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Jacob Mossner - Bavaria, Germany- MIchigan

Jacob Mossner - Bavaria, Germany- MIchigan

Posted: 22 Jul 2000 7:35PM GMT
Edited: 14 Mar 2004 2:01AM GMT
I am looking for information on my Great Grandfather, Jacob Mossner, from Bavaria, Germany, born 1833. He and six brothers and their widowed mother (nee Caroline Bachman) immigrated to America in 1854 and settled in Frankenmuth, Michigan.

Jacon married Margaretha Reindal in Frankenmuth, Michigan on March 11,1855. Margaretha was born in 1836 in Wittenburg, Germany. My Great Grandparents had 14 children, including: Leonard; Adam; John; Louise; Barbara; Sophie; Peter; Anna; George; Mary; Henry; Gertrude; Carl Christian, my Grandfather; and a 14th Child that no one seems to know about.

Am looking for any family information, particularly, the ancestry of his parents. George Sebastian Mossner and Caroline (Bachman) Mossner.

Regards,

Stephen S. Barranco
Street, MD
sbarranco@worldnet.att.net

Re: Jacob Mossner - Bavaria, Germany- MIchigan

Dan Taylor (View posts)
Posted: 24 Aug 2001 8:26PM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Mossner, Mosner
Steven-
I'm currently trying to locate ancestry of Mr and Mrs George Sebastian Mossner also. Some background is provided from volume of Frankenmuth Families available here in Saginaw. My own ancestry seems to proceed from a Mattheus or
Matthias Mossner, who was apparently a brother to your Jacob
Mossner. Along with the six brothers you mentioned there was
also apparently an adopted daughter, who I believe was named
Anna. The Frankenmuth source gives Frankenhilf (now Richville) as the original place of settlement, with Jacob eventually settling in Frankenmuth.
Mattheus, married to Elizabetha, had among his children,
a daughter, Sophia, who married my great great grandfather
Frederick Boettcher (1845-1917). I'll get back to you on the
rest of what I've found. There are items that may interest you. One is a ship manifest from 1854.
Sincerely,
Dan Taylor

Re: Jacob Mossner - Bavaria, Germany- MIchigan

Posted: 24 Aug 2001 9:56PM GMT
Classification: Query
Edited: 20 Feb 2002 2:39PM GMT
Surnames: Mossner, Sams, Pringle, Woodcock, Murray
Dan,

Thanks for the Mossner information and your descendency from Matthias. I have no information on Matthias. I have pretty good descendents data on Jacob, my Great Grandfather, a little on George and a little on Moritz.

From Jacob, I descend thru his son, Charles Christian Mossner (my Grandfather), to my mother, Phyllis Ellen Beatrice Mossner.

Over the past 10 years, I have only been able to find two Michigan Mossner ancestors on the internet, not including you. One individual told me she had papers on George Sebastian Mossner back into Germany, but infortunately, she never answered me back. Will get back with you later.

Regards,

Stephen Sams Barranco

Re: Jacob Mossner - Bavaria, Germany- MIchigan

Dan Taylor (View posts)
Posted: 29 Aug 2001 12:13AM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Mossner
Stephen-
Thanks for the information on your branch of the Mossner family. I'm not sure if I mentioned this earlier, but there
was one interesting item in a volume of German immigration which I came across here at the Hoyt Library Genealogical Center. Unfortunately, I don't have the exact data here, so
that makes me somewhat unprepared, but it was from a ship manifest from December of 1854 which included a family headed by a George Mossner, his sons included all but two of those known from the family of Mossners who settled here in Saginaw County about that date. The two missing from this
family group are your ancestor, Jacob, and Moritz. To put this strictly speculative item in proper perspective however, it should be noted that there is no particular location of origin in Germany, or a specific destination, such as Michigan, in the USA. Moreover, the wife's name is given as Anna Margaret, which I believe contradicts information which you have provided about the widow of George Mossner. Still, there are coincidences. The ages of the sons, and apparently adopted daughter-also named Anna- seem to be very consistent with the census information available here. I will get back to you on the full text of the manifest item, but it opens at least three questions.
First, do you know for certain the given and maiden name of
the wife of George Sebastian?
Second, although the Frankenmuth Families source reveals that Mrs. George S. Mossner settled as a widow with her six sons and adopted daughter in Frankenhilf (Richville) in 1854, do we know for sure that George was deceased before emigration from Germany?
Finally, is there any reason to reject the possibility that Moritz and Jacob had emigrated at an earlier or later date than the rest of the family (I have found no listing for them in any of the referred to German immigration volumes)?
Obviously, if the answer to any of these questions is yes,
then we would have to disregard the listing as that of a different Mossner family. I will stay in touch. All the best.
Sincerely,
Dan Taylor

Re: Jacob Mossner - Bavaria, Germany- MIchigan

Posted: 29 Aug 2001 1:53AM GMT
Classification: Query
Edited: 20 Feb 2002 2:39PM GMT
Dan,

Thanks for your information on George Mossner. You raise an interesting possibility that the George Mossner and family travelling to US in 1854 was, in fact, the George Sebastian Mossner identified as the deceased husband of Frau Mossner who with her six boys and one (adopted?) daughter came to Frankenmuth area of Michigan in 1850.

I have copy of the text of a German document (either a passport or passport application) from the Kingdom of Bavaria, dated April 6th, 1850, which requests ( or grants) permission for Jacob sebastian Mossner, basket weaver of Machenberg (Pleinfeld District), presently of Mosbach to travel to North America. It is not a copy of the original document (just the transcription in German) so can't put too much stock on its meaning. One can make a small leap of faith and state that he probably left for North Ameica in 1850.
(don't put too much faith in it by itself).

I have portion of a copy of the Saginaw County, Michigan Marriage Records for the period 1835-1867 which lists the following: 1855 marriage of Jacob Mossner (age 22) to Margaretha Magdalina Reitel; the 1857 marriage of George Martin Mossner (age 28) to Dorothea Gansburg; the 1862 marriage of Moritz Mossner (age 25) to Elise Arsens.

I don't have any documentation on the widow, Frau George Sebastian Mossner (nee Caroline Bachman?), and her passage to Michigan with the 6 boys and adopted daughter.

I wish some of the Mossner descendents in Michigan with some family papers or documentation would step forward.

Would love to attend/hold a Mossner family reunion in Michigan. If anyone knows of any Mossners descending from George Sebastian Mossner and their six boys and one (adopted?) daughter I would like to contact them.

Will stay in touch, Dan.

Regards,

Stephen Sams Barranco

Re: Jacob Mossner - Bavaria, Germany- MIchigan

Dan Taylor (View posts)
Posted: 30 Aug 2001 11:39PM GMT
Classification: Query
Stephen-
Unfortunately, I don't have contacts with any Mossners here
in Michigan. I am related through my maternal grandmother, who was born in 1913 and lives in Saginaw. She seems to be the great granddaughter of Matthias Mossner, son of George. Her grandmother was Sophia (1859-1912) who married Frederick Boettcher. Their daughter Rose married William Beuthin. They
were the parents of my grandmother, Margaret Beuthin Sova.
I was at the Frankenmuth library recently, and interestingly there was a reading center named the "Mossner Room". I do intend to return to that town to check cemetery
records for St. Lorenz and St. Michael churches.
Because I'm researching some dozen names, it is a slow process, and I won't have the time now that I did this summer to pursue this new obsession of mine. I will however stay in touch. Best of luck in your search!
Sincerely,
Dan Taylor
p.s.
May I ask about the source of the name of Caroline Bachman
as the wife of George Sebastian Mossner?
Regarding that ship from Germany to USA (12-9-1854), it was
the Prinz Ernst August, which included the following passengers:
Mosner, George 58 occ. "weaver"?
Ann Margaret 50
George-Mathias 28
George-Martin 26
John-George 14
Paulus 12
Ann Margaret 7
No Jacob or Moritz are listed however, and both certainly were sons of Mrs. Geo Sebastian Mossner.
D.T.

Re: Jacob Mossner - Bavaria, Germany- MIchigan

Dan Taylor (View posts)
Posted: 5 Oct 2001 9:30PM GMT
Classification: Query
Dan, My Father's Grandfather was George, and his wife was Wilhamenia. Our information is that he came to America at age 11. Nothing was ever said about his George's father. They may have had the same name. I have Information on different parts of the family. and different places to go when in the Frankenmuth/Richville/Reese areas. You have already found the Mossner room at the library. Try the Frankenmuth Motor lodge, they have a Mossner room there and More information than you may want to know about. Try the Blumfield cemetary and you will find where george is buried. e-mail me and we will talk. Stephen P Mossner Please pass on to Dan Taylor smossner1@alo.com
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