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Lucas Martinez (Martin) father Jose Francisco Martinez

Lucas Martinez (Martin) father Jose Francisco Martinez

Posted: 16 Sep 2006 5:36PM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Pineda, Vigil, Martin-Serrano, Duran
Help please from anyone that has access to record of Taos Christenings. I need to verify the birth and parents of my grandfather Lucas Martinez born Dec 1852 in Taos County. His father was Jose Francisco Martin and his mother’s name is Ysabel. I believe the Lucas Martin shown in the 1970 Census (page 21, line14, #29) for El Rancho, Taos, New Mexico Territory (Francisco Martin & Ysabel with Juan Manuel, David, Lucas & Ignacia) is my grandfather. Lucas Martinez and brother Juan Manuel were Presbyterian ministers, however, I do believe they were born into Catholic family. Will anyone who has any knowledge about this Lucas please share.

Note: Lucas' parents/grandparents may have been born in Rio Arriba. Lucas & parents have also lived in Embudo, Penasco and Valleditos. -- Grace (Martinez) Mier

Re: Lucas Martinez (Martin) father Jose Francisco Martinez

Mier-Martinez (View posts)
Posted: 18 Sep 2006 6:46PM GMT
Classification: Query
Correction to prior message. Reference is to the 1870 census - not 1970. --Grace Mier

Jose Francisco Antonio Martin & Maria Ysabel Duran. (Ygnacia PINEDA).

Barbara Gonzalez (View posts)
Posted: 20 Sep 2006 12:56PM GMT
Classification: Lookup
Surnames: Martin, Martinez, Pineda, Duran, Vigil
Grace, I found the following; these names are closely
associated.

Name: Fransisco Antonio MARTIN
Surname: Martin
Given Name: Fransisco Antonio
Sex: M
Birth: 19 May 1792 in Quemado, , NM
Christening: 22 May 1792 Santa Cruz, , NM

Father: Vicente Ferrer MARTIN b: ABT 1769 in NM
Mother: Ysabel VIGIL b: Mar 1775

Marriage Ygnacia PINEDA b: ABT 1800 in New Mexico
Married: ABT 1818 in New Mexico

Children
Jose Francisco MARTIN b: 4 Oct 1819 in Taos, NM ***
Juan del Carmel Martinez MARTIN b: ABT 1820 in NM
Maria Ysabel MARTIN b: 27 Dec 1821 in Taos, NM
Maria Dolores MARTIN b: Apr 1827 in Taos, NM
Maria Refugio MARTINEZ b: Feb 1830 in Taos, NM
Maria Del Carmel MARTIN b: 20 Jun 1832 in Sn Francisco, Del Rancho, NM
Vicente Ferrer MARTIN b: 4 Jan 1835 in Sn Francisco, Del Rancho, NM
Miguel Antonio MARTIN b: 12 Apr 1837 in Sn Francisco, Del Rancho, NM
Maria Josefa MARTIN b: 23 Dec 1840 in Sn Francisco, Del Rancho, NM
Jose Guadalupe MARTINEZ b: 24 Feb 1842 in Sn Francisco, Del Rancho, NM
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Name: Jose Francisco MARTIN
Surname: Martin
Given Name: Jose Francisco
Sex: M
Birth: 4 Oct 1819 in Taos, NM
Christening: 9 Oct 1819 Taos, NM
Death: DEAD

Father: Fransisco Antonio MARTIN b: 19 May 1792 in Quemado, NM
Mother: Ygnacia PINEDA b: ABT 1800 in New Mexico

Martin, Jose Francisco
Marriage Ysabel DURAN
Married: 2 Jan 1843 in Taos, , NM
Children
Juana Maria MARTINEZ b: 15 Sep 1846 in Taos, NM
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Another Source: This is probably your Lineage

Name: Jose Francisco MARTINEZ
Sex: M
Birth: 4 OCT 1819

Father: Jose Francisco Antonio MARTIN
Mother: Maria Ygnacia PINEDA

Marriage Maria Ysabel DURAN b: Abt 1827
Married: 2 JAN 1843 in Taos,New México 2
Children
Maria Ignacia MARTINEZ ***
Maria Refugio MARTINEZ
Jose Vidal MARTINEZ b: 7 APR 1845 in San Francisco De Paula
Juana Maria MARTINEZ b: 15 SEP 1846 in San Francisco Del Rancho, NM
Juan Manuel MARTINEZ b: 12 JAN 1849 in San Francisco Del Rancho, NM ***
Jose David MARTINEZ b: 17 APR 1851 in San Francisco Del Rancho, NM ***
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Name: Jose Francisco MARTINEZ
Sex: M
Birth: 19 APR 1819

Marriage Maria Ysabel DURAN

Children
Jose Vidal MARTINEZ b: 7 APR 1845 in San Francisco De Paula
Juana Maria MARTINEZ b: 15 SEP 1846 in San Francisco Del Rancho, NM
Juan Manuel MARTINEZ b: 12 JAN 1849 in San Francisco Del Rancho, NM
Jose David MARTINEZ b: 17 APR 1851 in San Francisco Del Rancho, NM


Barbara Gonzalez of Tucson, Arizona.



Re: Jose Francisco Antonio Martin & Maria Ysabel Duran. (Ygnacia PINEDA).

Posted: 20 Sep 2006 9:29PM GMT
Classification: Query
Thank you Barbara,

You have given me quite a bit of good information here.

This is my dilemma. I have been advised that the Lucas Martinez in this lineage has a date of birth February 6, 1853. In the 1900 Census, my grandfater's date of birth is shown as December 1852 (two months – maybe less difference). Prior to 1900, I find no historical record where he can be positively identified except for his marriages. I feel that you are correct about my lineage, but the 2-month difference in the date of birth raises some question. Below is an excerpt from the 1870 Census, El Rancho, Taos, New Mexico Territory.There are too many similarities in what I know to be Lucas’ family to not wonder if there is an error in the data that reflects one of these dates of birth.

Francisco Martin, DOB abt 1820
Isabel Martin, DOB abt 1827
Juan Manuel Martin, DOB abt 1848
David Martin, abt 1852
Lucas Martin, DOB abt 1854
Ignacia Martin, DOB abt 1856

My grandfather married Maria Acencion (Isabel?) Romero. They had three children - Racquel, Ezequiel (dob 1885), Zacarias (dob 1886).

In July 1888 Lucas married my grandmother, Carlota Tafoya (dob Oct 1872). She was born in El Llano to Rosario Mtz and JuanDolores Tafoya).

As adults, my grandfather Lucas, his brother Juan Manuel and brother-in-law Teofilo Tafoya were Presbyterian ministers. I do not know at what point the conversion to Protestant occurred --whether it was before his birth or as a young adult.

I have ordered the Thomas Martinez book of Taos baptismals but have not yet received it. I am attempting to trace my father's family history, but I want to make sure I am starting on the right foot. It is like searching for a needle in a haystack of needles. Everybody just about has the same name and very similar dates of birth. If anyone out there can help me resolve these different dates of birth, I sure would appreciate it. Thanks again Barbara. --Grace (Martinez) Mier

Lucas Martinez & Carlota Tafoya

Barbara Gonzalez (View posts)
Posted: 21 Sep 2006 4:17PM GMT
Classification: Marriage
Surnames: Martinez, Tafoya
New Mexico Marriages, 1727-1900 Record

Name: Lucas Martinez
Gender: Male
Spouse Name: Carlota Tafoya
Marriage Date: 16 Jul 1888
County: Taos

Jose Antonio Martin and Maria Pineda

Barbara Gonzalez (View posts)
Posted: 21 Sep 2006 6:26PM GMT
Classification: Marriage
Surnames: Martin, Pineda
Name: Jose Antonio Martin

Marriage Maria Pineda

Children
Jose Antonio Martin b: ABT. 1769

Sources:
Title: Archives of the Archdiocese of Santa Fe
Repository:
Call Number:
Media: Book
Page: #37

Re: Jose Antonio Martin and Maria Francisca Sabedra

Barbara Gonzalez (View posts)
Posted: 21 Sep 2006 6:32PM GMT
Classification: Biography
Surnames: Martin, Pineda, Sabedra
Name: Jose Antonio Martin
Sex: M
Birth: ABT. 1769 2

Father: Jose Antonio Martin
Mother: Maria Pineda


Marriage Maria Francisca Sabedra b: 1770 in Albuquerque, New Mexico
Married: 23 AUG 1786 in Isleta, New Mexico

Sources:

Title: Archives of the Archdiocese of Santa Fe
Repository:
Call Number:
Media: Book
Page: Reel 37

Title: Census of 1790, New Mexico Territory
Repository:
Call Number:
Media: Book
Page: Plaza 1 of Albuquerue
Text: 21 in 1790, day laborer, genizaro

Title: Archives of the Archdiocese of Santa Fe
Repository:
Call Number:
Media: Book
Page: Reel 37
Text: Lists parents.

Re: Lucas Martinez & Carlota Tafoya

Posted: 22 Sep 2006 3:23AM GMT
Classification: Query
Thanks Barbara. --Grace
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