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Friedhold, Carl or Hugo HEMMANN, involved with Boston Orchestra and New York Philh

Friedhold, Carl or Hugo HEMMANN, involved with Boston Orchestra and New York Philh

Posted: 20 Jun 2011 3:24PM GMT
Classification: Query
Edited: 21 Jun 2011 1:04PM GMT
Surnames: Hemmann,
I am at a dead end tracing family of these 3 brothers. All 3 were musicians and appear to been involved with the founding and/or early history of the Boston Orchestra and the New York Philharmonic. I am trying to obtain information about their parents, spouses or children.

Re: Friedhold, Carl or Hugo Hemmann

Posted: 20 Jun 2011 5:38PM GMT
Classification: Query
When and where were they born, died?

Re: Friedhold, Carl or Hugo Hemmann

Posted: 20 Jun 2011 5:56PM GMT
Classification: Query
Try searching this site. I had the best luck searching on just the last name, because sometimes Friedhold was not indexed correctly. There were many articles about Carl playing the violin, and there were several about some marriage scandal involving Friedhold's daughter Elsie.
http://www.fultonhistory.com/Fulton.html

Re: Friedhold, Carl or Hugo Hemmann

Posted: 25 Jun 2011 12:13AM GMT
Classification: Query
Thanx for your reply. I'd appreciate any help you can provide or tips on how I can proceed. I have a colorful family hx it seems. My Great grandfather apparently being a bigamist and scoundrel.
Friedhold Hemmann, b Aug 15,1854; d. May 5, 1911 at sea, buried Greece
Carl Hemmann, b @1852, d. after 1922
Hugo Hemmann, b. Mar 1853, d. ?
The three brothers arrived New York 1869 from Saxe-Weimar, Thuringia which became Bavaria I believe.

Re: Friedhold, Carl or Hugo Hemmann

Posted: 25 Jun 2011 12:20AM GMT
Classification: Query
Wow, Thanx for that link. So it seems that gossipy stories are not exclusive to todays tabloids and my family was the subject of some juicy stuff in that day. My GGGFA was sued and prevailed in the lower court, but it was reversed on appeal and the appeal court decision gave a more complete account of the scandal than the link you provided, but your link has drawings of the betrayed Mrs Kuhn and my Great Grandmother (the other woman). Thanks so much. Any other suggestions would be very welcome.
Chuck Kuhn

Re: Friedhold, Carl or Hugo HEMMANN, involved with Boston Orchestra and New York Philh

Posted: 3 Dec 2011 2:12AM GMT
Classification: Query
Edited: 3 Dec 2011 2:59PM GMT
Surnames: Thomas ,Ross ,Hemmann
I just came across your listing while searching my family tree. My aunt Ina Thomas married a musician, Carl Ross Hemmann, born l6 October 1875 in New York. His father, Carl Hemmann was born in Germany and died in 1905. Please let me know if this is the person you are looking for

Re: Friedhold, Carl or Hugo HEMMANN, involved with Boston Orchestra and New York Philh

Posted: 3 Dec 2011 4:23PM GMT
Classification: Query
Thanx for your reply. Information that I have says that Carl Hemmann, who was the brother of my ggf was b @1852, d. after 1922. Not ruling out a connection. Are you confident in the data you have? Do you know any more from census data than birtha and death like addresses? You said that Carl R was born in Ny and Carl was born in Germany? Do you know what pert of what is now Germany?

Re: Friedhold, Carl or Hugo HEMMANN, involved with Boston Orchestra and New York Philh

Posted: 4 Dec 2011 5:26AM GMT
Classification: Query
The 1920 US CENSUS incorrectly lists them as Hermann but everything else is correct. It only lists his parents as German and him as a musician. His World War I draft registration 1917-1918 lists his birth date as 16 Oct 1875. His US Passport Application has the same birth date. It lists that his father Carl Hemmann as born in Germany and died 1905. On a 1922 passenger list for Ina and Carl Hemmenn from Le Havre to New York, it lists 101 West 56th Street, NYC. I have no idea when the son Carl died. I haven't been able to track that down. I remembered that my aunt Ina always said he was a musician and that helped me narrow it down. Let me know if any of this is of any help to you.
Mary Lou

Re: Friedhold, Carl or Hugo HEMMANN, involved with Boston Orchestra and New York Philh

Posted: 5 Dec 2011 12:33AM GMT
Classification: Query
Edited: 5 Dec 2011 12:39AM GMT
There may be some connection, but I cannot be sure. My Grandfather was born to a Barbara Hemmann, a niece to Carl Hemmann. His birth was in an apartment house on 56th St in NY on July 4, 1894. My Grandfather's name was Charles which in German is Carl.
Have you constructed much of a family tree? Do you know how I could let you have access to mine on Ancestry and vice versa.
Have you searched the records of early members of the Boston and New York orchestras? There is mention of a Carl Hemmann there. That Carl I am certain was my ggf's brother.
Also take a loook and search last name for best results http://www.fultonhistory.com/Fulton.html

Chuck Kuhn

Re: Friedhold, Carl or Hugo HEMMANN, involved with Boston Orchestra and New York Philh

Posted: 6 Dec 2011 1:21AM GMT
Classification: Query
Hi Chuck, I am really searching for Ina Hemmann, Carl's wife. That is how I was able to track him down. I am cetain of the date's I gave you as they are in copies of the material I mentioned, which I obtained from Ancestry.com. Ina was an actress and I verified that Carl was a musician. Don't you think it too much coincidence that they both lived on 56th Street in NY? I do. I just looked up that address on the internet and found that it is now a garage for Carnegie Hall. Do you have an address for 56th Street? The next time am in the city I am going to look up that address. You can look up the census records and 1920 Carl Hermann and New York Passenger Lists, 1820-11957 Record for for Ina Hemmenn, also World War I Draft Registration Cards, 1917-1918 record for Carl Ross Hemmann at Ancestry.com. That way you can see what I have. Last names are misspelled, but the data is correct.
Mary Lou
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