT
Classification: Query
DailyVoice

Look also for KASPAR.

http://seznam.1188.cz/s?q=kaspar&x=48&y=21
http://seznam.1188.cz/s?q=kasper&x=38&y=19

Did you look for her arrival manifest in Baltimore, Boston or Philadephia port? Maybe she came thru Canada?

Re: Mary/Marie Gaspar

Posted: 5 Apr 2012 10:06PM GMT
Classification: Query
I searched under the category "Immigration & Travel" in ancestry.com. Found no information. ancestry.com automatically goes to names with similar spelling/ so Kaspar / Gasper/ Kasper were covered. Also, if one enters Mary, "Marie"s will also show-up. Also, when I have entered "Vocelka", Vocelki, and similar surnames have shown up.Should I look elsewhere?

Re: Mary/Marie Gaspar

Posted: 5 Apr 2012 10:17PM GMT
Classification: Query
Can you attach a scan of the document that has "Spice Bukovec"? Another set of eyes might see something different.

Re: Mary/Marie Gaspar

Posted: 5 Apr 2012 10:48PM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Gaspar/ Kasper
I do not have a document. I just have info from ancestry.com. Hate to make you work, since you have been so helpful. But if you go to ancestry.com/ click on "search all records" under "search" in top banner, then enter "Marie Vocelka" and Illinois for place. You will see an entry for Marie Vocelka's death certicate. (for me, the entry was the second one. spouse: Henry Vocelka)Marie's place of birth is listed as "Spice Bukovec, Harvart, Jugoslavia" And if you "view" the document, you will find that Marie's surname is "Kasper". GEEZ. Other documents indicate "Gaspar" So you were right-on in suggesting I look for spellings other than "Gaspar".

1.additional info from a search I just did on ancestry.com. My mother's brother (Joseph Vocelka) is in the 1930 census. Wife: Adeline and a baby. The entry indicates that Joseph's parents (my maternal grandparents) were born in Czechoslovakia, rather than Bohemia - makes sense given the year was 1930.
2.My mother's favorite Uncle was Uncle Stevie (Vocelka). They all lived in Berwyn, Ill at one time. I found WWII draft card and U.S. naturalization record for a Steve Vocelka. He lists his place of birth on the naturalization record as "Austria: Yugoslavia" and on the WWII draft card (in his handwriting!) as Veliki Grdjevac, Jugoslavia. And, yes, the two "Steve"s are the same person. Muddy waters!

Re: Mary/Marie Gaspar

Posted: 6 Apr 2012 1:45AM GMT
Classification: Query
I don't have a subscription to Ancestry so can not view the document. I was hoping that you have seen the handwritten paper.

So there is a connection to former Jugoslavia.
Veliki Grdjevac could now be Veliki Grdevac, Croatia.

http://www.jewishgen.org/communities/loctown.asp
Velika Grđevas, Veliki Grćevac, Veliki Grđevac populated place 45°45' N 17°03' E E M U G Croatia 50.6 miles E of Zagreb 45°48' N 16°0' E

Voceljka, Cecilia Grdjovac, Hungary 17 1890 1907
Only she show up with this surname arriving NY EI.

In Croatia Mali Bukovec and Veliki Bukovec.
I would suggest requesting naturalization intent & petition as well as a church record to come to a correct place of birth for your ancestors. Have you located uncle Stevie's arrival manifest?

Re: Mary/Marie Gaspar

Posted: 6 Apr 2012 2:07AM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Gaspar, Kasper
I, also, do not have a subscription to ancestry.com

For the birthplace of Marie Vocelka, I just go to ancestry.com. You will notice a banner across the top showing a number of links. Click on "search"/ third from left. Then click on "search all records". You will be given a screen to enter a name and other info. I just entered "marie vocelka" and got her death certificate (Henry vocelka is spouse). Place of birth is in the certificate.

I have no info yet on Uncle (My great uncle) Stevie's arrival manifest.

I would be very surprised if anyone in the line was Jewish. There were a mix of Catholics and non-Catholics in my parents siblings and spouses.

Re: Mary/Marie Gaspar

Posted: 6 Apr 2012 3:11AM GMT
Classification: Query
You might want to request the death certificate yourself and see the handwritten [hopefully handwritten] place of birth for yourself.

Why did you write this: I would be very surprised if anyone in the line was Jewish. Is it because http://www.jewishgen.org/communities/loctown.asp
The JewishGen Gazetteer contains the names of one million localities in 54 countries in Europe, North Africa, the Middle East, and Central Asia.

Re: Mary/Marie Gaspar

Posted: 6 Apr 2012 4:25PM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Gaspar/ Kasper/ Vocelka
Good idea about obtaining the death certificate.
Been on-line this morning (WAY too much time researching). I found in ancestry.com the death certificate for Mary/Marie's daughter (my mom's sister who died in Illinois at age of 14 in 1922). Certificate indicates the mother's birth place as Serbia. So I have a birth place of Bohemia, Czechoslovakia, Yugoslavia, or Serbia for Mary/Marie Gaspar/Kasper married to Henry Vocelka. A GOOGLE search resulted in finding a Bukovac in Serbia and also the following place: "Bukovac, Perusic, Hrvatska, Yugoslavia" which is the closest I have come to the "Spice Bukovec, Harvart, Jugoslavia " listed as the birth place on Marie Vocelka's death certificate in ancestry.com!!

I'm off-line for Easter.
Thanks for all your assistance.

Re: Mary/Marie Gaspar

Posted: 7 Apr 2012 4:38AM GMT
Classification: Query
My name is Lupe Gaspar Carrier and I don't know any of my father's information. I have always wondered what his roots were....blows my mind to think his ancestors were Hungarian. I hope I can find some information, the show Who Do You Think You Are has really peaked my interest.
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