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Need parents of Isaac RHine b. 1819/20 TN & Sarah E. ROBARDS b. 1819/20 KY m. 23 Nov 1843 Gallatin Co., IL.

Need parents of Isaac RHine b. 1819/20 TN & Sarah E. ROBARDS b. 1819/20 KY m. 23 Nov 1843 Gallatin Co., IL.

Posted: 4 Dec 2012 3:16PM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: RHINE, ROBARDS
Searching for the parents of Isaac RHINE and Sarah E. ROBARDS married 23 Nov 1843 Gallatin Co., IL. Isaac and Sarah and their family were in the 1850, 1860, and 1870 Saline Co., IL census. Both were born 1819/20 Isaac in Tennessee and Sarah Kentucky. When did they die? Buried? Did they move?
Appreciate any help. dave.richardson@mindspring.com

Re: Need parents of Isaac RHine b. 1819/20 TN & Sarah E. ROBARDS b. 1819/20 KY m. 23 Nov 1843 Gallatin Co., IL.

Posted: 4 Dec 2012 10:14PM GMT
Classification: Query
I’m not related to any member of this family.

1940 is the last available census at this time.


You will not find the parents of Isaac or Sarah in the census records and these statements explain why -

Facts you should know about the early census records -
All census records [1790 – 1840] prior to the 1850 census ONLY listed the head of household; whether male or female.

NO specific age was stated for any family member
NO place of birth was stated – city, state, or country
NO city, town, or village is stated – only the county; however some census takers listed the township
NO street address was stated
NO marital status was stated – single, married, widowed, or divorced
NO family relationship was stated – brother, sister, cousin, son, daughter, wife, inlaw, etc…
NO occupation was stated
NO parental birthplaces are stated
NO race was stated [but assume “white”]

1850, 1860 & 1870 census records do not show family relationships, marital status or parental birthplaces.

Step children are not enumerated as “step” children
Adopted children are not enumerated as “adopted”
Grand children are not enumerated as “grand children”
Orphaned children were not enumerated as "orphan"

1850 is the 1st census that shows all family members

1880 is the 1st census that shows parental birthplaces and family relationships +++



TN Vital Records -
Tennessee law began requiring the registration of birth and death certificates in 1914. However retention time in our office different in that we will hold birth records for 100 years and death records for 50 years. After that time the records will be transferred to the Tennessee State Library & Archives. At present we still have birth records from 1914 since we will not begin to transfer them until 2014. We presently have death records from 1960 to the present. All older records have also been transferred to the Library & Archive. Their address is:
403 7th Ave North
Nashville, TN 37243-0312
phone #: 615 / 741-2764
Since the records are not available, there is no online database for public searches.

Statement source -
Shirley Clark, ASA 4
Office of Vital Records
Tennessee Department of Health
421 5th Ave N
1st Floor Central Svcs Bldg
Nashville, TN 37243
Shirley.Clark@tn.gov

KY Vital Records -
Kentucky Birth and Death Records are available for period 1911 and forward.
Kentucky Marriage and Divorce Records are available for the period June 1958 and forward.

Individuals possessing information required on the application forms at website below may request certificates. http://chfs.ky.gov/dph/vital/default.htm

Kentucky's Vital Statistics Law, enacted by the General Assembly in 1910, provides for and legalizes the registration of births and deaths.

The Office of Vital Statistics does not have records of births or deaths prior to 1911.

statement source -

Christina S.Stewart
Administrative Branch Manager
Office of Vital Statistics
275 East Main Street, 1E-A
Frankfort, Kentucky 40621
Phone (502) 564-4212 ext 3200
Fax (502) 564-9398
christina.stewart@ky.gov


1850 -
Name: Isaac Rhine
Age: 30
Birth Year: abt 1820
Birthplace: Tennessee
Home in 1850: Raleigh, Saline, Illinois
Gender: Male

Isaac Rhine 30, TN
Sarah E Rhine 30, KY
Cordelia E Rhine 5, ILL
Willis H Rhine 2, ILL
Malinda J Rhine 1m, ILL
Clarinda O Leathers 14, TN - unknown relationship

1870 -
Name: Sarah Rhine
Age in 1870: 50
Birth Year: abt 1820
Birthplace: Illinois
Home in 1870: Township 7 Range 6, Saline, Illinois
Race: White
Gender: Female
Post Office: Raleigh

Isaac Rhine 50, ILL??? - farmer
Sarah Rhine 50, ILL???
Willis Rhine 22, ILL
Edna C Rhine 17, ILL
David Rhine 15, ILL
Hannah Rhine 12, ILL
Frank Rhine 10, ILL
Nancy Rhine 7, ILL


Illinois Death and Marriage Databases – FREE and SEARCHABLE
http://www.ilsos.gov/isavital/marriagesrch.jsp

http://www.ilsos.gov/isavital/idphddeathsrch.jsp

http://www.cyberdriveillinois.com/departments/archives/datab...





Re: Need parents of Isaac RHine b. 1819/20 TN & Sarah E. ROBARDS b. 1819/20 KY m. 23 Nov 1843 Gallatin Co., IL.

Posted: 4 Dec 2012 10:28PM GMT
Classification: Query
To continue -

Isaac Rhine
Birth 23 FEB 1820 in Tennessee
Death 7 OCT 1871 in Saline, Illinois
he married -
Sarah E. "Sally" Roberts
Birth 1820 in Kentucky
Death - unknown

children -
Cordelia Rhine
1845 – 1862
Willis H. Rhine
1848 – 1886
Malinda Rhine
1850 – 185
Edna C. Rhine
1853 – 1871
John David Rhine
1855 – 1871
Alice D Rhine
1856 –
Hannah M Rhine
1858 – 1930
Francis Marion Rhine
1861 – 1920
Nancy Rhine
1863 –
Jack Rhine
1868 –

Sarah's parents -
David Roberts
Birth 15 Oct 1795 in Fairfield, South Carolina
Death 21 Oct 1851 in Hamilton, Illinois
Martha Ann Franklin
Birth 4 Aug 1796 in Fairfield, South Carolina
Death 16 Nov 1868 in Hamilton, Illinois

Isaac's parents -
John Rhine -
Birth 11 JUN 1800 in Lincoln, North Carolina
Death 7 SEP 1873 in Saline, Illinois
Hannah Barger -
Birth 26 Jul 1800 in Wilson, Tennessee
Death 18 Dec 1872 in Saline, Illinois

Re: Need parents of Isaac RHine b. 1819/20 TN & Sarah E. ROBARDS b. 1819/20 KY m. 23 Nov 1843 Gallatin Co., IL.

Posted: 5 Dec 2012 2:31PM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: RHINE, ROBERTS, ROBARDS
Thank you for both responces. In IL pre 1916 deaths I found
RHINE, SARAH E 1880-07-20 LONG BRANCH PCT 60 YR F A 26 326 SALINE
In the IL Marriage index
RHINE, ISAAC ROBARDS, SARAH E 1843-11-23 001 0236 GALLATIN
Likely Sarah is Sally in the 24 June 1880 census age 50(? should be 60) suffering from Dropsey a month from death, and parents born KY but the census data is confused.
Is there a source for David and Martha Roberts being her parents?
I appreciate all your help. Have a safe Holiday.
dave.richardson@mindspring.com

Re: Need parents of Isaac RHine b. 1819/20 TN & Sarah E. ROBARDS b. 1819/20 KY m. 23 Nov 1843 Gallatin Co., IL.

Posted: 9 Dec 2012 4:10AM GMT
Classification: Query
I have an Isaac Rhine born Feb. 23, 1820 and died Oct. 7, 1871. Buried in the Rhine Cemetery, Long Branch Township, Saline County, IL.

If this is the same Isaac then his parents are John Rhine (1800 - 1873) and Hannah Barger (1800 - 1872), both buried at Rhine Cemetery.

Re: Need parents of Isaac RHine b. 1819/20 TN & Sarah E. ROBARDS b. 1819/20 KY m. 23 Nov 1843 Gallatin Co., IL.

Posted: 8 Jan 2013 2:40PM GMT
Classification: Query
Descendants of John Rhine

1 John Rhine b: June 11, 1800 in Lincoln Co, NC (More Likely in the US but some say Germany on the Rhine River) d: September 07, 1873 in Saline Co, IL Burial: Rhine Cemetery, Raleigh, Saline Co, IL
.. +Hannah Barger b: July 26, 1800 in Wilson Co, TN m: Abt. 1817 in Wilson Co, TN (Possibly) d: December 18, 1872 in Saline Co, IL Burial: Rhine Cemetery, Raleigh Twp, Saline Co, IL
...... 2 John C. Rhine b: February 19, 1818 in TN (1850 says KY?) d: July 30, 1870 in Saline Co, IL
.......... +Mariah C. Sutton b: Bet. 1819 - 1823 in IL m: March 31, 1839 in Gallatin Co, IL
...... 2 Isaac Rhine b: February 23, 1820 in TN d: October 07, 1871 in Saline Co, IL Burial: Rhine Cemetery, Saline Co, IL
.......... +Sarah Edna Roberts b: April 01, 1820 in KY m: November 23, 1843 in Gallatin Co, IL d: July 26, 1880 in Saline Co, IL Burial: Rhine Cemetery, Saline Co, IL
...... 2 Matilda Rhine b: 1821 in MO d: Aft. 1850
.......... +William H. Martin b: Abt. 1816 in TN m: February 21, 1839 in Gallatin Co, IL d: Aft. 1850
...... 2 William Rhine b: July 28, 1823 in IL d: December 03, 1858 in Saline Co, IL Burial: Prob. Rhine Cemetery, Saline Co, IL
.......... +Lucinda Sutton b: June 19, 1821 in IL m: January 25, 1844 in Gallatin Co, IL d: February 05, 1879 in Saline Co, IL Burial: Prob. Rhine Cemetery, Saline Co, IL
...... 2 Mary Jane Rhine b: February 28, 1825 in Gallatin Co, IL d: April 20, 1884 in Saline Co, IL Burial: Webber Campground, Saline Co, IL
.......... +Henry J. "Dick" Webber b: September 14, 1822 in TN m: September 23, 1841 in Gallatin Co, IL d: April 18, 1899 in Saline Co, IL Burial: Webber Campground, Saline Co, IL
...... 2 Sarah Jane Rhine b: 1827 in Gallatin Co, IL
...... 2 Andrew J. Rhine b: 1828 in Gallatin Co, IL d: March 05, 1859 in Saline Co, IL
.......... +Nancy Barger b: Abt. 1827 in TN m: August 29, 1847 in Gallatin Co, IL
...... 2 Catherine "Katie" Rhine b: 1830 in Gallatin, IL d: October 17, 1865 in Saline Co, IL
.......... +Rufus Smith b: Bet. 1819 - 1820 in TN m: April 06, 1848 in Saline Co, IL d: Aft. 1880
...... 2 Elizabeth M. Rhine b: 1833 in Gallatin Co, IL d: 1912 in Saline Co, IL Burial: Webber Campground, Saline Co, IL
.......... +Nelson W. Webber b: 1830 in IL m: September 19, 1850 in Saline Co, IL d: 1901 in Saline Co, IL Burial: Webber Campground, Saline Co, IL
...... 2 Elias Rhine b: 1832 in Gallatin Co, IL d: 1895 in Saline Co, IL
.......... +Louisa A. Martin b: December 1830 in TN (per 1900 census) m: February 05, 1852 in Saline Co, IL d: Bet. 1901 - 1909 in Saline Co, IL
...... 2 Louisa Rhine b: November 28, 1836 d: February 11, 1874
.......... +Harrison Miller
...... 2 Mahala J. Rhine b: April 13, 1838 in Saline Co, IL
.......... +Archibald F. Webber b: March 29, 1834 in IL m: October 11, 1855 in Saline Co, IL d: February 28, 1877 in Saline Co, IL Burial: Webber Campground, Saline Co, IL
...... *2nd Husband of Mahala J. Rhine:
.......... +Isaac W. Hall m: March 22, 1882 in Williamson Co, IL
...... 2 Minerva Rhine b: 1838
.......... +John W. Anderson m: January 01, 1857 in Saline Co, IL
...... 2 Francis M. Rhine b: 1843 in IL
.......... +Leiha Hannah Smith m: July 27, 1865 in Saline Co, IL
...... 2 Julia Ann Rhine b: August 16, 1844 in Saline Co, IL d: October 06, 1921 in Saline Co, IL
.......... +? Smith m: in 2nd marriage
...... *2nd Husband of Julia Ann Rhine:
.......... +John B. Dejarnett b: Abt. 1838 in TN m: October 11, 1866 in Saline Co, IL
...... 2 Jeanette "Jinetta/Jenetta" Rhine b: August 24, 1848 in Saline Co, IL d: May 02, 1917 in Harper Co, KS Burial: Fairview Cemetery, Danville, Harper Co, KS
.......... +John W. Upchurch b: Abt. 1847 in IL m: August 08, 1867 in Saline Co, IL d: Bet. 1872 - 1879 in Saline Co, IL
...... *2nd Husband of Jeanette "Jinetta/Jenetta" Rhine:
.......... +James W. Snead b: February 19, 1835 in TN m: December 08, 1881 in Saline Co, IL d: September 03, 1922 in Harper Co, KS Burial: Fairview Cemetery, Danville, Harper Co, KS

Re: Need parents of Isaac RHine b. 1819/20 TN & Sarah E. ROBARDS b. 1819/20 KY m. 23 Nov 1843 Gallatin Co., IL.

Posted: 19 Jan 2013 1:03PM GMT
Classification: Query
Thank you for the information. From what I can find out Sarah is a Roberts and not a Robards. So I sent that information on to the people who had her in a Robards family. At least we know that she is not that Sarah Robards.
It would help people if you would post that extended Rhine family in RootsWeb.com, it would be a genealogical act of kindness for 2013.
Thanks and be safe
Dave richardson
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