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Incorrectly labeled U.S. naturalization records? Confused

Incorrectly labeled U.S. naturalization records? Confused

Posted: 20 Jul 2010 9:42PM GMT
Classification: Query
I am getting very confused about what has actually been completed in the World Archives Project for the database titled Selected US Naturalization Records - Original Documents 1790-1974. Can someone either clarify or confirm that something is mis-labled?

Here is the situation:
I have a US Naturalization Indexes 1794-1995 record for the person I am looking for (Dmytro Chupo).

This record states that the Petition Number is 104139.

I then went to the Selected US Naturalization Records - Original Documents 1790-1974 (WAP) to see if this petition number had been done yet and it was just a fluke or misspelling causing me not to find my guy using his name.

Using the browsing feature I started with

State: New York
A Range Of Rolls: (Rolls 0443-0476) Petition No 98586 - Petition No 107479)

However this then brings up a drop down list for Rolls 611-644(which includes Petition numbers 141975-150190) NOT the rolls 443-476 as the previous drop down indicated.

Okay, so then I decide that maybe just the secondary drop down listing is wrong, so I scan through the "A Range of Rolls" again until I find one that has a sub drop down menu that includes the Petition numbers that include my number, even though it doesn't initially look like it should.

State: New York
A Range Of Rolls:(Rolls 0307-0340) Petition No 63797 - Petition No 73172

This Range of Rolls had as it's sub drop down menu:
(Roll 0475) Petition No 107018 - Petition No 107251

Aha! my petition number 104139 fit right into this range of numbers, I may have to skip around a bit, but I should be able to find my number in here as I know they are filed in numerical order!

But alas! When i open to page one, what do I find? Petition number 63797 (the 1st number in the Range of Rolls Drop Down menu), NOT 107018 (the first number in the sub drop down menu) which I expected to be the first page.

Is the indexing of the drop down menu simply incorrect? Or am I not understanding how to find Petition Number 104139?

Any ideas? If the indexing is incorrect, I want to let Ancestry know about it in case it is something that can be corrected.

Thanks
Quest496
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Re: Incorrectly labeled U.S. naturalization records? Confused

Posted: 21 Jul 2010 11:35AM GMT
Classification: Query
Not being familiar with those records, that all sounds a little confusing right now without having had any coffee yet BUT unless I'm missing something, 104139 will not be found between 107018 and 107251 if they are filed in numerical order.

Re: Incorrectly labeled U.S. naturalization records? Confused

Posted: 21 Jul 2010 12:36PM GMT
Classification: Query
Hi,
It looks like your guy was naturalized in the U.S. District Court for the Eastern District of New York (which includes Brooklyn). I could be wrong but I do not believe that Ancestry has the original naturalization documents for the Eastern District of NY. The database that you were looking at has the Southern District of NY (which includes Manhattan).

Margaret

Re: Incorrectly labeled U.S. naturalization records? Confused

Posted: 21 Jul 2010 12:44PM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Linnakallio, Lennakallio, Chupo
Yes, they seem to be horribly incorrect, inordinately confusing and almost impossible to navigate.

I found petition 104139 but it's not for Dmytro Chupo, it's for Josaf Helenius Lennakallio, previously known as Joppe Helenius Linnakallio. See screen shots. The number was difficult too see on the original so I lightened it a little.

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Re: Incorrectly labeled U.S. naturalization records? Confused

Posted: 21 Jul 2010 12:47PM GMT
Classification: Query
Yup, the petition I found does say Southern District of NY. I checked the boards right before posting and your post wasn't there yet! lol

Re: Incorrectly labeled U.S. naturalization records? Confused

Posted: 21 Jul 2010 4:35PM GMT
Classification: Query
Well, that does explain why I couldn't find him by searching on his name. Thanks for pointing that out, I hate it when I don't notice the obvious. Ugh.

However, the actual sub menus while browsing this database are indeed still incorrect, I think.

Maybe I'll work on a more succint way to explain it and send it in as something that needs to be looked at.

Thanks to both of you who took the time to see what was going on.
Quest496

Re: Incorrectly labeled U.S. naturalization records? Confused

Posted: 22 Jul 2010 1:42AM GMT
Classification: Query
The labeling of the roll numbers and petition numbers in the sub menus for the Southern District Court in NY ARE incorrect.
Starting with what should be labeled as Roll # 0176 containing Petition numbers 28726 through Petition number 28963 is instead labeled Roll # 0344 Petition number 73998 through Petition number 74271. Thereafter, they (the sub-menu roll numbers/petition numbers) are all mis-labeled. (The first drop down menu of "range of rolls" is correct. The sub menu drop down labeling of rolls after that is what is incorrect.)

This error is also carried over to Ancestry's so-called "record" -that summary sheet that they provide. The "Roll description" that they give on the "Record" page is incorrect. However, towards the bottom of that "Record" page where it cites to NARA's archive series and archive roll number, that part is correct.


Re: Incorrectly labeled U.S. naturalization records? Confused

Posted: 27 Jul 2010 3:53AM GMT
Classification: Query
There's a thread about reporting errors like this to NARA.

http://boards.ancestry.com/topics.ancestry.ancsite/10813.1.1...

Re: Incorrectly labeled U.S. naturalization records? FIXED

Posted: 15 Jun 2011 1:27PM GMT
Classification: Query
The incorrect labeling appears to have finally been fixed in the June 8, 2011 update to the collection.
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