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August Isaak, Sr. b. 1883 Bessarabia

August Isaak, Sr. b. 1883 Bessarabia

Karen Encelewski (View posts)
Posted: 24 Sep 2000 8:38PM GMT
I am looking for information about August Isaak, Sr. b. 2-14-1883 in Tarutino, Bessabia. He married Christina Ziegler (b. 3-12-1883). Their children were:
John
Christian
Fred
Christina
Katherine
August Jr.
Wilhelm (my grandfather)

August Isaak (2-14-1883)

Posted: 26 Dec 2000 11:40AM GMT
Edited: 15 Feb 2002 6:03AM GMT
Hi Karen

Saw your note. Have a copy of a sheet (form 2 -10000=1.39) (??) that gives some info on Auguat Isaak. Perhaps you are working with same data. This is a "Bestandskaartie der Russlanddeutschen" record from LDS film # 1529017.
Will gladly fax to you. Have some other info which also lists an August Isaak but can't locate it at the moment. This does not appear to be my line but looks like what you are after.

If you can give me a fax number I'll send as soon as I get back to the office after Jan 03.

Provide fax number to TECHED@direct.ca

Hope I can help

Ron

Correction to birthdates

Karen Encelewski (View posts)
Posted: 27 Dec 2000 8:19PM GMT
Correction: August was born in 1833 and Christina was born in 1834--not 1883.

Re: August Isaak, Sr. b. 1883 Bessarabia

Posted: 14 Mar 2004 5:18PM GMT
Classification: Query
Dear Karen Encelewski

I have an August Isaak, born February 14th, 1833 in Bessarabia (Dennewitz) (and not 1883!!!). He was married to Christine Ziegler *1834 Beresina/Bessarabia.They went to the US to township 99, Hutchinson County Dakota.

They had children:
John - Christian - Fred (Friedrich) - August - Christina -

Doesnt it look like your August, but only born 50 years earlier.

If you want info about his parents, please contact me.

Best regards
Helmut

Re: August Isaak, Sr. b. 1883 Bessarabia

Karen Encelewski (View posts)
Posted: 22 Mar 2004 7:47AM GMT
Classification: Query
Dear Helmut,

August Isaak, Sr. b. 1883 must be a typo. He was born in 1833, not 1883. He was my great grandfather and I would love to have more information about his parents. I do know their names: Johann b. Aug. 14, 1798, married to Louisa Mueller, b. Nov. 3, 1804 in Schadeck, Poland. Their children were Karl, Johann, Christian, August, Daniel, Fred, Justina and Karolina.

Are you an Isaak? My father is Paul Isaak, son of Wilhelm (William), youngest child of August and Christina. I've met some distant cousins while working on this project. It's been interesting.

Thank you,
Karen

Re: August Isaak, Sr. b. 1883 Bessarabia

Karen Encelewski (View posts)
Posted: 22 Mar 2004 7:47AM GMT
Classification: Query
Dear Helmut,

August Isaak, Sr. b. 1883 must be a typo. He was born in 1833, not 1883. He was my great grandfather and I would love to have more information about his parents. I do know their names: Johann b. Aug. 14, 1798, married to Louisa Mueller, b. Nov. 3, 1804 in Schadeck, Poland. Their children were Karl, Johann, Christian, August, Daniel, Fred, Justina and Karolina.

Are you an Isaak? My father is Paul Isaak, son of Wilhelm (William), youngest child of August and Christina. I've met some distant cousins while working on this project. It's been interesting.

Thank you,
Karen

Re: August Isaak, Sr. b. 1883 Bessarabia

Ettenhuber (View posts)
Posted: 22 Mar 2004 9:58PM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Isaak
Dear Karin

Thanks for your mail.
Well I am not an Isaak myself, but my wife is, her g g grandfather karl and your g grandfather johann were brothers.
And the pop and rock singer Chris Isaak belongs also to that clan of Isaaks from Bessarabia.

So your ggf Johann Isaak was born on Aug 14,1798 in Blaka Poland, or maybe Biala Poland, he died on May 30,1865 in the village of Dennewitz in Bessarabia. He got married to Luise (or Louisa) Muller (or Mueller) in 1821 in the village of Kulm in Bessarabia. He came to Bessarabia, what was Russia and some time also Rumania and what is now the Republic of Moldava (between Russia and Rumania) with his parents from Poland.

His parents were supposedly Andreas Isaak and his wife Anna Luise (or Anna Elisabeth) nee Wittenborg. We do not know yet where they were born, but we suppose somewhere in the Brandenburg region of Northern Germany. He was born between 1751 an 1759 and he died on Aug 20,1835 in Kulm Bessarabia, she must have been born either in 1752 or in 1768 but she also died in Kulm Bessarabia on Aug 4,1825??

The Isaaks must ave left Northern Germany as protestant farmers for economical reasons. As you might know, Poland was divided three times till it disappiered from the maps. And with this Polish Divisions German settlers came into the land and settled there in catholic territory. In about 1814 they must have left Poland because of econimical difficulties and maybe prejudice - whatsoever - we do not know exactly what the reasons for leaving Poland were. but we know that the Russian Tsar and Tsaritsa - after winning territory from the Turks - needed settlers for the south Russian lands. So in about 1814 the first settler from former Poland, Prussia and other German areas came to settle in what was called Bessarabia (named after a Rumanian Walachian prince - not Dragula but Bassarab). They came on food with their horse waggons or even just hand waggons and cultivated the land - like in the wild best and like many Bessarabians did later in the Dakotas.Anyway the Isaaks were among the first settlers of the village of Kulm Bessarabia, Your ggf moved somewhen in the 1835s to Dennewitz Bessarabia and from there the emigrate in the late 90s of the 19th century to the Dakotas.

Johann and Luise Mueller had a bunch of kids (as usual) as far as I have found out: Rosina b. 1824, Karl b. 1825, Johann b. 1828, Christian b. 1830, August b. August b. 2.14.1833, married Oct 13,1855 Christine Ziegler (your line!!), Andreas about 1831, Daniel 1841, Justina 1835, Wilhelmine 1839-40, Karoline 1846, Daniel 1853-18532, Dorothea 1858, Daniel 1860.
Your Isaaks went to Township 99, Hutchinson County, Dakota

August and Christine Zieglers kids were the following:
Johann June 20,1856
Christian Feb 8,1858
Friedrich Oct 31,1859
August Nov 24,1861
Christina Dec 27,1862
Katharina
Wilhem

Thats all what I know. I would be very grateful if I could get any information aubout the above mentioned children of August Isaak and Christine Ziegler

Bye and auf wiedersehen
Helmut from Bavaria

Re: August Isaak, Sr. b. 1883 Bessarabia

Karen Isaak Encelewski (View posts)
Posted: 25 Mar 2004 9:40PM GMT
Classification: Query
Dear Helmut,

I'm sorry it takes me so long to answer. I'm delighted to know I have cousins in Germany! I've always wondered about that. Thank you so much for your information. Some of it I'm familiar with and I have some I can share with you as well. In 2001, for about 6 months, I focused most of my free time on finding out about my family, but since then I've gone a different direction so haven't done any reading or digging. I love learning (a trait my father and I share with my Hildebrand grandmother), and there's so much I'm interested in! Natural and spiritual healing occupy most my free time these days--which is limited because my son and two of my grandchildren now live with my husband and I three days a week.

OK. Down to business. (I do tend to ramble as you will find out if we continue to exchange thoughts. I love to write and want to walk down that avenue some day.) When I found out I was related to Chris Isaak I went out and bought a CD. I think I still have the name and email address of a closer relative of his, but I never pursued that source of information. There is an artistic side to many of the Isaaks, especially with music. My father's family were very musical. My grandfather Wilhelm (b. Feb. 6, 1876 in Michaelsteld, Georgia, Russia) played the piano and all but one of his daughters played at least the piano. His boys all played instruments in the city band (self taught) and my father played 4 or 5 instruments. There were 13 children, so that's a lot of music. People in the USA have, to a great extent, lost touch with the European connection to music. Sad.

A cousin, Richard Isaak from North Dakota, did an extensive genealogy finished in the late 60s or early 70s. He traced the family back to Johann Michael Isaak b. about 1758. He didn't find the name of his wife, thank you for that. I've since learned that Johann Michael maybe wasn't his name, that it may have been Andreas. It would be interesting to understand the source of that confusion. Richard's genealogy is written out on a 3' x 5' piece of paper. All the information is ingeniously crammed together and impossible to pass on via internet. I've wanted to enter it all into a program but I've not accomplished that feat. Another cousin (distant) who found me sent me a program, but entering the information takes a lot of time and a little more savy than what I have at present.

I can give you more information about August and Christine Ziegler's children. Actually I have about a hundred pages of general historic information from books I got from the German's from Russia Historical Society, genealogical information from Richard and other sources, and stories and lifestyle information from my 87 year old aunt and my 83 year old father. Dad doesn't remember much as he was next to the youngest of Wilhem's children.

I'll send this for now and give you more information on Saturday evening after the grandkids leave.

Thanks!
Karen (I like your spelling of my name better)

Re: August Isaak, Sr. b. 1883 Bessarabia

Karen Isaak Encelewski (View posts)
Posted: 28 Mar 2004 8:50AM GMT
Classification: Query
Dear Helmut,

OK, I'm back and have looked through the names and dates given to me by another distant cousin, Donald Sommer, who has tracked down an amazing amount of information. He wrote a computer program to faciliate that effort. The following is mostly information I received from him.

According to him, the children of Johann Isaak (b. Aug 14, 1798) and Louisa Mueller (b. Nov. 03, 1804) are:

(He does not have Rosina b. 1824 and neither do I .
He does not have Johann b. 1828. I have it on my genealogy from Richard Isaak though)

Karl Isaak (thank you for the date 1825, I didn't have that.)
Christian Isaak, b. Sept. 03, 1830, Tarutino, Bessarabia
August Isaak, b. Feb. 14, 1833, Tarutino, Bessarabia, Russia
Justine Isaak, b. Dec. 30, 1835, Dennewitz, Bessarabia
Rosina Isaak, b. February 05, 1838; d. Feb. 05, 1838
Wilhelmina Isaak, b. Aug. 30, 1839, Dennewitz
Daniel Isaak, b. June 21, 1841, Dennewtiz, d. Oct. 10, 1852
Carolina Isaak (Richard has Karoline, m. to Michael Brost)
Friedrich Isaak, d. October 05, 1852, Dennewitz

Neither of us had
Andreas about 1831,
Dorothea 1858,
Daniel 1860.

Somewhere I received information that Justina died in childbirth, but no date. Is it Johann's (b. 1798) brother Karl that is your wife's g grandfather? Or a later Karl? The repeated names get confusing. I read that the Germans from Russia frequently used nicknames to keep each other straight. If they got confused I guess we come by it honestly.

Hopefully tomorrow I'll send what I have on August and Christina's children. I have their names and dates (a few more than you have listed) and a little information on what they did when they arrived in South Dakota. My dad remembers little about his grandfather, but my aunt remembered more. I'm interested in people and their lifestyles, not just their names and dates. That kind of stuff is harder to come by though. I have a nice picture of August and Christina and their 3 youngest children. Are you interested in any of that kind of information?

Take care,
Karen




Re: August Isaak, Sr. b. 1883 Bessarabia

Karen Isaak Encelewski (View posts)
Posted: 31 Mar 2004 12:19AM GMT
Classification: Query
Dear Helmut,

Did you get my information concerning Johann Isaak and Luise Mueller and their kids? I've had trouble with my internet connections the past 3 or 4 days, so I'm not sure what has worked. If not, let me know and I'll gather it together again. I think I made a mistake on one of those dates.

Children of AUGUST ISAAK and CHRISTINA ZIEGLER:
1. JOHANN ISAAK (JOHN) born July 2, 1856, Bersina, Russia, m. ELIZABETH MILLER, July 18, 1883.
2. CHRISTIAN ISAAK, born Feb. 20, 1858 (or Feb. 08, 1858)
Dennewitz, Bessarabia, Russia; m. MAGDALENA HILDEBRAND, Dec. 05, 1890. Magdalena was a midwife.
3. AUGUST ISAAK, b. Nov. 24, 1860, Dennewitz (b. Nov. 24, 1861), died June 04, 1862.
4. CHRISTINA, born Dec. 22, 1862; died as a child
5. DORETHA, b. Oct. 18, 1864; died as a child
6. CHRISTINA, b. Aug. 26, 1866; m. HENRY BERTSCH, Dec. 20, 1889; lived in Scotland, South Dakota; d. July 1, 1954.
7. KATHARINA (kATHERINA), b. Aug. 26, 1868 (Aug. 14, 1868) , Dennewitz, Bessarabia, Russia; m. DAVID HILDEBRAND in Parkston, South Dakota on Dec. 20, 1989; d. Oct. 13, 1956 in San Antonion, Texas. (David Hildebrand was my grandmother's (Maria) brother)
8. AUGUST ISAAK, b. Dec. 2, 1870; Michaelsteld, Georgia, Russia; m. KATHARINA BREITLING April 30, 1892, Parkston, South Dakota; d. Mar. 6, 1933.
9. GOTTLIEB ISAAK, b. April 14, 1873, Michaelsteld, Georgia, Russia; died as a baby.
10. WILLIAM ISAAK, b. Feb. 11, 1874, Michaelsteld, Georgia, Russia; died as a baby.
11. WILLIAM ISAAK, b. Feb. 6, 1876, Michaelsteld, Georgia, Russia. My grandfather.


Just about a child every other year for 20 years. I have a little bit of personal information about August if you're interested.

I won't write anymore until I find out if these messages are getting through.

Take care,
Karen
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