I don't know whether to be happy that I provided you with a small piece of information (since I haven't found much on this family yet) or if I should apologize for bursting your bubble....that Gershom did not father Hetty in his late 50s! Of course, I'm sure he was STILL vigorous enough to have done so!
I have an obit on Hetty from another researcher, but I do not know in which paper it appeared. Basically it says that she was born in 1806, and while very small, her family moved to McKeesport, PA. Her mother Desire Norris Crain died when she was six (about 1812). When Hetty was 17 (about 1823) she, with her ONLY BROTHER and several sisters, came to Cincinnati where her father had provided a home for them. (All of that is important to me in determining which other Crains in the area are her siblings. Because the Clermont County Crains and the Hamilton County Crains all seem to have come from NJ together, used the same names, and lived in both counties.) It also infers that Oliver Crain, her father, was here prior to her arrival. This is also important because there are two Oliver Crains in Hamilton County by the 1820 census....One was in the Montgomery area or Sycamore Twp., but when using the 1830 census also, this one appears to have been a little young to have been her father. The other was in Cincinnati Ward 2, but doesn't have a daughter her age with him. The obit's comment could explain that. But until I prove definitively which Oliver is her father, I cannot say when he died, but it may very well have been before Gershom's will. Of course, even if it was after, he was not the son, but the son-in-law, so with Desire already dead, it would be understandable to bypass the son-in-law and bequeath directly to the married granddaughter.
The following I have proven:
Hetty married William T. Rice in about 1828 and they had 9 children. One daughter was named Matilda (married John W. Hunt), so I am wondering if Matilda Moorehead was Hetty's sister, but have not found anything on her. The other children were Elvira (my line), William O., James H., Laura, Harriet, Mary, Holeman and Edwin. Hetty and William lived in Hamilton County for a number of years, but were in Clermont County by 1850. They both died in the 1890s and are buried in Mt. Moriah Cemetery.
As for the Norris line, I have not learned anything beyond Gershom. And, in glancing over other researchers' work, a case can be made for him being from two different lines. I have seen his grave and noted those buried with him, but did not know their relationships. I speculate that Eliphalet is his son. In some reading, I see that somebody mentioned that Elizabeth Norris (Eliphalet's wife) also had a maiden name of Norris. Do you know if that is true? If so, do you know how they relate? That is why I was afraid to assume too much...maybe just like the Crains, there are two mixed up Norris lines that moved together.
The only other clue I have on the Norris side may be just a family legend. It was transcribed from notes from now dead relatives....it said that she (Hetty) was one of the heirs of a what was known as the Norris Claim on Long Island, which was a grant of land from King George to her grandfather, G. Norris. I find this hard to believe since her grandfather Gershom was a Revolutionary War veteran for the American side. I figure that IF there was a land grant from King George, it would HAVE to be to an earlier generation.
I hope something here provides a clue. If I find any more, I will let you know and would appreciate it if you could do the same! If you would prefer to contact me directly by email, use ALZS@aol.com
. I do have a photo of Hetty Crain and William T. Rice from about 1888 if you would like to have a digital copy.
Thanks for your help,