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Hesse, Germany / Deutschland - AMEND _ Kurhessen - Kroehessen = Kassel?

Hesse, Germany / Deutschland - AMEND _ Kurhessen - Kroehessen = Kassel?

Posted: 19 May 2006 3:16PM GMT
Classification: Query
In two separate incidences I have seen the spelling Kroehessen.
Is Kroehessen actually Kurhessen? Does everyone agree this is accurate? I could not find Kroehessen on a map. Nor could I find Kurhessen, as it is / or was a electorate of Hessen. Not a town. So from what I understand, if some one said the were from the area of Kurhessen they were actually from the northern area of Hesse in or around the town of Kassel....Correct?

In a post on Gen Circles, http://www.gencircles.com/users/robmcc1/1/data/2393
posted by Robert K. McConeghy III, I find:

Bernard Amend
Birth: 7 Feb 1824 in Kroehessen ?, Hessen-Kassel, Germany
Death: 23 May 1909 in Clermont, Sergeant Twp, McKean Co, PA
Sex: M


Also Known As: Bernhardt Amend
Census: 1860, 1870, 1880, 1900
Burial: Clermont Cemetery, Clermont, Sergeant Twp, Mckean, PA
Update: 30 Aug 2003 gravestone photo data


Margaret Hafner (Wife) b. 13 Apr 1830 in Hessen-Kassel, Germany
Marriage: 1853
Children:

1. DescendantsJohn Amend b. About 1856 in Jones Township, Elk Co, PA ?
2. DescendantsJacob Amend b. Jun 1858 in Jones Township, Elk Co, PA ?
3. Louis Amend b. 8 May 1860 in Jones Township, Elk Co, PA ?
4. DescendantsAlmina Amend b. About 1862 in Clermont, McKean, PA ?
5. DescendantsElmena Amend b. About 1864 in Clermont, McKean, PA ?
6. Ph. Amend b. 3 Jul 1867 in Clermont, Sergeant Twp, McKean Co, PA
7. DescendantsTheresa Amend b. Apr 1870 in Clermont, Sergeant Twp, Mckean, PA ?
8. Martin Amend b. 7 Oct 1875 in Clermont, McKean, PA
9. Phillip Amend b. After 1876 in PA

According to a post on the Hesse list Archives 2006
http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/isearch2

by Diether:

The German name of the state is Hessen,
in English most often it is called Hesse, so two names for the same area.

Kassel (or Cassel, old spelling) is a city in the northern part of Hesse.
Hessen-Kassel was the northern area of today's Hesse, ruled by a landgrave, who resided in the city of Kassel.

In 1803 the landgrave became a Kurfuerst (elector) and therefore Hessen -
Kassel became an electorate (Kurfuerstentum or Kurhessen). Here the old German word Kur has the meaning choose, (not a sporting activity).

In 1866 Hessen - Kassel was occupied by Prussia and became part of Prussia (Preußen in German).

Other Hessian areas which you may encounter are
Hessen - Darmstadt, the ruler, a grand duke, resided in the city of
Darmstadt Hessen - Homburg, the ruler, again a landgrave, resided in the town of Homburg Hessen - Nassau

You see, there were many territorial changes over time and it is really
important to mention the time in order to give an exact location."

By Sonja:
Is probably simply a misspelling of the word "Kur" Hessen,
which means the electorate of Hessen, which is, of course, not a town.

by David
Kurhessen - The old Holy Roman Empire elected the Emperor (Kaiser). The
nobles that were part of the College of Princes and therefore allowed to
vote were called Kurfürst.

So: "KOER"Hessen = "Kur"hessen = electorate of Hessen = Kassel (or Cassel, old spelling) is a city in the northern part of Hesse.

Re: Hesse, Germany / Deutschland - AMEND _ Kurhessen - Kroehessen = Kassel?

Posted: 20 May 2006 4:23PM GMT
Classification: Query
Good morning Kurt -

I would say it was a misspelling based upon a heard phoentic. Koerhesse, Khurhesse, etc.

I have two scanned maps of Hessen, from the book Geschichte des Landes Hessen that were color coded for me by Clem Schreiber. I still use them - but I scanned that as a huge file...I can send them to folks if they would like them...just e-mail me off list ok??

Rod Fleck

Re: Hesse, Germany / Deutschland - AMEND _ Kurhessen - Kroehessen = Kassel?

Posted: 20 May 2006 4:23PM GMT
Classification: Query
Good morning Kurt -

I would say it was a misspelling based upon a heard phoentic. Koerhesse, Khurhesse, etc.

I have two scanned maps of Hessen, from the book Geschichte des Landes Hessen that were color coded for me by Clem Schreiber. I still use them - but I scanned that as a huge file...I can send them to folks if they would like them...just e-mail me off list ok??

Rod Fleck

Map of Hessen_Kassel_Hessen_Darmstadt

kurt (View posts)
Posted: 20 May 2006 11:29PM GMT
Classification: Query
Rod,
Thanks for the map of Hessen_Kassel and Hessen_Darmstadt dated 1789 colored by Clem Schreiber. Including the present day map.
As we disscussed, I am posting them to the Amend Board in this posting. I hope I have reduced them in size enough to fit on the board.
Very interesting.
I see now that they were not consolidated to just a specific area. Can you tell us why? Perhaps I can get and understanding of the maps better.
Best regards
Kurt
Attachments:

AMEND Kurpfalz (UNTER PFLAZ) family VS. Hessen_Kassel_Hessen_Darmstadt

kurt (View posts)
Posted: 21 May 2006 1:09AM GMT
Classification: Query
Hello everyone,
I was also wondering if anyone has made any connections to the Kurpfalz (UNTER PFLAZ) AMEND family and Amend families from Hesse? Especially from Hessen-Darmstadt or Hessen-Kassel. Does anyone know what the Kurpfalz is and does it compare to Hessen-Darmstadt or Hessen-Kassel?
Thanks
Kurt
Ps. I have also enclosed to the board a Kurpfalz map for your reference.
Attachments:

Re: Map of Hessen_Kassel_Hessen_Darmstadt

Posted: 21 May 2006 4:38PM GMT
Classification: Query
Kurt -

You have been busy!

Hey, the reason for the fragmented lands was the agreed upon division over time between the various houses of Hesse. In addition, over time the families married and other lands were brought into the holding...

Here is a really simplified outline of the Hessen history -- Note that some of the other territories were associated with the three main branches, but were areas that were given a distinct name. KurHessen for example, is roughly the same area as Hessen-Nassau on the map that Clem colored.

Real "Hessen" starts in 1509 with Landgrave Philip
a. Religious history buffs will remember Philip as being one of the nobles that introduced Lutheranism and the Reformation into Hessen.
b. He died in 1567 and did the typical German noble thing -- divide and confuse your heirs
1) Philip left three sons so the will divided the Landgrave into three areas
a) Hessen-Kassel
b) Hessen-Darmstadt
c) Hessen-Marburg
2) Unfortunately, by the end of W.W.I Hessen would be divided into about six distinct territories - the three above and
a) Hessen-Nassau
b) Kurhessen
c) Oberhessen
d) Rhein-Hessen
e) Waldeck
3. Should be no surprise to deduce that Hessen was a major battle field during the Thirty Years War (1618-1648), the destruction that resulted from that war did not spare the heart of Germany. Remember that estimates are that up to 1/3rd of the population of Germany was killed as a result of this war. Many parts of Hessen have "settlements" that arose during this period...actually a friend in the area said that it should be called "resettlements."
4. The Hessian noble that many genealogists are familiar with is the Landgrave Frederick II of Hessen-Kassel who sold his subjects, at 15 pound sterling a head, to England as soldiers to fight against our "patriots." Many Hessians decided to stay here in America during and after the war.
5. In 1806, Hessen (as a whole) was overran by Emperor Napoleon who decided that these former territories would make a nice kingdom for his brother Jerome. Therefore, he created the Kingdom of Westphalia.
a. Capital was Kassel
b. Territory included parts of:
1) Brunswick
2) Hannover
6. Some of the famous of Hessen includes the Grimm Brothers
a. Childhood was spent with their family in Steinau an der Strasse (one of my ancestral villages). They lived here for a few years, before going to school.
b. They are mostly known for their collection of folk tales that many of us grew up on. However, they also started the process of collecting and writing a German Dictionary. It was not completed, though had many volumes, when they both died.
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