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ALABAMA PLANTATIONS

Posted: 1 Feb 2010 9:58AM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Shorter
I am seeking help for the plantation owed by Eli Shorter about 1850.My great grandfather was named Eli Shorter also.It was in the Eastern Division Barbour Alabama.Thanks.

Re: ALABAMA PLANTATIONS

Posted: 17 Jul 2010 5:43PM GMT
Classification: Query
Edited: 14 Jan 2012 4:53AM GMT
Hello Florence,

Several websites contain photos of the Eli S. Shorter mansion in Eufala, Barbour County, Alabama, but information accompanying the photo notes the house was built in 1884. Wikipedia has a photo which you can view at:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Shorter_Mansion.jpg

A photo of the Shorter mansion can also be found at the Eufaula Heritage Association website, which you can access at:: http://www.eufaulapilgrimage.com/

This residence was built by the son of Eli Sims Shorter Sr., whose name was also Eli Sims Shorter II.. Eli Sr., I believe, would be the man who held your Shorter ancestors in bondage before the end of the American Civil War in 1865. My questions would be, was there an earlier Shorter residence on this spot where the Shorter slaves were held, and did Eli Sr. keep plantation records which may name these slaves, and if so, where are these records now?

The Eufaula Heritage Association may know the answers to these questions. For contact information go to the Association website at: http://www.eufaulapilgrimage.com/

You can also contact the Eufaula Carneige Library to see if they may also have information about Eli Sims Shorter, Sr., and where his slave quarters may have been located before the Civil War. Contact information follows:


Eufaula Carneige Library
217 N. Eufaula Avenue,
Eufaula, AL 36027

Phone: 334-687-2337

Website: www.ecl.lib.al.us
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The State of Alabama Department of Archives and History may also have information about whether or not Eli Shorter Sr., had a plantation, and whether or not he left plantation record behind. Contact information for the Archives can be found at: http://www.archives.alabama.gov/


CENSUS RECORDS


In 1850 and 1860 the U.S. government conducted a special census enumerating the numbers of slaves held in the southern states. These enumerations were in addition to the regularly held census enumerations conducted every ten years, beginning in 1790. Unfortunately, personal names of slaves in these “Slave Schedules,” are, for the most part, not given. Slaves are listed by their age, gender, color (ie. Black, Mulatto, etc), and where they living at the time of the census. Also listed is the name of the slave owner, and, in some cases, the number of slave houses the slave owner kept.

As an example, the 1850 slave schedules show that Eli S. Shorter kept 44 slaves in a location listed as “Division No 23,” Barbour County, Alabama. The oldest of these slaves is a 65 year old female, the youngest a baby female not yet 1 year old. The number of slave houses is not given in this enumeration. The census was conducted on September 20, 1850 by the county’s Assistant Marshal, Jack Hardman.

It’s possible your Eli Shorter may have been among the slaves in this census, though there is no way of conforming that from the slave schedule itself.

The transcription of the Shorter 1850 slave schedule is from the Ancestry.com subscription website, which digitized the original records kept by the National Archives and Records Administration.

Please see below:


1850 U.S. Federal Census - Slave Schedules


SCHEDULE 2.-Slave Inhabitants in Division No 23 in the County of Barbour State
of Alabama, enumerated by me on the 20th day of September, 1850. Jack Hardman, Ass't Marshal


Name of Slave Owner: Eli S. Shorter


Age, Gender, Race, Name of Slave Owner, Home in 1850


65, Female, Black, Eli S Shorter, Division 23, Barbour, Alabama
60, Female, Black, Eli S Shorte,r Division 23, Barbour, Alabama
60, Female Black Eli S Shorter, Division 23, Barbour, Alabama
50, Male, Black, Eli S Shorter, Division 23, Barbour, Alabama
50, Male, Black, Eli S Shorter,, Division 23, Barbour, Alabama
50, Male, Black, Eli S Shorter, Division 23, Barbour, Alabama
40, Female, Black, Eli S Shorter, Division 23, Barbour, Alabama
35, Female, Black, Eli S Shorter, Division 23, Barbour, Alabama
35, Female, Black, Eli S Shorter, Division 23, Barbour, Alabama
35, Female, Black, Eli S Shorter, Division 23, Barbour, Alabama
35, Male, Black, Eli S Shorter, Division 23, Barbour, Alabama
30, Female, Black, Eli S Shorter, Division 23, Barbour, Alabama
30, Male, Black, Eli S Shorter, Division 23, Barbour, Alabama
30, Male, Black, Eli S Shorter, Division 23, Barbour, Alabama
28, Female, Black, Eli S Shorter, Division 23, Barbour, Alabama
28, Female, Black, Eli S Shorter, Division 23, Barbour, Alabama
28, Female, Black, Eli S Shorter, Division 23, Barbour, Alabama
21, Female, Black, Eli S Shorter, Division 23, Barbour, Alabama
20, Female, Black, Eli S Shorter, Division 23, Barbour, Alabama
20, Male, Black, Eli S Shorter, Division 23, Barbour, Alabama
18, Female, Black, Eli S Shorter, Division 23, Barbour, Alabama
18, Male, Black, Eli S Shorte,r Division 23, Barbour, Alabama
15, Female, Black, Eli S Shorter, Division 23, Barbour, Alabama
15, Male, Black, Eli S Shorter, Division 23, Barbour, Alabama
15, Male, Black, Eli S Shorter, Division 23, Barbour, Alabama
14, Female, Black, Eli S Shorter, Division 23, Barbour, Alabama
12, Male, Black, Eli S Shorter, Division 23, Barbour, Alabama
6, Female, Black, Eli S Shorter, Division 23, Barbour, Alabama
6, Female, Mulatto, Eli S Shorter, Division 23, Barbour, Alabama
6, Male, Black, Eli S Shorter, Division 23, Barbour, Alabama
5, Male, Black, Eli S Shorter, Division 23, Barbour, Alabama
5, Male, Black, Eli S Shorter, Division 23, Barbour, Alabama
4, Female, Black, Eli S Shorter, Division 23, Barbour, Alabama
3, Female, Black, Eli S Shorter, Division 23, Barbour, Alabama
3, Male, Black, Eli S Shorter, Division 23, Barbour, Alabama
2, Female, Mulatto, Eli S Shorter, Division 23, Barbour, Alabama
2, Female, Black, Eli S Shorter, Division 23, Barbour, Alabama
2, Male, Black, Eli S Shorter, Division 23, Barbour, Alabama
1, Female, Black, Eli S Shorter, Division 23, Barbour, Alabama
1, Female, Mulatto, Eli S Shorter, Division 23, Barbour, Alabama
1, Female, Black, Eli S Shorter, Division 23, Barbour, Alabama
1, Female, Black, Eli S Shorter, Division 23, Barbour, Alabama
1, Male, Black, Eli S Shorter, Division 23, Barbour, Alabama
0, Female, Black, Eli S Shorter, Division 23, Barbour, Alabama


Source Information:

Ancestry.com. 1850 U.S. Federal Census - Slave Schedules [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA:
Ancestry.com Operations Inc, 2004.

Original data: United States of America, Bureau of the Census. Seventh Census of the United States, 1850.
Washington, D.C.: National Archives and Records Administration, 1850. M432, 1,009 rolls.
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Next, I wanted to see if I could find Eli S. Shorter in the 1850 census of free inhabitants of Barbour County, Alabama.

I located him and his family living in Division No. 23, Barbour County. Division No. 23 is the same location where the slaves were living. The census shows that Eli S. Shorter is a 26 year old lawyer, whose real estate holdings, as of 1850, were worth $13,000. His birthplace is listed as “Georgia.” The census also shows that he had been married during the previous year. In the household with him is his wife, 21 year old Marietta, also born Georgia. The census notes she had been married within the past year. The household also includes 2 year old Anna Shorter, born Alabama. The 1850 census does not give relationships of people in the household, to the head of the household, but Anna, I’d say, would be the daughter of Eli and Marietta. The transcription below is from the HertiageQuest and Ancestry.com websites:


1850 United States Federal Census


SCHEDULE 1.-Free Inhabitants in Division No 23 in the County of Barbour State
of Alabama enumerated by me, on the 20th day of Sept 1850. Jack Hardman Ass't Marshal


Name, Age, Sex, Color, Occupation, Value of Real Estate Owned, Place of Birth, Attended School within the year,
Married within the year, Person over 20 yr's of age who cannot read & write

Eli S Shorter, 26, Male, Lawyer, $13000, Geo, Married within the year
Marietta Shorter, 21, Female, Geo, Married within the year
Anna Shorter, 2, Female, Ala,

Source Citation: Year: 1850; Census Place: Division 23, Barbour, Alabama; Roll M432_1; Page: 115B; Image: 334.
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Before moving on to the 1860 slave schedules, I wanted to see if I could find more information about Eli S. Shorter and his family. I located a marriage index for him, showing that he and Marietta Fannin were married in La Grange, Troup County, Georgia, on January 12, 1848. The index also shows that Eli’s parents were Reuben C. Shorter and Martha Gill.

The index comes from the Latter Day Saints (LDS) International Genealogical Index (IGI). The index however, does not come with source information, and so I’m not sure how accurate it is:


ELI SIMS SHORTER
Male

Event(s):
Birth:
Christening:
Death:
Burial:

Parents:
Father: REUBEN C. SHORTER
Mother: MARTHA GILL

Marriages:
Spouse: MISS MARIETTA FANNIN
Marriage: 12 JAN 1848 La Grange, Troup, Georgia
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I located another index at the LDS website showing that Eli Sims Shorter, Sr. was born in Monticello, Jasper County, Georgia, on March 15, 1823. His parents are listed as Reuben C. Shorter and Martha Gill. The index also shows Eli died on April 29, 1879, but does not say where his death occurred. Again, no source information accompanies the index:


ELI SIMS SHORTER SR.
Male

Event(s):
Birth: 15 MAR 1823 Monticello, Jasper, Georgia

Christening:
Death: 29 APR 1879

Burial:

Parents:
Father: REUBEN C. SHORTER
Mother: MISS MARTHA GILL

Messages:
Record submitted after 1991 by a member of the LDS Church. No additional information is available.
Ancestral File may list the same family and the submitter.
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Next, I found the LDS birth indexes for several more children of Reuben C. Shorter and Martha Butler Gill. All of the births are listed as having taken place in Jasper, Georgia. Most of the indexes also include death dates for the person. I also included the birth index for Eli Sims Shorter again so that you could see the chronology of the births. These indexes may not represent all of the children that Reuben and Martha Gill Shorter had:


Emily Frances Shorter
Female

Event(s):
Birth: 15 AUG 1816 , Jasper, Georgia

Christening:
Death: 1839

Burial:

Parents:
Father: Reuben Clark Shorter
Mother: Martha Butler Gill

Messages:
Record submitted after 1991 by a member of the LDS Church. No additional information is available.
Ancestral File may list the same family and the submitter.
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JOHN GILL SHORTER
Male

Event(s):
Birth: 23 APR 1818 Monticello, Jasper, Georgia

Christening:
Death: 29 MAY 1872

Burial:

Parents:
Father: REUBEN CLARKE SHORTER
Mother: MARY BUTLER GILL

Messages:
Record submitted after 1991 by a member of the LDS Church. No additional information is available.
Ancestral File may list the same family and the submitter.
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Sarah Elizabeth Shorter
Female

Event(s):
Birth: 04 SEP 1819 Monticello, Jasper, Georgia

Christening:
Death:
Burial:

Parents:
Father: Reuben Clark Shorter
Mother: Martha Butler Gill


Messages:
Record submitted after 1991 by a member of the LDS Church. No additional information is available.
Ancestral File may list the same family and the submitter.
____


ELI SIMS SHORTER SR.
Male

Event(s):
Birth: 15 MAR 1823 Monticello, Jasper, Georgia

Christening:
Death: 29 APR 1879

Burial:

Parents:
Father: REUBEN C. SHORTER
Mother: MISS MARTHA GILL

Messages:
Record submitted after 1991 by a member of the LDS Church. No additional information is available.
Ancestral File may list the same family and the submitter.
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Samson Slaughter OR Samuel Shorter
Male

Event(s):
Birth: 23 AUG 1824 Monticello, Jasper, Georgia

Christening:
Death: 29 OCT 1840 Eufaula, Barbour, Alabama

Burial:

Parents:
Father: Reuben Clark Shorter
Mother: Martha Butler Gill

Messages:
Record submitted after 1991 by a member of the LDS Church. No additional information is available.
Ancestral File may list the same family and the submitter.
____


Reuben Clark II Shorter
Male

Event(s):
Birth: 22 JAN 1825 Monticello, Jasper, Georgia

Christening:
Death: 14 MAY 1853 , Montgomery, Alabama

Burial:

Parents:
Father: Reuben Clark Shorter
Mother: Martha Butler Gill

Messages:
Record submitted after 1991 by a member of the LDS Church. No additional information is available.
Ancestral File may list the same family and the submitter.
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William James Shorter
Male

Event(s):
Birth: 28 OCT 1826 , Jasper, Georgia

Christening:
Death: 1839

Burial:

Parents:
Father: Reuben Clark Shorter
Mother: Martha Butler Gill

Messages:
Record submitted after 1991 by a member of the LDS Church. No additional information is available.
Ancestral File may list the same family and the submitter.
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Mary Butler Shorter
Female

Event(s):
Birth: 08 OCT 1828 , Jasper, Georgia

Christening:
Death: 1914

Burial:

Parents:
Father: Reuben Clark Shorter
Mother: Martha Butler Gill

Messages:
Record submitted after 1991 by a member of the LDS Church. No additional information is available.
Ancestral File may list the same family and the submitter.
____


Laura Mariah Shorter
Female

Event(s):
Birth: 09 JUL 1836 , Jasper, Georgia

Christening:
Death: NOV 1886 Campbell,Or,De Kalb Or, Atlanta, Fulton, Georgia

Burial:

Parents:
Father: Reuben Clark Shorter
Mother: Martha Butler Gill

Messages:
Record submitted after 1991 by a member of the LDS Church. No additional information is available.
Ancestral File may list the same family and the submitter.
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The next record I located, which does come with source information, is the index of marriage for Reuben C. Shorter and Mary B. Gill, who were married in Jasper, Georgia, on May 31, 1812. Not a lot of information is contained in the index, but the marriage can be found in LDS microfilm number 158442, which contains Jasper County, Georgia marriage records for the years 1808-1901. This microfilm can be ordered from your local Family History Center.

The index below is from the LDS search engine found at the Record Search Pilot, which can be accessed from www.familysearch.org

Please see below:


Groom's Name: Reuben C. Shorter

Groom's Birth Date:
Groom's Birthplace:
Groom's Age:

Bride's Name: Mary B. Gill

Bride's Birth Date:
Bride's Birthplace:
Bride's Age:

Marriage Date: 31 May 1812
Marriage Place: Jasper, Georgia

Groom's Father's Name:
Groom's Mother's Name:
Bride's Father's Name:
Bride's Mother's Name:
Groom's Race:
Groom's Marital Status:
Groom's Previous Wife's Name:
Bride's Race:
Bride's Marital Status:
Bride's Previous Husband's Name:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M74388-9
System Origin: Georgia-EASy
Source Film Number: 158442
Reference Number:
Collection: Revolutionary War Pension and Bounty Land Warrant Applications Files
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To read a genealogical narrative written in 1899 about the white Shorter family of Georgia and Alabama, go to the following website: http://www.usgennet.org/usa/al/county/barbour/surnames/elish...

Getting back to census records I found R.C. Shorter in the 1840 census for Barbour County, Alabama. I believe R.C. Shorter would be Eli’s father, Reuben C. Shorter. Census returns before 1850 do not contain the names of family members, but only the names of the heads of the households. Family members in the household are counted by age and gender, and also by color.

The 1840 census shows that R.C. Shorter owned 15 slaves of various ages. The census also shows there are 12 members of R.C. Shorter’s family of various ages. The transcription below is from Ancestry.com:


Barbour County, Alabama

(NO 4.) SCHEDULE of the whole number of persons within the division allotted to John McNab by the Marshal of the Southern District (or Territory) of Alabama


NAMES OF HEADS OF FAMILIES: R C Shorter

FREE WHITE PERSONS, INCLUDING HEADS OF FAMILIES

MALES

Under 5: 2
5 & under 10: 1
10 & under 15: 1
15 & under 20: 1
20 & under 30: 1

50 & under 60: 1


FEMALES

Under 5: 1
5 & under 10:1
10 & under 15: 1
15 & under 20: 1

40 & UNDER 50: 1


FREE COLORED PERSONS

0


SLAVES

MALES


Under 5: 3
5 & under 10: 2
10 & under 15: 1
15 & under 20: 1
20 & under 30: 1


FEMALES

Under 10: 2
10 & under 14: 1
24 & under 36: 2
36 & under 55: 1
55 & under 100: 1

Total all persons: 27

Persons Employed in Manufacture and Trade: 2


Source Citation: Year: 1840; Census Place: , Barbour, Alabama; Roll 48; Page: 1; Image: 101; Family History Library Film: 0002332.
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As seen earlier in the 1850 slave schedules, Eli S. Shorter had owned 44 slaves. I next searched for him in the 1860 slave schedules and found that he had almost doubled the amount of slaves he owned, to 80. The ages of slaves range from the oldest at 80, to 1 years old. The 1860 census shows that the slaves were housed in 20 slave houses:

The Ancestry.com transcription follows:


Page No. 41

SCHEDULE 2.-Slave Inhabitants in The Eastern Division in the County of Barbour State
of Alabama, enumerated by me, on the 18h day of July, 1860. Jack H Hardman Ass't Marshal



Name of Slave Owner: Eli S. Shorter

No of Slave houses: 20


Age Gender Race Name of Slave Owner Home in 1860

60 Female Eli S Shorter Eastern Division, Barbour, Alabama
60 Female Eli S Shorter Eastern Division, Barbour, Alabama
60 Male Eli S Shorter Eastern Division, Barbour, Alabama
60 Eli S Shorter Eastern Division, Barbour, Alabama
55 Male Eli S Shorter Eastern Division, Barbour, Alabama
50 Male Eli S Shorter Eastern Division, Barbour, Alabama
45 Male Eli S Shorter Eastern Division, Barbour, Alabama
45 Eli S Shorter Eastern Division, Barbour, Alabama
45 Female Eli S Shorter Eastern Division, Barbour, Alabama
40 Male Eli S Shorter Eastern Division, Barbour, Alabama
38 Male Eli S Shorter Eastern Division, Barbour, Alabama
35 Female Eli S Shorter Eastern Division, Barbour, Alabama
35 Female Eli S Shorter Eastern Division, Barbour, Alabama
35 Female Eli S Shorter Eastern Division, Barbour, Alabama
35 Male Eli S Shorter Eastern Division, Barbour, Alabama
35 Female Eli S Shorter Eastern Division, Barbour, Alabama
35 Female Black Eli S Shorter Eastern Division, Barbour, Alabama
35 Male Eli S Shorter Eastern Division, Barbour, Alabama
32 Eli S Shorter Eastern Division, Barbour, Alabama
30 Eli S Shorter Eastern Division, Barbour, Alabama
30 Male Eli S Shorter Eastern Division, Barbour, Alabama
28 Male Eli S Shorter Eastern Division, Barbour, Alabama
28 Male Eli S Shorter Eastern Division, Barbour, Alabama
28 Female Eli S Shorter Eastern Division, Barbour, Alabama
25 Female Eli S Shorter Eastern Division, Barbour, Alabama
24 Eli S Shorter Eastern Division, Barbour, Alabama
23 Female Eli S Shorter Eastern Division, Barbour, Alabama
23 Eli S Shorter Eastern Division, Barbour, Alabama
22 Eli S Shorter Eastern Division, Barbour, Alabama
20 Eli S Shorter Eastern Division, Barbour, Alabama
20 Female Eli S Shorter Eastern Division, Barbour, Alabama
20 Female Eli S Shorter Eastern Division, Barbour, Alabama
18 Eli S Shorter Eastern Division, Barbour, Alabama
18 Male Eli S Shorter Eastern Division, Barbour, Alabama
18 Eli S Shorter Eastern Division, Barbour, Alabama
18 Female Eli S Shorter Eastern Division, Barbour, Alabama
17 Male Eli S Shorter Eastern Division, Barbour, Alabama
17 Female Eli S Shorter Eastern Division, Barbour, Alabama
16 Eli S Shorter Eastern Division, Barbour, Alabama
14 Male Eli S Shorter Eastern Division, Barbour, Alabama
14 Eli S Shorter Eastern Division, Barbour, Alabama
13 Male Eli S Shorter Eastern Division, Barbour, Alabama
12 Female Eli S Shorter Eastern Division, Barbour, Alabama
10 Male Eli S Shorter Eastern Division, Barbour, Alabama
10 Eli S Shorter Eastern Division, Barbour, Alabama
10 Male Eli S Shorter Eastern Division, Barbour, Alabama
9 Eli S Shorter Eastern Division, Barbour, Alabama
9 Female Eli S Shorter Eastern Division, Barbour, Alabama
9 Eli S Shorter Eastern Division, Barbour, Alabama
8 Female Eli S Shorter Eastern Division, Barbour, Alabama
8 Male Black Eli S Shorter Eastern Division, Barbour, Alabama
8 Eli S Shorter Eastern Division, Barbour, Alabama
8 Female Eli S Shorter Eastern Division, Barbour, Alabama
7 Eli S Shorter Eastern Division, Barbour, Alabama
7 Female Eli S Shorter Eastern Division, Barbour, Alabama
7 Eli S Shorter Eastern Division, Barbour, Alabama
6 Female Eli S Shorter Eastern Division, Barbour, Alabama
6 Eli S Shorter Eastern Division, Barbour, Alabama
5 Eli S Shorter Eastern Division, Barbour, Alabama
4 Female Eli S Shorter Eastern Division, Barbour, Alabama
4 Female Eli S Shorter Eastern Division, Barbour, Alabama
4 Male Eli S Shorter Eastern Division, Barbour, Alabama
4 Eli S Shorter Eastern Division, Barbour, Alabama
4 Eli S Shorter Eastern Division, Barbour, Alabama
4 Eli S Shorter Eastern Division, Barbour, Alabama
4 Male Eli S Shorter Eastern Division, Barbour, Alabama
4 Eli S Shorter Eastern Division, Barbour, Alabama
4 Male Eli S Shorter Eastern Division, Barbour, Alabama
3 Eli S Shorter Eastern Division, Barbour, Alabama
3 Eli S Shorter Eastern Division, Barbour, Alabama
2 Male Eli S Shorter Eastern Division, Barbour, Alabama
2 Female Eli S Shorter Eastern Division, Barbour, Alabama
2 Male Eli S Shorter Eastern Division, Barbour, Alabama
2 Male Eli S Shorter Eastern Division, Barbour, Alabama
2 Male Eli S Shorter Eastern Division, Barbour, Alabama
2 Female Eli S Shorter Eastern Division, Barbour, Alabama
1 Female Eli S Shorter Eastern Division, Barbour, Alabama
1 Eli S Shorter Eastern Division, Barbour, Alabama
1 Eli S Shorter Eastern Division, Barbour, Alabama
1 Male Eli S Shorter Eastern Division, Barbour, Alabama

Ancestry.com. 1860 U.S. Federal Census - Slave Schedules [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA:
Ancestry.com Operations Inc, 2004.

Original data: United States of America, Bureau of the Census. Eighth Census of the United States,
1860. Washington, D.C.: National Archives and Records Administration, 1860. M653, 1,438 rolls.

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On the same page as Eli S. Shorter, is the slave schedule for a John G. Shorter. His full name I believe, would be John Gill Shorter, whose LDS birth index was seen earlier. The 1860 census shows that John G. Shorter owned 10 slaves and three slave houses.

The Ancestry.com transcription follows:


Name of Slave Owner: John G. Shorter

No of Slave houses: 3


Age, Gender, Race, Name of Slave Owner, Home in 1860

55 John G Shorter Eastern Division, Barbour, Alabama
45 Female Black John G Shorter Eastern Division, Barbour, Alabama
37 John G Shorter Eastern Division, Barbour, Alabama
35 Mulatto John G Shorter Eastern Division, Barbour, Alabama
35 Black John G Shorter Eastern Division, Barbour, Alabama
23 John G Shorter Eastern Division, Barbour, Alabama
22 John G Shorter Eastern Division, Barbour, Alabama
14 John G Shorter Eastern Division, Barbour, Alabama
14 John G Shorter Eastern Division, Barbour, Alabama
12 Mulatto John G Shorter Eastern Division, Barbour, Alabama

Ancestry.com. 1860 U.S. Federal Census - Slave Schedules [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA:
Ancestry.com Operations Inc, 2004.

Original data: United States of America, Bureau of the Census. Eighth Census of the United States,
1860. Washington, D.C.: National Archives and Records Administration, 1860. M653, 1,438 rolls.
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I also found an H.R. Shorter in the 1860 slave schedules showing that he owned 38 slaves and five slave houses.

The Ancestry.com transcription is below:


Page No. 7

SCHEDULE 2.-Slave Inhabitants in The Eastern Division in the County of Barbour State
of Alabama, enumerated by me, on the 15th day of June, 1860. Jack H Hardman Ass't Marshal



Name of Slave Owner: H R Shorter

No of Slave houses: 5

Age, Gender, Race, Name of Slave Owner, Home in 1860

65 Female Black H R Shorter Eastern Division, Barbour, Alabama
45 Male Black H R Shorter Eastern Division, Barbour, Alabama
40 Female H R Shorter Eastern Division, Barbour, Alabama
40 Male Black H R Shorter Eastern Division, Barbour, Alabama
40 Female Mulatto H R Shorter Eastern Division, Barbour, Alabama
35 Male Black H R Shorter Eastern Division, Barbour, Alabama
35 Male Mulatto H R Shorter Eastern Division, Barbour, Alabama
33 Male H R Shorter Eastern Division, Barbour, Alabama
30 Female Black H R Shorter Eastern Division, Barbour, Alabama
30 Female Mulatto H R Shorter Eastern Division, Barbour, Alabama
30 Female Mulatto H R Shorter Eastern Division, Barbour, Alabama
28 Female H R Shorter Eastern Division, Barbour, Alabama
25 Male H R Shorter Eastern Division, Barbour, Alabama
21 Female H R Shorter Eastern Division, Barbour, Alabama
20 Female H R Shorter Eastern Division, Barbour, Alabama
20 Male H R Shorter Eastern Division, Barbour, Alabama
20 Male Black H R Shorter Eastern Division, Barbour, Alabama
19 Male H R Shorter Eastern Division, Barbour, Alabama
19 Female Black H R Shorter Eastern Division, Barbour, Alabama
19 Female Black H R Shorter Eastern Division, Barbour, Alabama
16 Male H R Shorter Eastern Division, Barbour, Alabama
15 Male Black H R Shorter Eastern Division, Barbour, Alabama
13 Female H R Shorter Eastern Division, Barbour, Alabama
12 Male Black H R Shorter Eastern Division, Barbour, Alabama
12 Male Mulatto H R Shorter Eastern Division, Barbour, Alabama
12 Male Mulatto H R Shorter Eastern Division, Barbour, Alabama
11 Male Black H R Shorter Eastern Division, Barbour, Alabama
10 Male H R Shorter Eastern Division, Barbour, Alabama
8 Male H R Shorter Eastern Division, Barbour, Alabama
8 Female Black H R Shorter Eastern Division, Barbour, Alabama
6 Male H R Shorter Eastern Division, Barbour, Alabama
6 Male Mulatto H R Shorter Eastern Division, Barbour, Alabama
4 Female H R Shorter Eastern Division, Barbour, Alabama
4 Male H R Shorter Eastern Division, Barbour, Alabama
4 Male Black H R Shorter Eastern Division, Barbour, Alabama
3 Male Black H R Shorter Eastern Division, Barbour, Alabama
3 Male H R Shorter Eastern Division, Barbour, Alabama
1 Male Black H R Shorter Eastern Division, Barbour, Alabama

Ancestry.com. 1860 U.S. Federal Census - Slave Schedules [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA:
Ancestry.com Operations Inc, 2004.

Original data: United States of America, Bureau of the Census. Eighth Census of the United States,
1860. Washington, D.C.: National Archives and Records Administration, 1860. M653, 1,438 rolls.
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Next is the 1860 Barbour County slave schedule for Mary B. Sorter, noting that she owned 22 slaves and 5 slave houses:


Page No. 15

SCHEDULE 2.-Slave Inhabitants in The Eastern Division in the County of Barbour State
of Alabama, enumerated by me, on the 20th day of June, 1860. Jack Hardman Ass't Marshal


Name of Slave Owner: Mary B Shorter

No of Slave houses: 5


Age, Gender, Race, Name of Slave Owner, Home in 1860

65 Female Black Mary B Shorter Eastern Division, Barbour, Alabama
50 Female Black Mary B Shorter Eastern Division, Barbour, Alabama
45 Female Black Mary B Shorter Eastern Division, Barbour, Alabama
40 Female Black Mary B Shorter Eastern Division, Barbour, Alabama
36 Female Black Mary B Shorter Eastern Division, Barbour, Alabama
35 Male Black Mary B Shorter Eastern Division, Barbour, Alabama
30 Male Black Mary B Shorter Eastern Division, Barbour, Alabama
28 Female Black Mary B Shorter Eastern Division, Barbour, Alabama
28 Male Black Mary B Shorter Eastern Division, Barbour, Alabama
27 Female Black Mary B Shorter Eastern Division, Barbour, Alabama
25 Male Black Mary B Shorter Eastern Division, Barbour, Alabama
24 Female Black Mary B Shorter Eastern Division, Barbour, Alabama
15 Male Black Mary B Shorter Eastern Division, Barbour, Alabama
14 Female Black Mary B Shorter Eastern Division, Barbour, Alabama
12 Male Black Mary B Shorter Eastern Division, Barbour, Alabama
7 Female Black Mary B Shorter Eastern Division, Barbour, Alabama
6 Male Black Mary B Shorter Eastern Division, Barbour, Alabama
6 Female Black Mary B Shorter Eastern Division, Barbour, Alabama
5 Male Black Mary B Shorter Eastern Division, Barbour, Alabama
3 Female Black Mary B Shorter Eastern Division, Barbour, Alabama
2 Male Black Mary B Shorter Eastern Division, Barbour, Alabama
1 Female Black Mary B Shorter Eastern Division, Barbour, Alabama

Ancestry.com. 1860 U.S. Federal Census - Slave Schedules [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA:
Ancestry.com Operations Inc, 2004.

Original data: United States of America, Bureau of the Census. Eighth Census of the United States,
1860. Washington, D.C.: National Archives and Records Administration, 1860. M653, 1,438 rolls.
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I then found Eli S. Shorter and Marietta Shorter and children in the 1860 census of free inhabitants living in the Eastern Division of Barbour County, Alabama. The census shows that Eli was an attorney born in Georgia. The value of his real estate in 1860 is $80,000, while the value of his personal estate is $75,000. The post office address for the family is Eufaula:


Page No. 72}

Schedule 1.-Free Inhabitants in The Eastern Division in the County of Barbour State
of Alabama enumerated by me, on the 18th day of July, 1860. Jack Hardman Ass't Marshal.

Post Office: Eufaula


Name, Age, Sex, Color, Occupation, Value of Real Estate, Value of Personal Estate, Place of Birth, Married within the year, Attended School Within the Year

Eli S Shorter, 37, Male, Atty at Law, $80,000, $75,000, Ga
Marietta Shorter, 27, Female, Ga
William Shorter, 9, Male, Ala, Attended School Within the Year
Anna Shorter, 11, Female, Ala, Attended School Within the Year
Clemens Shorter, 4, Male, Ala
Eli Shorter, 2, Male, Ala

Source Citation: Year: 1860; Census Place: Eastern Division, Barbour, Alabama; Roll M653_1; Page: 350;
Image: 351; Family History Library Film: 803001.
____


The household before Eli Shorter in the 1860 census of free inhabitants of Barbour County, is that of John B. Shorter. I believe this actually refers to John Gill Shorter. Either the census taker, Mr. Hardman, had written John’s middle initial incorrectly, or I couldn’t decipher the middle initial properly due to the enumerator’s handwriting. You‘ll notice that John‘s occupation was judge of the court and that, like Eli Shorter, he had considerable real estate and personal estate holdings. Like Eli, John was also born in Georgia, as was his 34 year old wife Margaret:


Name, Age, Sex, Color, Occupation, Value of Real Estate, Value of Personal Estate, Place of Birth, Married within the year, Attended School Within the Year

John B Shorter, 42, Male, Judge of Court, $45,000, $125,000, Ga
Margaret Shorter, 34, Female, Ga
Mary Shorter, 6, Female, Ala
____


POST CIVIL WAR SHORTERS


The first record I located that I believe may pertain to your Ely Shorter, is the 1866 State of Alabama census for Barbour County. This census, called “Schedule 2, Colored Population,” only gives the name of the head of the household. In this case the head of the household is “Ely” S. Shorter. The members of his family, much like federal census returns before 1850, are enumerated by age and gender. The census shows there are four males of various ages and two females in the household. One of the males counted in the enumeration would be “Ely” himself.

The 1866 Alabama State Census, from Ancestry.com, follows:


Schedule No. 2 COLORED POPULATION.

RETURN OF THE CENSUS OF 1866 FOR BARBOUR COUNTY, ALABAMA


Name: Ely S. Shorter


Males


Under 10 years: 1

10 to 20: 1

20 to 30: 1

30 to 40:

40 to 50:

50 to 60: 1

60 to 70:

70 to 80:

80 to 90:

90 to 100:


Total Males: 4


Females

Under 10 years:

10 to 20: 1

20 to 30:

30 to 40:

40 to 50: 1

50 to 60:

60 to 70:

70 to 80:

80 to 90:

90 to 100:


Total Females: 2

Total Colored Population: 6


Source Information:

Ancestry.com. Alabama State Census, 1820-1866 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations Inc, 2009. This collection was indexed by Ancestry.com World Archives Project contributors.

Original data: Alabama State Census, 1820, 1850, 1855 and 1866. Montgomery, Alabama: Alabama Department of Archives & History. Rolls M2004.0008-M2004.0012, M2004.0036-M2004.0050, and M2008.0124.
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Enumerated on the same page of the 1866 Alabama census for the colored population of Barbour County, and just previous to Ely S. Shorter, is “Jno” (John) Gill Shorter. The census shows that in the household are three males and 1 female. Note that Gill was the maiden name of the mother of the white Eli S. Shorter. His mother was Martha Gill Shorter.

The Ancestry.com transcription for the 1866 Alabama State Census for John Gill Shorter, follows:


Name: Jno Gill Shorter


Males

Under 10 years:

10 to 20: 1

20 to 30: 1

30 to 40:

40 to 50: 1

50 to 60:

60 to 70:

70 to 80:

80 to 90:

90 to 100:


Total Males: 3



Females

Under 10 years:

10 to 20:

20 to 30:

30 to 40: 1

40 to 50:

50 to 60:

60 to 70:

70 to 80:

80 to 90:

90 to 100:


Total Females: 1


Total Colored Population: 4


Source Information:

Ancestry.com. Alabama State Census, 1820-1866 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations Inc, 2009. This collection was indexed by Ancestry.com World Archives Project contributors.

Original data: Alabama State Census, 1820, 1850, 1855 and 1866. Montgomery, Alabama: Alabama Department of Archives & History. Rolls M2004.0008-M2004.0012, M2004.0036-M2004.0050, and M2008.0124.
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The same 1866 Alabama State Census page for the colored population of Barbour County, also includes the enumeration for Ginett Shorter:


Name: Ginett Shorter


Males

Under 10 years:

10 to 20:

20 to 30:

30 to 40:

40 to 50:

50 to 60:

60 to 70:

70 to 80:

80 to 90:

90 to 100:


Total Males:


Females

Under 10 years:

10 to 20: 1

20 to 30:

30 to 40: 1

40 to 50:

50 to 60:

60 to 70:

70 to 80:

80 to 90:

90 to 100:


Total Females: 2


Total Colored Population: 2


Source Information:

Ancestry.com. Alabama State Census, 1820-1866 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations Inc, 2009. This collection was indexed by Ancestry.com World Archives Project contributors.

Original data: Alabama State Census, 1820, 1850, 1855 and 1866. Montgomery, Alabama: Alabama Department of Archives & History. Rolls M2004.0008-M2004.0012, M2004.0036-M2004.0050, and M2008.0124.
____


There are also three other black heads of household Shorters enumerated in the 1866 Alabama State Census for Barbour County. These include Lewis Shorter, Silas Shorter, and Mrs. Mary B. Shorter, They may have been related to your Eli Shorter:


Schedule No. 2 COLORED POPULATION.

RETURN OF THE CENSUS OF 1866 FOR BARBOUR COUNTY, ALABAMA


Name: Lewis Shorter


Males

Under 10 years: 1

10 to 20: 1

20 to 30:

30 to 40:

40 to 50: 1

50 to 60:

60 to 70:

70 to 80:

80 to 90:

90 to 100:


Total Males: 3


Females

Under 10 years: 1

10 to 20: 2

20 to 30:

30 to 40: 1

40 to 50:

50 to 60:

60 to 70:

70 to 80:

80 to 90:

90 to 100:

Total Females: 4


Total Colored Population: 4


Source Information:

Ancestry.com. Alabama State Census, 1820-1866 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations Inc, 2009. This collection was indexed by Ancestry.com World Archives Project contributors.

Original data: Alabama State Census, 1820, 1850, 1855 and 1866. Montgomery, Alabama: Alabama Department of Archives & History. Rolls M2004.0008-M2004.0012, M2004.0036-M2004.0050, and M2008.0124.
____


Schedule No. 2 COLORED POPULATION.

RETURN OF THE CENSUS OF 1866 FOR BARBOUR COUNTY, ALABAMA

Name: Silas Shorter


Males

Under 10 years: 2

10 to 20: 2

20 to 30: 1

30 to 40:

40 to 50:

50 to 60:

60 to 70:

70 to 80:

80 to 90:

90 to 100:


Total Males: 5



Females

Under 10 years:

10 to 20: 2

20 to 30: 1

30 to 40: 1

40 to 50:

50 to 60:

60 to 70:

70 to 80:

80 to 90:

90 to 100:

Total Females: 4


Total Colored Population: 9


Source Information:

Ancestry.com. Alabama State Census, 1820-1866 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations Inc, 2009. This collection was indexed by Ancestry.com World Archives Project contributors.

Original data: Alabama State Census, 1820, 1850, 1855 and 1866. Montgomery, Alabama: Alabama Department of Archives & History. Rolls M2004.0008-M2004.0012, M2004.0036-M2004.0050, and M2008.0124.
____


Schedule No. 2 COLORED POPULATION.

RETURN OF THE CENSUS OF 1866 FOR BARBOUR COUNTY, ALABAMA


Name: Mrs. Mary B. Shorter


Males

Under 10 years:

10 to 20:

20 to 30:

30 to 40:

40 to 50:

50 to 60:

60 to 70:

70 to 80:

80 to 90:

90 to 100:


Total Males: 0


Females

Under 10 years:

10 to 20: 1

20 to 30:

30 to 40:

40 to 50:

50 to 60:

60 to 70:

70 to 80:

80 to 90:

90 to 100:

Total Females: 1


Total Colored Population: 1


Source Information:

Ancestry.com. Alabama State Census, 1820-1866 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations Inc, 2009. This collection was indexed by Ancestry.com World Archives Project contributors.

Original data: Alabama State Census, 1820, 1850, 1855 and 1866. Montgomery, Alabama: Alabama Department of Archives & History. Rolls M2004.0008-M2004.0012, M2004.0036-M2004.0050, and M2008.0124.
____


I also found the white “Ely” S. Shorter in the 1866 Alabama State Census for the white population of Barbour County:


Schedule No. 1 WHITE POPULATION.

RETURN OF THE CENSUS OF 1866 FOR BARBOUR COUNTY, ALABAMA


Name: Ely S. Shorter


Males


Under 10 years: 2

10 to 20: 1

20 to 30:

30 to 40:

40 to 50: 1

50 to 60:

60 to 70:

70 to 80:

80 to 90:

90 to 100:


Total Males: 4


Females

Under 10 years:

10 to 20: 2

20 to 30:

30 to 40: 1

40 to 50:

50 to 60:

60 to 70:

70 to 80:

80 to 90:

90 to 100:


Total Females: 3

Total White Population: 7


Source Information:

Ancestry.com. Alabama State Census, 1820-1866 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations Inc, 2009. This collection was indexed by Ancestry.com World Archives Project contributors.

Original data: Alabama State Census, 1820, 1850, 1855 and 1866. Montgomery, Alabama: Alabama Department of Archives & History. Rolls M2004.0008-M2004.0012, M2004.0036-M2004.0050, and M2008.0124.
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Enumerated on the same page as Ely Shorter, is John Gill Shorter. I believe they were brothers:


Name: John Gill Shorter


Males


Under 10 years:

10 to 20:

20 to 30:

30 to 40:

40 to 50:

50 to 60: 1

60 to 70:

70 to 80:

80 to 90:

90 to 100:


Total Males: 1



Females

Under 10 years:

10 to 20: 1

20 to 30: 2

30 to 40:

40 to 50:

50 to 60: 1

60 to 70:

70 to 80:

80 to 90:

90 to 100:


Total Females: 4

Total White Population: 5


Source Information:

Ancestry.com. Alabama State Census, 1820-1866 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations Inc, 2009. This collection was indexed by Ancestry.com World Archives Project contributors.

Original data: Alabama State Census, 1820, 1850, 1855 and 1866. Montgomery, Alabama: Alabama Department of Archives & History. Rolls M2004.0008-M2004.0012, M2004.0036-M2004.0050, and M2008.0124.
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The following year, 1867, a “colored” man named Eli Shorter registered as a voter in Barbour County. His voter registration record can be found at the Alabama State Archives link at: http://www.archives.alabama.gov/voterreg/images/6_V3_PG46.pd...

Information about voter registration in Alabama in 1867, go to the following link:
http://www.archives.alabama.gov/voterreg/index.cfm


I next located the person who may be you Eli Shorter and his family in the 1870 U.S. census living in Barbour County, Alabama, with a post office address of Eufaula. Eli Shorter is listed as a 22 year old black man whose occupation is farm hand. His place of birth is Alabama. The census shows that he cannot read or write. In the household with him is 20 year old Lena Shorter. She may be Eli’s wife. Unlike future census returns, the 1870 enumeration does not give relationships of people to the head of the household.

Also in residence with Eli and Lena Shorter is 23 year old Henry Allen, also working as a farm hand and also born in Alabama. He cannot read or write. He is listed as a male citizen of the U.S. 21 years of age and upward:


1870 United States Federal Census


Page No. 90}

Schedule 1.-Inhabitants in T. 11 Range 29, in the County of Barbour State
of Alabama, enumerated by me on the 15th day of July 1870. John Bassett, Ass't Marshal

Post Office: Eufaula, Ala


Name, Age, Sex, Color, Occupation, Value of Real Estate, Value of Personal Estate, Father of Foreign Birth, Mother of Foreign Birth, Cannot Read, Cannot Write, Male Citizen of U.S. 21 years of age and upwards

Eli Shorter, 22, Male, Black, Farm Hand, Ala, Cannot Read, Cannot Write, Male Citizen of U.S. 21 years of age and upwards
Lena Shorter, 20, Female, Black, Keeping House, Ala, Cannot Read, Cannot Write
Henry Allen, 23, Male, Black, Farm Hand, Ala, Cannot Read, Cannot Write, Male Citizen of U.S. 21 years of age and upwards
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The household immediately following Ely and Lena Shorter, is that of 36 year old Ned Shorter, a black man whose occupation is farm hand, and who was born in Alabama. He could not read or write. In the household with him is 25 year old Mary Shorter, who is shown to be keeping house. She too was born in Alabama and could not read or write:


Ned Shorter, 36, Male, Black, Farm Hand, Ala, Cannot Write, Male Citizen of U.S. 21 years of age and upwards
Mary Shorter, 25, Female, Black, Keeping House, Ala, Cannot Read, Cannot Write

Source Citation: Year: 1870; Census Place: Township 11 Range 29, Barbour, Alabama; Roll M593_2; Page: 166B;
Image: 706; Family History Library Film: 545501.
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The next search involved looking for the black Eli Shorter in in the 1880 U.S. census for Barbour County, Alabama. It was a surprise to find that the 1880 census shows there were two black Eli Shorters and their families living in Barbour County--one family in Hawkinsville and one in Spring Hill. I don’t know which Eli Shorter would be your direct ancestor, but perhaps both are, as one of the Eli Shorters is 15 years old than the other.

The first transcription of the 1880 census below (from the Latter Day Saints website at www.familysearch.org), shows that 32 year old Eli Shorter is a farmer who was born in Alabama. His wife is 28 year old Cisey Shorter, also born Alabama. Their five children were also born in Alabama. This Shorter family was living in Hawkinsville, Barbour County, Alabama when the census was taken.


Please see below:


Household:

Name, Relation, Marital Status, Gender, Race, Age, Birthplace, Occupation, Father's Birthplace, Mother's Birthplace

Eli SHORTER Self M Male B 32 AL Farmer AL AL
Cisey SHORTER Wife M Female B 28 AL Farm Laborer AL AL
William SHORTER Son S Male B 11 AL At School AL AL
James SHORTER Son S Male B 9 AL At School AL AL
Eli SHORTER Son S Male B 5 AL AL AL
Mary SHORTER Dau S Female B 3 AL AL AL
SHORTER Son S Male B 6M AL AL AL

Source Information:
Census Place Hawkinsville, Barbour, Alabama
Family History Library Film 1254002
NA Film Number T9-0002
Page Number 105B
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Next is the 1880 census transcription for the Eli Shorter family living in Spring Hill, Barbour County, Alabama. This census shows that 47 year old Eli Shorter was a farmer born in Georgia. His wife is 30 year old Letta Shorter, born Alabama, but whose parents were born in Georgia. Eli and Letta’s five children in the census, were born in Alabama:


Household:

Name, Relation, Marital Status, Gender, Race, Age, Birthplace, Occupation, Father's Birthplace, Mother's Birthplace

Eli SHORTER Self M Male B 47 GA Farmer GA GA
Letta SHORTER Wife M Female B 30 AL Keeping House GA GA
Melvina SHORTER Dau S Female B 13 AL Laborer GA AL
Nicy SHORTER Dau S Female B 9 AL GA AL
Milly SHORTER Dau S Female B 7 AL GA AL
Betty SHORTER Dau S Female B 5 AL GA AL
Lilly SHORTER Dau S Female B 3 AL GA AL

Source Information:
Census Place Spring Hill, Barbour, Alabama
Family History Library Film 1254002
NA Film Number T9-0002
Page Number 159B
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I located yet a third black farmer named Eli Shorter in the 1880 census. But this 28 year old Eli Shorter and his wife 22 year old wife Amanda, and their two children, were living in Hillardsville, Henry County, Alabama. Henry County is the county just south of Barbour, on the Georgia border:


Household:

Name, Relation, Marital Status, Gender, Race, Age, Birthplace, Occupation, Father's Birthplace, Mother's Birthplace

Eli SHORTER Self M Male B 28 AL Farmer --- ---
Amanda SHORTER Wife M Female B 22 AL Keeping House --- ---
Doner SHORTER Dau S Female B 2 AL --- ---
Thomas G. SHORTER BroL S Male B 8 AL Cook --- ---

Source Information:
Census Place Hilliardsville, Henry, Alabama
Family History Library Film 1254016
NA Film Number T9-0016
Page Number 698A
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I hope that at least some of this information is what you have been looking for.

Best Wishes,

Dave Boylan

Re: ALABAMA PLANTATIONS

Posted: 13 Sep 2010 7:03AM GMT
Classification: Query
Hi DaveBoylan,
I am sorry it took me so long in getting back to you.I have hit many brick walls and had to take a break.Thank you so muck for the info.I know all the Eli S. Shorter's were slave owners.The Eli Shorter's were slaves.And I believe the Shorter's had their slave owners names.I still would like for you to help me with my research.I have many.You may e-mail me if you like.
Thanks

Re: ALABAMA PLANTATIONS

Posted: 13 Sep 2010 9:32PM GMT
Classification: Query
You're welcome Florence.

Feel free to write with any further questions you may have.

Best Wishes,

Dave

Re: ALABAMA PLANTATIONS

Posted: 28 Oct 2010 8:46PM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Shorter, Williams, Hill
Thanks for all this wonderful information. My ancestor were slaves on the Shorter Plantation. My great grandfather was a remarkable man.

Here is a link with a brief biography....
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=95...

God Bless you!

Re: ALABAMA PLANTATIONS

Posted: 6 Nov 2010 12:57PM GMT
Classification: Query
You're welcome Lady Divine. The Rev Dr. Williams sounds like he was a remarkable man. You and your family must be very proud of him.

Thank you for sending the information about him.

With Very Best Wishes,

Dave

Re: ALABAMA PLANTATIONS

Posted: 12 Jul 2011 8:29PM GMT
Classification: Query
WOW!!! Thank you so much for the incredible information you've provided. I am currently trying to build my family tree and excited about locating my branch! You definatley made a big dent in my search. Being a novice, I was able to find things but not as much as you have provided. Again, Thanks so much!

Djuna Shorter

Re: ALABAMA PLANTATIONS

Posted: 14 Jul 2011 12:11AM GMT
Classification: Query
You're welcome Djuna.

Very Best Wishes,

Dave

Re: ALABAMA PLANTATIONS

Posted: 13 Jan 2012 11:28PM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Hall
David your research was a tremendous help > I am now hopefully able to follow those databases and research my family who were also slaves from Eufuala and sailed to Liberia West Africa from Savannah Georgia in 1865. I ahve their names from the ship manifest, The Golconda. I have never been able to trace who were their owners and the plantation they came from.My great grandfather was Macon Hall and he was about 10 when he left on the ship with his parents and siblings. I will try those search engines you used and hope to discover the final link. Thank you!

Re: ALABAMA PLANTATIONS

Posted: 15 Jan 2012 4:49PM GMT
Classification: Query
Edited: 15 Jan 2012 5:00PM GMT
Hello Jarsea,

Many thanks for your kind reply.

Based on the information you supplied, I located three slave holders named Hall in Barbour County, Alabama in the 1860 U.S. Federal Census Slave Schedules, at Ancestry.com

One of these men may have held your Hall ancestors in bondage before they were free.

The first enumeration below shows that a John W. Hall kept 10 slaves, quartered in 2 slave houses in the Eastern Division of Barbour County, Alabama. Unfortunately the names of the slaves are not given in the census, which was enumerated on August 7, 1860 by the assistant marshal, Jack Hardman.

Please see below:


Page No. 64

SCHEDULE 2.-Slave Inhabitants in The Eastern Division in the County of Barbour State
of Alabama, enumerated by me, on the 7th day of August, 1860. Jack Hardman Ass't Marshal


Name of Slave Owner: John W. Hall

No of Slave houses: 2


Age Gender

65 Female
50 Male
40 Male
40 Female
20 Male
30 Female
10 Male
11 Male
7 Female
3 Female
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I then located John W. Hall and his family in the 1860 census of free inhabitants in Barbour County, with a Post Office Address of Eufaula. In this enumeration you'll see that John’s real estate holdings are valued at $1,800, while his personal estate is worth $12,000, a large sum of money for the time period.

The census also shows that John and his wife Mary were born in South Carolina, but that their 9 children were born in Alabama:


Page No. 114}

Schedule 1.-Free Inhabitants in The Eastern Division in the County of Barbour State
of Alabama enumerated by me, on the 7th day of August, 1860. Jack Hardman Ass't Marshal.

Post Office: Eufaula

Name, Age, Sex, Color, Occupation, Value of Real Estate, Value of Personal Estate, Place of Birth, Married within the year, Attended School Within the Year
John W Hall, 48, Male, Farmer, $1800, $12,000, S.C.
Mary O Hall, 49, Female, S.C.
Wm W Hall, 21, Male, Farm Hand, Ala
Mary A Hall, 24, Female, Ala
Jane T Hall, 19, Female, Ala
Almira Hall, 18, Female, Ala
Frances Hall, 16, Female, Ala
Irvin G Hall, 15, Male, Ala
John W Hall, 13, Male, Ala, Attended School Within the Year
Ella E Hall, 12, Female, Ala, Attended School Within the Year
Linson H Hall, 10, Male, Ala, Attended School Within the Year
Alex Johnson, 24, Male, Laborer, S.C.

Source Citation: Year: 1860; Census Place: Eastern Division, Barbour, Alabama; Roll: M653_1; Page: 392; Image: 393; Family History Library Film: 803001.
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Next is the 1860 slave schedule for R.G. Hall. His slaves were held in a land division known as Beats No. 3 & 12, Barbour County, Alabama. The census shows that R.G. Hall’s 24 slaves were quartered in 4 slave houses. I don’t believe Beats 3 & 12 of Barbour County were situated in Eufaula, but they would not have been far away

This enumeration was conducted by assistant marshal C.M. Tompkins on September 15, 1860.


Page No. 66 & 67

SCHEDULE 2.-Slave Inhabitants in Beats No 3 & 12 in the County of Barbour State
of Alabama, enumerated by me, on the 15th day of September, 1860. C.M. Tompkins Ass't Marshal


Name of Slave Owner: R.G. Hall

No of Slave houses: 4

Age Gender


38 Male

36 Male

30 Male

17 Male

14 Male

9 Male

7 Male

4 Male

2 Male

1 Male

1 Male

42 Female

38 Female

25 Female

22 Female

20 Female

14 Female

12 Female

9 Female

7 Female

4 Female

4 Female

3 Female

1 Female
____


Below is the 1860 census of free inhabitants for the family of Robert G. Hall. He would be the slave holder mentioned in the above record. The census for Robert shows that the Post Office Address for him and his family is Midway, Alabama, and so, his slaves were likely quartered in Midway too. Notice that he has considerable cash values in the in his real estate and personal estate holdings:


Page No. 157 & 158}

Schedule 1.-Free Inhabitants in Beat No. 3 in the County of Barbour State
of Alabama enumerated by me, on the 15th day of September, 1860. H.M. Tompkins Ass't Marshal.

Post Office: Midway


Name, Age, Sex, Color, Occupation, Value of Real Estate, Value of Personal Estate, Place of Birth, Married within the year, Attended School Within the Year

Robt G Hall, 40, Male, Farmer, $10,800, $25,000, Ga
Sarah R Hall, 38, Female, Ga
John R Hall, 16, Male, Ga, Attended school within the year
Mathew W Hall, 14, Male, Ga, Attended school within the year
Samuel T Hall, 11, Male, Ala, Attended school within the year
Mary E Hall, 9, Female, Ala, Attended school within the year
George R Hall, 1, Male, Ala
____


The family enumerated just after Robert G. Hall, on Page 158 of the census, is that of 55 year old Mathew Hall and his family. Mathew, who was born in Georgia, also has considerable real estate and personal estate holdings, as you’ll notice in the enumeration below. His Post Office Address is also Midway, Alabama:


Page No. 158


Name, Age, Sex, Color, Occupation, Value of Real Estate, Value of Personal Estate, Place of Birth, Married within the year, Attended School Within the Year

Mathew Hall, 55, Male, Farmer, $23,000, $30,000, Geo
Alpha Hall, 45, Female, Geo
John F. Hall, 16, Male, Geo, Attended school within the year
Frank Hall, 16, Male, Ala, Attended school within the year
Sarah E. Hall, 14, Female, Ala, Attended school within the year
Palestine Hall, 11, Female, Ala, Attended school within the year

Source Citation: Year: 1860; Census Place: Beat 3, Barbour, Alabama; Roll: M653_1;
Page: 617; Image: 620; Family History Library Film: 803001.
____


Below is the 1860 slave schedule for the 28 slaves owned by Mathew Hall. The slaves were quartered in 6 slave houses in Beats No 3 & 12, Barbour County:


Page No. 67

SCHEDULE 2.-Slave Inhabitants in Beats No 3 & 12 in the County of Barbour State
of Alabama, enumerated by me, on the 17th day of September, 1860. C.M. tompkins Ass't Marshal


Name of Slave Owner: Mathew Hall

No of Slave houses: 6


Age Gender

60 Male

35 Male

26 Male

23 Male

21 Male

13 Male

23 Male

21 Male

16 Male

14 Male

12 Male

9 Male

7 Male

5 Male

8 Male

6 Male

2 Male

51 Female

45 Female

30 Female

30 Female

26 Female

25 Female

18 Female

5 Female

1 Female

10 Female

5 Female

____


I also found that a man named H.D. Clayton held slaves in trust for a miner child named C.K. Hall. The location of these slaves is in Clayton, Barbour County:


Page No. 1 Western Division

SCHEDULE 2.-Slave Inhabitants in Clayton Beat 9 in the County of Barbour State
of Alabama, enumerated by me, on the 2nd day of June, 1860. H.M. Tompkins Ass't Marshal


Name of Slave Owner: H.D. Clayton in trust for C.K. Hall, minor

No of Slave houses: 2


Age Gender

24 Male

19 Female

12 Male

10 Male

8 Male

1 Male Mulatto
____


You can see where Midway and Clayton were located, in reference to Eufaula, on a Google Map at: http://tinyurl.com/7dvsjgz

Midway can be found northwest of Eufaula along Routes 6 and 82. Clayton is due west of Eufaula, along Route 30.


Next I located 8 people named Hall in the 1866 Alabama State Census of the “Colored Population” of Barbour County, Alabama. Only the heads of households are named in the census returns. Members of a person’s family in this census are listed by age and gender only, unfortunately.

The names of the heads of households in the 1866 census are below. If there is any one of special interest to you in the census, please let me know and I’ll go back to the census for that person to see how many males and females are in the household with him or her. Those named in the census would have been aged 21 years or older.

The 1866 census is from Ancestry.com:


Alabama State Census, 1820-1866


D Hall Colored (Black) 1866 Barbour

J W Hall Colored (Black) 1866 Barbour

Matthew Hall Colored (Black) 1866 Barbour

R.G. Hall Colored (Black) 1866 Barbour

Mrs. R H Hall Colored (Black) 1866 Barbour

Mr. S.T. Hall Colored (Black) 1866 Barbour

Doctor W D Hall Colored (Black) 1866 Barbour

W M Hall Colored (Black) 1866 Barbour

Ancestry.com. Alabama State Census, 1820-1866 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations Inc, 2010. This collection was indexed by Ancestry.com World Archives Project contributors.

Original data: Alabama State Census, 1820, 1850, 1855 and 1866. Montgomery, Alabama: Alabama Department of Archives & History. Rolls M2004.0008-M2004.0012, M2004.0036-M2004.0050, and M2008.0124.
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Next I wanted to see if John W. Hall, RG Hall, and Mathew Hall were slave owner 10 years earlier, in the 1850 U.S. Slave Schedules. I found all three in the 1850 slave schedules at Ancestry.com, though at the time of the search there seems to have been a problem with the Ancestry search engine, and so I’m not sure if I located all the Halls in Barbour County who may have held slaves in 1850.

The census below shows that John W. Hall owned one, 55 year old female slave in Division No. 23, Barbour County:


1850 U.S. Federal Census - Slave Schedules


SCHEDULE 2.-Slave Inhabitants in Division No. 23 in the County of Barbour State
of Alabama, enumerated by me, on the 24th day of October, 1850. Jack Hardman, Ass't Marshal


Name of Slave Owner: John W. Hall

55 Female Black

Ancestry.com. 1850 U.S. Federal Census - Slave Schedules [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations Inc, 2004.

Original data: United States of America, Bureau of the Census. Seventh Census of the United States, 1850. Washington, D.C.: National Archives and Records Administration, 1850. M432, 1,009 rolls.
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Next are the individual slave schedules for R.G. Hall, who owned 10 slaves, and Matthew Hall, who owned 20 slaves. Like John W. Hall, these slaves were living in Division No. 23, Barbour County. You’ll notice that the youngest slave that Matthew Hall owned was 2 months old:


1850 U.S. Federal Census - Slave Schedules


SCHEDULE 2.-Slave Inhabitants in Division No. 23 in the County of Barbour State
of Alabama, enumerated by me, on the 9th day of October, 1850. Jack Hardman, Ass't Marshal


Name of Slave Owner: R.G. Hall


29 Female Black

27 Female Black

25 Male Black

22 Male Black

12 Female Black

12 Female Black

4 Female Black

4 Female Black

2 Female Black

2 Female Black

Ancestry.com. 1850 U.S. Federal Census - Slave Schedules [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations Inc, 2004.

Original data: United States of America, Bureau of the Census. Seventh Census of the United States, 1850. Washington, D.C.: National Archives and Records Administration, 1850. M432, 1,009 rolls.
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1850 U.S. Federal Census - Slave Schedules


SCHEDULE 2.-Slave Inhabitants in Division No. 23 in the County of Barbour State
of Alabama, enumerated by me, on the 11th day of October, 1850. Jack Hardman, Ass't Marshal

Name of Slave Owner: Matthew Hall



Age Gender

51 Male

18 Male

12 Male

12 Male

10 Male

10 Male

8 Male

3 Male

1 Male

2 M Male

40 Female

35 Female

20 Female

15 Female

15 Female

15 Female

14 Female

14 Female

10 Female

8 Female

Ancestry.com. 1850 U.S. Federal Census - Slave Schedules [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations Inc, 2004.

Original data: United States of America, Bureau of the Census. Seventh Census of the United States, 1850. Washington, D.C.: National Archives and Records Administration, 1850. M432, 1,009 rolls.
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Jarsea, from the 1850 and 1860 slave schedules alone, it’s impossible to tell which one of the Halls had kept your ancestors in bondage. But, because R.G. Hall and Mathew Hall kept the most slaves in Barbour County between the 1850 and 1860 slave schedules, it may have been one of these two men.

I hope this information has been of interest. Once again, thank you for writing.

With Best Wishes for the New Year.

Dave
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