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John A S Robertson 20th battalion imperial yeomanry(rough riders)

John A S Robertson 20th battalion imperial yeomanry(rough riders)

Posted: 23 Jul 2012 9:02PM GMT
Classification: Query
my grt granduncle(grt grandmother's brother)john ainslie somerville robertson fought in the 2nd boer war. i can only find his details under the medal and award rolls 1793-1949. regimental number 15730. how do i go about finding out more, such as if he married and had children and when he married and died? i couldnt find him after 1891 census and now i know why! how can i find when he registered for the yeomanry and when. he is scottish born in february 1876 in glasgow. would love to connect with anyone who knows anything about him and what he did during and after the war.
thankyou in advance!
john tyner in ireland

Re: John A S Robertson 20th battalion imperial yeomanry(rough riders)

Posted: 25 Jul 2012 9:18PM GMT
Classification: Query
The Anglo-Boer website http://www.angloboerwar.com/ list him as:

Robertson; John Ainslie Sommerville; 15730; Private; No known Company. Served in 20th Btn IY
Source: QSA Medal Rolls.

However, you should be aware that there is another Robertson I.Y. soldier with the same number (confirmed in the Nominal Roll of the I.Y. on Kevin Asplin’s “The Asplin Military History Resources”) that may be a pointer that either one of the men’s numbers is wrong or they are the same man, who re-enlisted after his initial year of service, albeit with a different first name; he was:

Robertson, James S; 15730; Sergeant; Pay Office Staff I.Y.; Source: QSA Medal Rolls

The breakdown of the 20th Battalion I.Y. is given as:

20th Battalion (Rough Riders) raised 17 Mar. 1900 in London; disbanded July 1901; perpetuated 23 July 1901 by City of London Imperial Yeomanry (Rough Riders).
72nd (Rough Riders) Company, raised 1900; disbanded 1900
76th (Rough Riders) Company, raised 1900; transferred 1902 to 22nd Battalion
78th (Rough Riders) Company, raised 1900; transferred 1902 to 22nd Battalion
79th (Rough Riders) Company, raised 1900; disbanded 1900
You’ll find an introduction to the I.Y., it’s history etc at http://angloboerwar.com/name-search/1946
Attestation & Discharge papers for the Imperial Yeomanry are not available online anywhere, but are held at the National Archives, Kew, filed by regimental number in document series WO 128 War Office: Imperial Yeomanry, Soldiers' Documents, South African War; 1899-1902.

The record for regimental number 15730 is in piece number:

WO 128/48 War Office: Imperial Yeomanry, Soldiers' Documents, South African War; Regimental Numbers; 15,711 - 15,910; dates 1899-1902.

These attestation & discharge documents don’t normally contain family information, just a soldier’s place of birth, age, and occupation and details of his service.

If you cannot get to Kew your only viable cost effective option to obtain a copy would be to use a professional researcher. If you wish to pursue that option then from the NA’s home page at http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/ select Records > (scroll down) Paying for Research (note the NA’s charges!) > Independent Researchers > select Army etc.

You will find a list of researchers, several with web sites and emails, all charges are plus copies but beware “plus expenses”, the rates for reputable researchers should include their “expenses”, average cost should be £20-£30 /hr.

For a quick source use your browser to search for “military research on line” and one of the first listed should a company, you will also find via the longer route, that offers fixed price packages for some records and a reasonable hourly rate for longer searches.

Post Script

There is an online database of Boer War soldiers at the pay per view site Findmypast that gives some additional information that appears to confirm that John Ainslie Sommerville Robertson did become a sergeant and is listed as being in the 78th Co, 20th Battalion I.Y. References quoted Records of the Rough Riders: McKenzie Rew 277
The National Archives WO128. Imperial Yeomanry, Soldiers' Documents, South African War.

The similar record for James S Robertson also records him as sergeant “Pay Office Imperial Yeomanry”, so appears to add more evidence the two men are one and the same.

Re: John A S Robertson King's South Africa Medal Roll information

Posted: 27 Jul 2012 12:54AM GMT
Classification: Query
I have now obtained copies of the two volumes of the KSA medal Roll for the Imperial Yeomanry available to download free from the National Archives web site as very large pdf files (WO 100/356 Vol 1 147MB & WO 100/357 Vol II 114MB).

Sgt Robertson appears in Vol II (WO 100/357) on pdf file page 226 of 357 (actual Roll page 217) entitled, “Pay Office Staff Imp.Yeo.”

His is the only entry on the page and reads:
Regt.No. 15730; Rank: Sgt.; Name: Robertson J.A.S.; Clasps: South Africa 1901 &1902;
Any other Corps in which served in South Africa: 78th Coy Imp. Yeo. Regt. No.15730;
Remarks: Embarked for S. Africa with 78th Coy 14 April 1900 serving in that Country continuously until discharged in S.A. at own request 8 Mar 1902.

Unlike some former soldiers entries, no address is given in SA, perhaps one appears on his I.Y. discharge document in WO 128.

The QSA Medal Roll for the 19th to 22nd battalions I.Y. is in piece number WO 100/128 but have had problems downloading it so have reported the fault to the NA. It will be worth looking at his entry in the actual QSA Roll as like his entry in the KSA Roll online records don’t show all the details.

Jeff

Re: John A S Robertson 20th battalion imperial yeomanry(rough riders)

Posted: 27 Jul 2012 5:47PM GMT
Classification: Query
thankyou jeff, for your help and for searching for me! i have a subscription to findmypast so have printed out those pages. i cannot get to kew as i am in Ireland so will see which options i choose which you have given me! thankyou again!
regards
John

Re: John A S Robertson 20th battalion imperial yeomanry(rough riders)

Posted: 27 Jul 2012 8:49PM GMT
Classification: Query
Hi John,

Just pleased I could help a little.

The National Archives sent me a direct link to download piece number WO 100/128, the QSA Medal Roll for the 19th to 22nd battalions I.Y. that is actually 2 pdf files. John appears on page 84 of 208 of the first pdf file (page 76 of the actual roll), the page entitled XXth Battalion Imperial Yeomanry Regiment and dated 10 April 1901. His entry reads:

Regimental Number: 15730; Rank: Private; Name Robertson J.A.S.;
..entitled to clasps: Cape Colony, Orange Free State; Remarks 78th Coy I.Y. South Africa.

All you need now is a copy of his enlistment & discharge papers and hope that in addition to his place of birth, his enlistment also gives his address at the time of enlistment and his discharge gives the place in SA where he was discharged.

I don't know if Ancestry have images of the British Army Campaign Medal Rolls from WO 100, but if not I can send you copies of pages from the Queen's & King's SA Medal Rolls that I've quoted from. If you want them contact me at

jeffp DOT h AT bt[No spam]internet DOT com

Change obvious text and remove all spaces and [No spam]

Jeff


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