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Posted: 30 Nov 2004 4:52AM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Brunner
My Brunner ancestor was Elias Brunner, the younger son of Joseph of the Schifferstadt Brunners. I would like to have any family history or stories about any of my family line. Thanks!

Re: Family Stories

Posted: 30 Nov 2004 5:43AM GMT
Classification: Query
Edited: 1 Dec 2004 12:00PM GMT
Surnames: Bruner, Brunner
My ancestor is also Elias, son of Joseph, through Elias' son Stephen.
I, too, would love to hear (read) anything concerning this part of the Brunner/Bruner family.
Shirley

Re: Family Stories

Jackie Regan (View posts)
Posted: 30 Nov 2004 3:39PM GMT
Classification: Query
Edited: 1 Dec 2004 12:01PM GMT
Surnames: Bruner
Shirley,
I too am from Steven's line, through his son John.
Jackie

Re: Family Stories

Posted: 3 Dec 2004 4:36PM GMT
Classification: Query
Edited: 6 Dec 2004 12:02PM GMT
Surnames: Brunner, Bruner, Osborn, Danner, Remsberg, Prey, Cunz
Joseph Brunner and family departed Germany for America in April of 1729, five months following the emigration of his eldest son Jacob.
BIOGRAPHY: The Brunner family arrived in Philadelphia 9/15/1729. They came from
Schrefferstadt, Manein (?), Germany.

BIOGRAPHY: Immigration: 15 SEP 1729 Philadelphia, PA
Note:
aboard ship Allen, which sailed from Rotterdam via Cowes on 7 July
1729

CHRISTENING: Aug 26, 1678 in Gronenbach, Allgau, Bayen, Germany

NATURALIZATION: May 3, 1740 Prince George's County, Maryland
Joseph Bruner was born in Rothenstein, Germany in 1678. He was baptized a short distnace away, about 2 miles in Gronenbach, ath the Reformed Church of Gronenbach on Aug 26, 1678. At the age of 14, he was confirmed in the town of Linden fels, and was working about 6 miles to the northeast in the town of Frankisch-Crumbach, Odenwald.

According to Don Osborn's research, the confirmation record states that Joseph was the son of Heinrich Brunner, deceased inhabitant of Schifferstadt (located in the Palatinate or "Pfalz" of modern Germany, eight Kilometers northwest of Speyer on the Rhine).

It is likely that, as a child, Joseph had lived in Kleinschifferstadt with his father, before he went to Frankisch-Crumbach(of the Odenwald)to work.

At the time of his marriage in 1700, at age 22, Joseph was back in Kleinschifferstadt.

By 1721 he was listed in his daughter Anna Barbara's marriage records as being des Gerichts or "of the court." By 1725 he was an Eltester or "elder" in the Reformed Church of Kleinschifferstadt.

when he was 50 years old, on Jan 31, 1729 five months after his eldest son, jacob, emigrated to america, Joseph requested permission to leave Germany. The manumission documentent states that Joseph Brunner of the Reformed Religion of Kleinschifferstadt, and his wife and four children want to to go to the Island of Pennsylvania. The family traveled down the Rhein to Rotterdam. They embarked on the ship Allen, cleared Cowe on the Island of Wright on July 7 1729, and arrived at Philadelphia in the British colony of Pennsylvania on Sept. 11, 1729.

According to Osborn, Joseph Brunner's residences cannot be proved for the next seven years, until he arrived in Prince George's(now Frederick)County, MD.

Records did show that Joseph's son-in-law, Christian Getzen Danner(m. Anna Barbara Brunner)purchased land in Montgomery County(fromerly Frederick township)near Philadelphia in 1734. Also, that Joseph's youngest daughter, Maria Catharina Brunner served as a baptismal sponsor at the Lancaster Luthern Church, Lancaster Co, Pa, on Dec. 26, 1733. Then on April 13, 1736, Joseph witnessed the wedding of his younger daughter, Maria Catharina, to Spehpen Remsberg in Lancaster Co. Pa.

If one follows the migration trail of the "Great Indian War path" route that started in Philadelphia and ended in Chattanooga, TN, it passes through the cities of Lancaster, York, and Gettsburg PA, then curves south to Frederick,MD., where it intersects with the national Road heading west-north west from Baltimore to Chillicothe, OH.

Osborn speculates that Joseph's arrival in Frederick occurred between the dates his daughters were sponsors of baptisms in Lancaster (April 13, 1736) and the dates they sponsored the baptism of Anna Maria Prey at Monocacy, May 16, 1736.

On July 28, 1746, Joseph Brunner received a deed for 303 acres of land named "Sheverstadt" in the deed, in honor of the town in Germany where he married and his children were born. The price was 10 pounds. Speculation continues whether Joseph built a first home prior to the two story stone house that remains today as a museum of German Architecture, or whether his son, Elias, who purchased the property from his father on Jan 17, 1753 built the stone house. It is generally believe that the house was built(completed?) in 1756 and that Elias probably contributed the larger effort in its erection.

Joseph's name is found on one additional document, a deed of release on the Keller's property, dated Feb 7, 1753. Osborn says this is the last record he found concerning Joseph.

Joseph's wife, Catharina Elisabetha predeceased her husband, but no record is found. Her name is absent in the document that transferred the Schifferstadt property to their son, Elias in 1753.

In his book "Joseph Brunner of Rothenstein, Schifferstadt, and Frederick", Don Osborn concluded the section on Joseph with a wonderful quote from a book by Dieter Cunz. "The Maryland Germans" (Kennikat Press, 1972, p. 429):

He(Joseph) was on of the many German settlers of Frederick count's Monocacy area who "wished to have freedom to pray to God in the mannerto which they were accustomed, instead of having to unlearn their catechisms every time there was a new incumbent on the throne in the ducal palace. They came because they wanted freedom to buy and sell land; to cultivate it or let it lie fallow as they saw fit without having to follow the instructions of a feudal overseer." Among the Germans who settled alogside Joseph Brunner in Western Maryland, "only a few were familiar with Thomas Jefferson's definitiion of freedom and democracy. The deducated among actually saw the gleaming light; the blind, ignorant masses only felt its warmth. But they all came because they dreamt the dream of all wanderers seekin homes, and because they hoped that the New World would grant them what the Old World had denied: the right to pursue happiness."

Sources:
1. Abbrev: BRUNNER,Joseph-Baptism 1678
Title: Joseph Brunner of rothenstein, Schifferstatd, and
Frederick
Author: Donald Lewis Osborn
Publication: Published by the Author in Lee's Summit, MO, in
1991
Respository Name: wood McCann Files
Page:11
Quality: 4
Text: Gronenbach(Germany) Reformed church record book No II, p.
117, entry Nor. 392. This book includes baptisms,
marriages, and deaths recorded between 1650-1691.
2. Abbrev: BRUNNER, Joseph-Emigration
Title: Protocol of the Court Chamber of the Bishop of Speyer
Publication: The manumission document was located in the Sate
Archives of Baden Germany, p. 61 unpaginated,
volume 12214
Repository Name: Wood McCann Files
Note: Osborn, Joseph Brunner, p. 21
3. Abbrev: BRUNNER, Joseph-Nauturalization
Title: Commission Record 1733-1773
Publication: Maryland State Archives, Hall of Records
in Annapolis, MD
Repository Name: Wood McCann Files
Page: pp. 80-81
Quality: 3
Note: Sourced from Don Osborn, Joseph Brunner p. 22
4. Abbrev: BRUNNER, Joseph-Land Purchase
Publication: Prince George's County, Maryland Deed Book BB NO
1, pp. 444-445, originally recording in the Hall
of Records, Annapolis, MD, with a photocopy
found in the Prince George's County Circut Court
Clerk's office, Upper Marlboro, MD
Reposity Name: Wood McCann Files
Note: Sourced from both books by Osborn, Knowing the Bruners
(p. 14), and Joseph Bruner p. 23
5. Abbrev: Klein Schifferstadt Reformed Church Book
Title: Births, Baptisms, Confirmations, Marriages, Burials
from 1692-1731
Publication: Church Book No. III, pps. various, now located
in the Protestant Church Archives, Speyer, Rhein,
Germany
Note: Don Osborn reports that a copy of this church book is
located on microfilm at the LDS Family History Library,
Salt Lake City, Utah.
Repository Name: Osborn, Donald Lewis, Lee's Summit, Missouri
Note: Don Lewis Osborn has published two books on the Bruners
His first is "Knowing the Bruners" published by the
author in 1968, and "Joseph Brunner of Rothenstein,
Schifferstadt, and Frederick", published by the author in
1991. Both books are in Wood McCann's Library. Mr.
Osborn's Bruner documentation facts, obtained over some
30 plus years of research, are with comparison.

Sources: He states( n footnotes to his later book on pp. 11
and 16 respectively) that he has a full photo copy of the
Groenbach Reformed Church Record Book, and the Iggelheim
(Kleinshifferstadt) Reformed Church Book.
Note: Sourced from Osborn, Joseph Bruner p. 16

Re: Family Stories

Posted: 3 Dec 2004 4:38PM GMT
Classification: Query
Edited: 6 Dec 2004 12:03PM GMT
Surnames: Bruner, Wendel, Haller
BIOGRAPHY: Too young to be recorded in the sources available to siblings, Elias first important record is the purchase of his father's Schifferstadt farm of 303 acres on 17 Jan 1753 at age 29. The purchase price was "Two hundred Pounds Current money of Maryland."

Born in 1723 in Germany. Family story has it that his mother died during his birth. He then came to America with his father in 1729. He was deeded land in 1753 by his father in Maryland. He died in 1783 and his will was probated on November 17, 1783 at Frederick County, Maryland. It listed his wife and two sons. RELIGION: [German] Reformed Church of Frederick
sponsor: Elias Wendel and his wife Maria Magdalena Haller

Re: Family Stories

Jackie Regan (View posts)
Posted: 7 Dec 2004 11:19PM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Brunner; Bruner
Thanks so much Tina!! I did not have some of this info!
Jackie
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