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George Ralph Smith,Mina Harper,Henry Sovey(Sauve)

George Ralph Smith,Mina Harper,Henry Sovey(Sauve)

Larry Sovey (View posts)
Posted: 23 Sep 2002 4:11PM GMT
Classification: Query
Searching for marriage dates of George & Mina.George died young and Mina married Henry Sovey.All were supposed to come from Chesterville.
Kids were William Ira Smith(Sovey),Melvin CorneliusSmith( Sovey).Need parents of George,Mina&Henry.Thanks in advance.

Re: George Ralph Smith,Mina Harper,Henry Sovey(Sauve)

Larry Sovey (View posts)
Posted: 23 Sep 2002 4:21PM GMT
Classification: Query
The dates for the above would be around 1894 for first marriage.Birthdates for George, Mina & Henry would be about 1877.

Re: George Ralph Smith,Mina Harper,Henry Sovey(Sauve)

Posted: 14 Sep 2008 9:39PM GMT
Classification: Query
11909-95 Alexander SMITH, 25, laborer, Madrick US, Chesterville, s/o Ward SMITH & Marsha GARROW, married Mina HOPPER, 17, Chesterville, same, d/o Isaac HOPPER & Alsina UTMAN, witn: Mr. & Mrs. GARLOUGH of Boucks Hill, 29 Oct 1895 at Chesterville

Re: George Ralph Smith,Mina Harper,Henry Sovey(Sauve)

Posted: 15 Sep 2008 6:53PM GMT
Classification: Query
Skydancer59 Alexander Smith was born in Madrid,NY State. Just to clarify for you.
We may be talking about two seperate branches or only one. I'm not sure of that yet. This is what I have on my Utman connection.
Henry Utman m'd Jemima Harper no date yet. They had five kids I know of.
Laney Utman born 1832 Williamsburgh,Dundas m'd S.H. Scherdfager(Schwerdtfeger) 1852 Eastern District.
Higham (Henry) Utman born 1837 Williamsburgh m'd Margaret Bennett 4 July 1900 Graliot,Michigan.
Minerva E. Utman born 4 Sept 1841 Williamsburgh, Dundas M'd Daniel Schwerdtfeger born 11 Mar 1800 Williamsburgh m'd 29 July 1858 Dundas Cty. She was obviously young.
Alzina Utman born 1849 Williamsburgh m'd Isaac G. Hopper.
Thomas Utman born 1836 Williamsburgh.

Alzina(Almeda) & Isaac Hopper had Jonatte born 1875, George born 1878, Jemima(Mina) born 1879,Eliza born Feb 1881.

Jemima(Mina) m'd Alexander Smith born Madrid NY State 1869. Alexanders parents were Ward Smith born 1830 Ontario, Can. and Marsha(Marcha)Garrow born Canada 1842.
Dates don't always match depending on the source.

Jemima & Alexander had two sons William born 1896 and George born 1897. Alexander died before 1900 and Mina(Jemima) married a Henry Sove(Sovey).
Henrey's parents were Isaac H.Sove and Mead Outman according to Henry's death certificate. From there it's a dead end.

Henry and Mina had two sons also,Ralph and James.
Can you add anything?

Re: George Ralph Smith,Mina Harper,Henry Sovey(Sauve)

Posted: 15 Sep 2008 7:56PM GMT
Classification: Query
Hi Larry

This is what I have on the people you name (note, not much on the Utman side, my focus has been on the Harper-Hopper side as that is my ancestors)

Abraham Hopper and Elizabeth Crowder had 11 children:
Dorothea (1790) m. Robert Carr
Elizabeth (1793) m. John Cook III
Maria (1795) declared a lunatic
Heinrich "Henry" (1798) m. Eliza Garrett
Nancy (1798) haven't found nothing on her yet
Michael (1800) m. a Catherine
Peter (1803-1878) m. Mary Crowder (my ggg-grandparents)
Abraham Jr. (1805) m. Nancy Rebecca Gale
Jemima (1811) m. Henry Utman
Sarah (1812) haven't found nothing on her yet
James (1815) haven't found nothing on him yet

Henry Utman (son of Henricus Utman and Hannah Crowder married Jemima Hopper (daughter of Abraham Hopper and Elizabeth Crowder) in 1832 in Williamsburg Ontario. At this time, I only had their daughter, Alzina placed with them.

Isaac Garret Hopper is the son of George and Eliza Hopper, and I have so far 1 brother for him, Asa L. Hopper (1862).

Marriage of Isaac Garret Hopper to Alzina Utman:
010416-76 Isaac Garret HARPER, 20, Farmer, Winchester, Winchester, s/o George & Eliza HARPER; married Alzina ULMAN, 27, Williamsburg, Williamsburg, d/o Henry & Jemima ULMAN; witn George HARPER, Winchester & M. DAVIDSON, Williamsburg, 31 Oct 1876, North Williamsburg

For Mina I also have as mentioned above:
11909-95 Alexander SMITH, 25, laborer, Madrick US, Chesterville, s/o Ward SMITH & Marsha GARROW, married Mina HOPPER, 17, Chesterville, same, d/o Isaac HOPPER & Alsina UTMAN, witn: Mr. & Mrs. GARLOUGH of Boucks Hill, 29 Oct 1895 at Chesterville

That said, I also had this information pulled aside but not placed due to the name 'Almeda Hillman', this George would be born in 1878:
#017745-03 (Stormont Co): George Henry HARPER, 25, laborer, Chesterville, same, s/o Isaac HARPER & Almeda HILLMAN, married Lena Della LALONDE, 22, Moose Creek, same, d/o Louis LALONDE & Nella HURTIBEST?, witn: Alvin & Eliza Jane DILLABAUGH of Moose Creek, 12 Sept 1903 at Cornwall

I also have not placed the following information that I've collected either:

8744-75 (Dundas Co): George Henry HARDIE, 21, farmer, Williamsburgh, Matilda, s/o John HARDIE & Catherine HOPPER, married Catherine Almeda SWERDEFEGER, 16, Williamsburgh, Matilda, d/o Daniel SWERDEFEGER & Minerva E. UTMAN, witn: Hiram & Elizabeth LEYERT of Matilda, 9 Feb 1875 at Matilda (Lutheran)

012225-08 (Leeds Co) Isaac C. LEWIS, 35 Wid, labourer, none given, Matilda, s/o Jeremiah LEWIS & Eliza HARPER; married Martha C. UTMAN, 21, none given, Edwardsburg, d/o George A. UTMAN & Jemima HARPER; witn William UTMAN & Annie UTMAN, both Ventnor, 25 Aug 1908, Edwardsburg

Re: George Ralph Smith,Mina Harper,Henry Sovey(Sauve)

Posted: 15 Sep 2008 8:10PM GMT
Classification: Query
The one thing I've found is you almost need a magic decoder ring with some of the 'mis-spelling' etc.

Forgot to mention for Asa Hopper I have the following information for Isaac Garret Hopper's brother Asa:

Asa L. Harper married Mary Hunter, daughter of Silas and Fancy Hunter on Jan 20, 1886 in Chesterville Ontario. I have 7 children for them:
Edith (1887) m. John D. Shuttleton
Howard (1888) no further info
Effie (1889-1961) m. William James (1884-1967) both interred at Maple Ridge Cemetery, Chesterville Ontario
Stanley (1879-1972) m. Lillis St. Pierre (1899-1968) both interred at Maple Ridge Cemetery, Chesterville Ontario
Georgette (1896) no further info
Susan (1898) no further info
Caroline Jane Augusta (1904-1976) m. Daniel Ernest Albert Coughler (1903-1962)

Re: George Ralph Smith,Mina Harper,Henry Sovey(Sauve)

Posted: 15 Sep 2008 8:11PM GMT
Classification: Query
If you do an IGI search on Alzina Utman uou can print off her file back to 1580.

Re: George Ralph Smith,Mina Harper,Henry Sovey(Sauve)

Posted: 15 Sep 2008 8:23PM GMT
Classification: Query
If you want to email me at vjones2@cogeco.ca I'll email you the file I have on the Hopper's to this point.

Vera

Re: George Ralph Smith,Mina Harper,Henry Sovey(Sauve)

Posted: 17 Oct 2009 10:46AM GMT
Classification: Query
Hi Larry and Skydancer
Skydancer I have seen your online tree. I am confused over the name Hopper/Harper.
I find records where some in the same family have Hopper and others have Harper. When you get into the early 1900 marriage records Harper seams to be the correct name. Did it start as Hopper and then change to Harper?
I am researching the Crowder family and find the two names interchangeable and confusing.
Could some one let me know if both names are used by the same family members today.
Thanks
Mel

Re: George Ralph Smith,Mina Harper,Henry Sovey(Sauve)

Posted: 17 Oct 2009 11:53AM GMT
Classification: Query
I'm not sure if both names are used today. It appears that various census takers misspelled it over the years. From my research they appear to be the same families.
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