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Satoraljaujhely, Hungary

Satoraljaujhely, Hungary

Posted: 13 Dec 2010 12:25AM GMT
Classification: Query
I am looking for information on my father Lester Louis Papp aka Laszlo Pap born in the subject town and baptised at the Roman Catholic Church there. He was born March 9, 1910 and arrived in US on August 16, 1912. All of his family are from this same area but I have reached a dead end and am looking for advice on how to proceed. I have his baptismal record in Hungarian and had it translated to the above. His parents are Andrew Papp and Irene Guyurkovits from the same area in Hungary. Thank you!! Bev Boggess nee Papp

Re: Satoraljaujhely, Hungary

Posted: 26 Dec 2010 3:09PM GMT
Classification: Query
Hi Bev:

Do you know what county this town is in? Was this town located in counties that were ceded to other countries (Romania, Austria, Slovakia, etc) after WW-I?

You may have to do some research on some old Hungary Maps to locate the town and county. Once you have those you can write to the county capital and have them look for any available information.

There was an individual (Imre Harasztosi-imrehun@hotmail.com) that took photos of your ancestors home village (I had him take photos of my grandmothers and grandfathers villages) and did a great job. He also asked around for information on your ancestors (he found some for me), I don't know if he still does these things (of course there is a fee involved).

If you need some links to old maps, let me know and I will give them to you.

Re: PAP, Satoraljaujhely, Hungary

Posted: 26 Dec 2010 11:17PM GMT
Classification: Query
Bev

Pap, Laszlo S.A. Ujhelz, Hungary 2 1910 1912
Pap, Mariska S.A. Ujhelz, Hungary 4 1908 1912
Pap, Iren S.A. Ujhelz, Hungary 23 1889 1912
source: www.ellisislandrecords.org

Since you have his Hungarian baptismal record, his parents names had to have been Hungarian for Andrew and Irene.
first name sites
http://web.archive.org/web/20051128070722/www.fam.aust.com/t...
http://www.progenealogists.com/hungary/names.htm

Check out the church records in LDS-Mormons [Family History Center] site
http://www.familysearch.org/eng/library/fhlcatalog/supermain...=

www.radixforum.com
http://genforum.com
www.surnamenavigator.org

GUYURKOVITS does not seem to be Magyar spelling. Most likely
Gyurkovics, Adoem Satoraljanjhez, Hung. 30 1893 1923
Gyurkovics, Gesa S. A. Ujhely, Hungary 44 1867 1911
Gyurkovics, Ida Situ Vjhely, Hungary 24 1886 1910
Gyurkovics, Johan Satoraljanjhez, Hung. 14 1909 1923
Gyurkovics, Margarethe Satoraljanjhez, Hung. 25 1898 1923
Gyurkovics, Tibor Satoraljanjhez, Hung. 3 1920 1923
Gyurkovits, Arpad Satoraljoryheby, Hungary 24 1897 1921
Gyurkovits, Aryiad Satoraljoryheby, Hungary 5 1916
Gyurkovits, Daisy Satoraljoryheby, Hungary 6 1915 1921
Gyurkovits, Julie Satoraljoryheby, Hungary 23 1898 1921
Papp, Anna S.A. Ujhely, Hungary 17 1896 1913
did you connect the above to your ancestor?
source: www.ellisislandrecords.org

Re: Satoraljaujhely, Hungary

Posted: 3 Jan 2011 11:42PM GMT
Classification: Query
Hello George,
Thank you for your response to my inquiry. I have been away on vacation, just returned today and wanted to reply.
I have the original birth certificate for my father in Hungarian and we had translated to read that Laszlo Pap was born 9 Mar 1910 and baptised 20 Mar 1920 at Roman Catholic Parish of Satoraljaujhely, Hungary. Shows parents to be Andras Pap and Iren Pap (born Gyurkovits) - I see I spelled it incorrectly in my initial request. The top of the birth certificate reads Keresztlevel. I have other records that show Andrew (my grandfather) was born in Zemp (Zemplin?) but on his naturalization papers it states he was born in Czecho Slovak Republic on 3 May 1885 and immigrated to US on 2 March 1902, date of Naturalization 18 Sept. 1922. As soon as I can gather correct and accurate info, I will send an email to the person you suggested. Also any old maps or your thoughts as to where my family originated will be appreciated! Thank you, Bev Boggess nee Papp

Re: PAP, Satoraljaujhely, Hungary

Posted: 3 Jan 2011 11:53PM GMT
Classification: Query
Thank you so much for your response to my inquiry - as I mentioned to George who also responded, I have been away and I'm home ready to search again for my Hungarian Roots. I did spell my maternal grandmother's family incorrectly - it should be Gyurkovits as you suggested. I will check all the wonderful references and tools you have provided - thank you so much. Originally my grandmother Iren Pap nee Gyurkovitz was born 1 Jan. 1890, arrived in the US in 1903, married in Cleveland in 1905 to Andras Pap, and died 27 Nov. 1972. They met at the Hungarian Club in Cleveland, OH which I understand was a social gathering spot for Hungarians - presumably having lived in the same areas (counties) in Hungary. I believe I mentioned she returned to Hungary to visit her mother Mary and was pregnant with my father Lazslo (Lester) Pap - you are correct with the Ellis Island records that Iren, Mariska and Lazslo all returned to the US in 1912. It is so great to meet people who want to help me as my search ends with my grandparents. Thank you again - Beverly Boggess nee Papp

Re: PAP, Satoraljaujhely, Hungary

Posted: 4 Jan 2011 12:14AM GMT
Classification: Query
Happy New Year!

Zemplin in Slovak and Zemplen in Hungarian.
Here is an old 1910 Zemplen megye map:
http://lazarus.elte.hu/hun/maps/1910/zemplen.jpg
You mentioned Czechoslovakia to previous poster. Do you have a precise location?
In Zemplin region there is a village named Zemplin as well.
An ALL site for research in Slovakia
www.iabsi.com/gen/public

Re: PAP, Satoraljaujhely, Hungary

Posted: 4 Jan 2011 4:40PM GMT
Classification: Query
Hope you had a great vacation, and I hope I can help you.

These sites give some excellent information and how to start your research:

http://www.progenealogists.com/hungary/maps.htm

http://hungaria.org/hal/genealogia/index.php?&newsid=316

This site give reference maps to towns and village by counties:

http://hungarianvillagefinder.com/cdrom/MOH.html

I looked up the town you listed, and found it is still in Hungary and sits on the Northern border with Slovakia. This is the Google link for that village:

http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&expIds=17259,18167,264...

This is the information that I have on Imre Harasztosi, his email is:

imrehun@mail.com, imrehun@hotmail.com

I don't know if he is still doing the travel and photography but you can give it a shot.

Lots of luck in your research and if I can help, please let me know.

George

Re: Satoraljaujhely, Hungary

Posted: 23 Jan 2011 8:39AM GMT
Classification: Query
Hi Bev,

The LDS (Mormons) have microfilmed the Roman Catholic records of Sátorajaújhely, and you can rent that film for a nominal fee at your closest LDS family history center.

However, the religious records filmed go up only through 1895, because after October of that year, civil registration was instituted. Copies of the (post-1895) civil records are held at the county archive in Sátoraljaújhely (I have been there many times to look at civil records).

So the question becomes when did the couple marry? If your ancestor was not the oldest child, then perhaps it was before 1895. Otherwise, it will be in the civil records.

If you can scan me a copy of the bith certificate (Kivonat), I will see if I can suggest anything.

Beth Long
Budapest
bethlong3-at-yahoo-dot-com

Re: Satoraljaujhely, Hungary

Posted: 23 Jan 2011 4:24PM GMT
Classification: Query
thank you beth, george & zlaticaBeca,
You have all been so gracious with your responses. I have been checking out the sites you've suggested and trying to match up hungarisn words with english so i can intepret the records when I find them. I just found out there is a LDS family center in Charleston, sc which is close to me. I didn't know I could rent the Roman Catholic records there so I will follow up on that. I will scan the birth certifiate and mail to each of you if you would like. My thought is that it's my grandmother's family who are from Satoraljaujhely - the Gyurkovits. My grandparents married in Cleveland, OH . I have the exact dates on that plus their birthdates so will repost shortly. Thank you all so much! it's a bit overwhelming but I am so excited to finally have some help and direction. Bev - my email is bboggess1@aol.com
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