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Darcy Family Nenagh Tipperary

Posted: 21 Dec 2011 6:10AM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Darcy McDonald Gleeson
Hi All
I am looking for any information on the family of Honora (also possibly known as Anne) Darcy from Nenagh Tipperary. She emigrated to Tasmania aboard the northumberland in 1853. Her parents are thought to be John Darcy and Mary Gleeson and a brother Patrick Oconnell Darcy. Any information would be greatly appreciated.
many thanks
Kate

Re: Darcy Family Nenagh Tipperary

Posted: 1 Jan 2012 7:18PM GMT
Classification: Query
Edited: 1 Jan 2012 9:45PM GMT
Hello Kate,

I found the baptism indexes for 10 children of John Darcy and Mary Gleeson, including the index for your Honora, at the Irish Family History Foundation website (IFHF) for County Tipperary (North). Before you can access the baptism indexes you first need to establish an account with the IFHF at the homepage, at: http://www.rootsireland.ie/

Indexes are free to search but it costs 5 Euros to purchase each baptism transcription, payable by credit card. Once credit card payment is received the transcriptions will be sent to your computer. I’ll give you instructions later on showing how you can purchase the transcriptions for 2 Euros each.

The baptism indexes are for Patrick (1831); James (1834); John (1836); Honora (1838); Martin (1839); Thomas (1840); Bridget (1841); Cornelius (1843); Mary (1846); and Patrick (1849). That there are two baptisms for a Patrick Darcy means that the first-born Patrick had died.

Four of the baptisms took place in the Nenagh Catholic Church. These are for the first-born Patrick, James, John, and Thomas. The other 6 children, including Honora, were baptized in the Youghalarra Catholic Church. Youghalarra is located just to the west of Nenagh.

According to information at the IFHF there are gaps in the Nenagh baptism records. The baptisms are extent for the year 1792, but don’t start up again until 1810 and continue to 1830. There are also gaps in the registers from 1831 to 1842. This means if John and Mary had any children in the 1820s, there won’t be records of these baptisms in the Nengah Catholic Church. The Youghalarra Catholic baptism records begin in 1828 and have no gaps in them the way the Nenagh baptism registers do.

The 10 indexes follow:


1 match for the search criteria: Darcy (plus variants) Patrick 1831 Parish: NENAGH (RC)

The cost to view the full details of the 1 record that you have not yet viewed is €5.00

Record Type: Baptism/Birth Records for Co. Tipperary (North)
Surname: Darcy
First Name: Patrick
Father's Surname: Darcy
Father's First Name: John
Mother's Surname: Gleeson
Mother's First Name: Mary

Year: 1831

Parish/District: NENAGH (RC)
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1 match for the search criteria: Darcy (plus variants) James 1834 Parish: NENAGH (RC)

The cost to view the full details of the 1 record that you have not yet viewed is €5.00

Record Type: Baptism/Birth Records for Co. Tipperary (North)
Surname: Darcy
First Name: James
Father's Surname: Darcy
Father's First Name: John
Mother's Surname: Gleeson
Mother's First Name: Mary

Year: 1834

Parish/District: NENAGH (RC)
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1 match for the search criteria: Darcy (plus variants) John 1836 Parish: NENAGH (RC)

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Record Type: Baptism/Birth Records for Co. Tipperary (North)
Surname: Darcy
First Name: John
Father's Surname: Darcy
Father's First Name: John
Mother's Surname: Gleeson
Mother's First Name: Mary

Year: 1836

Parish/District: NENAGH (RC)
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1 match for the search criteria: Darcy (plus variants) Honora 1838 Parish: YOUGHALARRA (RC)

The cost to view the full details of the 1 record that you have not yet viewed is €5.00

Record Type: Baptism/Birth Records for Co. Tipperary (North)
Surname: Darcy
First Name: Honora
Father's Surname: Darcy
Father's First Name: John
Mother's Surname: Gleeson
Mother's First Name: Mary

Year: 1838

Parish/District: YOUGHALARRA (RC)
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1 match for the search criteria: Darcy (plus variants) Martin 1839 Parish: YOUGHALARRA (RC)

The cost to view the full details of the 1 record that you have not yet viewed is €5.00

Record Type: Baptism/Birth Records for Co. Tipperary (North)
Surname: Darcy
First Name: Martin
Father's Surname: Darcy
Father's First Name: John
Mother's Surname: Gleeson
Mother's First Name: Mary

Year: 1839

Parish/District: YOUGHALARRA (RC)
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1 match for the search criteria: Darcy (plus variants) Thomas 1840 Parish: NENAGH (RC)

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Record Type: Baptism/Birth Records for Co. Tipperary (North)
Surname: Darcy
First Name: Thomas
Father's Surname: Darcy
Father's First Name: John
Mother's Surname: Gleeson
Mother's First Name: Mary

Year: 1840

Parish/District: NENAGH (RC)
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1 match for the search criteria: Darcy (plus variants) Bridget 1841 Parish: YOUGHALARRA (RC)

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Record Type: Baptism/Birth Records for Co. Tipperary (North)
Surname: Darcy
First Name: Bridget
Father's Surname: Darcy
Father's First Name: John
Mother's Surname: Gleeson
Mother's First Name: Mary

Year: 1841

Parish/District: YOUGHALARRA (RC)
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1 match for the search criteria: Darcy (plus variants) Cornelius 1843 Parish: YOUGHALARRA (RC)

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Record Type: Baptism/Birth Records for Co. Tipperary (North)
Surname: Darcy
First Name: Cornelius
Father's Surname: Darcy
Father's First Name: John
Mother's Surname: Gleeson
Mother's First Name: Mary

Year: 1843

Parish/District: YOUGHALARRA (RC)
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1 match for the search criteria: Darcy (plus variants) Mary 1846 Parish: YOUGHALARRA (RC)

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Record Type: Baptism/Birth Records for Co. Tipperary (North)
Surname: Darcy
First Name: Mary
Father's Surname: Darcy
Father's First Name: John
Mother's Surname: Gleeson
Mother's First Name: Mary

Year: 1846

Parish/District: YOUGHALARRA (RC)
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1 match for the search criteria: Darcy (plus variants) Patrick 1849 Parish: YOUGHALARRA (RC)

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Record Type: Baptism/Birth Records for Co. Tipperary (North)
Surname: Darcy
First Name: Patrick
Father's Surname: Darcy
Father's First Name: John
Mother's Surname: Gleeson
Mother's First Name: Mary

Year: 1849

Parish/District: YOUGHALARRA (RC)
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If you were to purchase the 10 baptism transcriptions for the Darcy children individually, you’d pay a total of 50 Euros, not to mention that you’d have to access 10 different indexes and include your credit card number 10 times. But, the IFHF allows you to buy all 10 transcriptions from one index for 20 Euros. To do this access the index just as you see it below, without the first names of the children, without their years of birth, and without adding the name of the Catholic parishes where the baptisms took place.

10 matches for the search criteria: Darcy (plus variants)
The cost to view the full details of the 10 records that you have not yet viewed is €20.00

Record Type: Baptism/Birth Records for County Tipperary (North)
Surname: Darcy
First Name:
Father's Surname: Darcy
Father's First Name: John
Mother's Surname: Gleeson
Mother's First Name: Mary

Year:

Parish/District:
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Kate, if you order the 10 baptism transcriptions, see if the name of the townland of residence for the Darcys is mentioned in each instance, as John and Mary may not have resided in the same place between the baptism of Patrick in 1831, and the baptism of Patrick in 1849.

To view a Catholic parish map of Tipperary North, showing where the parishes of Nenagh and Youghalarra were situated in relationship to one another, go to the Irish Times website link at: http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/browse/counties/rcmaps/ti...

Next I looked for the marriage index for John Darcy and Mary Gleason at the IFHF website but didn’t find it recorded in Tipperary or any other county in Ireland. This is unfortunate, as church marriage records often gives the names of the parents of the bridge and groom. With the names of their parents, especially their mothers’ maiden names, I could have looked for the baptism of John Dacry and Mary Gleason in Tipperary, as well as in the other counties in which the IFHF have transcribed baptism records.

Descriptions of Nenagh and Youghalarra, from the 1837 edition of Lewis’s Topographical Dictionary of Ireland, are below. The Topographical Dictionary can be accessed for free from the Library Ireland website link at:

http://www.libraryireland.com/topog/index.php


Best Wishes Kate,

Dave Boylan



NENAGH, a market and post-town, and a parish, partly in the barony of UPPER ORMOND, but chiefly in that of LOWER ORMOND, county of TIPPERARY, and province of MUNSTER, 19 miles (N. E.) from Limerick, and 75 (S. W.) from Dublin, on the mail road between these cities; containing 9159 inhabitants, of which number, 8446 are in the town, which is the largest (except one), as to population, that does not return a member to parliament. It was one of the ancient manors of the Butlers, by whom the old castle now in ruins is supposed to have been founded. In 1200, an hospital was founded here for Augustinian canons, who were to admit into it the sick and infirm: it was dedicated to St. John the Baptist, whence it was usually called Teacheon, Tyone, or St. John's house, and was endowed by Theobald Walter, the first Butler of Ireland, with lands for the maintenance of thirteen beds for strangers: after the dissolution of religious houses, the building and its possessions were granted by Elizabeth, in the fifth year of her reign, to Oliver Grace.

In the reign of Henry III., a member of the Butler or of the Kennedy family founded a Franciscan friary in the town, which was one of the richest foundations belonging to that order in the kingdom: it was finally leased by Elizabeth to Robert Collum for a term of years. In 1550, O'Carroll burned both the town and the friary, but the garrison saved the castle. In 1641, it was taken by the Irish under Owen Roe O'Nial, from whom it was afterwards wrested by Lord Inchiquin. Ireton, in his march against Limerick in 1651, invested the town and compelled the garrison to surrender at discretion. In the war of 1688, it fell into the hands of Anthony Carroll, an active leader under Sarsfield, who made it the centre of his operations, until compelled to abandon it on the approach of a force under General Leveson, when he burned the town in his retreat.

The town stands on a stream to which it gives name, that descends from the Keeper mountain to Lough Derg. It consists of four streets meeting in the centre. The market for corn and cattle, which is well attended, is held on Thursday: fairs are held under a grant by Henry VIII. to the Butler family, on April 24th, May 29th, July 4th, Sept. 4th, Oct. 10th, and Nov. 1st. The first fair held here was called Eanaugh Airoon, that is "a Fair in Ormond." General sessions are held twice a year, and petty sessions weekly: there is a courthouse for the meetings of the magistrates; also an old bridewell, consisting of 3 day-rooms, 9 cells and 2 yards. Application is about to be made to procure an act of parliament to make Nenagh an assize town. It is the residence of a stipendiary magistrate, and a chief constabulary police station. A seneschal's court for the manor was formerly held here. A fever hospital and dispensary are maintained in the usual manner: three physicians attend the former in monthly rotation, at a salary of £25 each. There is a small library of works of a religious and charitable tendency. An infantry barrack has been built on an eminence at the east end of the town, on the principle of a field fortification, with accommodations for a field-officer, 12 commissioned officers, 208 non-commissioned officers and privates, and 4 horses, with hospital accommodation for 21 patients and a magazine.

The ruins of the old castle, commonly called "Nenagh Round," on one side of Castle-street, consist of a lofty and massive circular donjon, or keep, with a yard attached, surrounded by high walls, which were originally flanked by four circular towers, and entered by a gate with a portcullis: the building appears to be of the age of the first Anglo-Norman proprietor. A brewery is carried on in the town; and at Tyone, in its immediate vicinity, is a flour-mill, from which large quantities of flour are sent to Dromineer, the nearest steamboat station on the Shannon, about five miles distant. There is also a small stuff manufactory. The town is supplied with water from wells, and is neither paved nor lighted. Near it, on the Dublin road, is a spring of excellent water, with a covering of masonry, on which are inscribed these words: "Erected by voluntary contribution, to commemorate the unparalleled benevolence of the English nation to the poor of Ireland at a season of extreme distress. A.D. 1822." The fee of the land in and about the town, amounting to 500 acres, is vested in the Holmes family. The town is in a populous and well-cultivated district, in which are a considerable number of resident gentry. The seats in its immediate vicinity are Richmond, the residence of R. Wells Gason, Esq.; Salisboro', of T. Poe, Esq.; Riverston, of John Bennett, Esq.; Smithfield, of Captain Boucheir; Wellington, of W. Smithwick, Esq.; and Brook Watson, of F. Watson, Esq.

The living is a rectory and vicarage, in the diocese of Killaloe, united by act of council, Feb. 16th, 1798, to the rectory and vicarage of Knigh, and in the patronage of the Bishop: the tithes amount to £350, and the gross tithes of the benefice are £636. 3. 1. The glebe-house was erected by a loan of £1200 from the late Board of First Fruits, in 1812; there are two glebes in the union,
together containing 18a. 3r. The church, which is in the town, is a plain structure, built by a loan of £1300 from the same Board, in 1809; and the Ecclesiastical Commissioners have lately granted £101 for its repair.
In the R. C. divisions the parish is the head of a union or district, comprising this parish and that of Lisbunny; it contains one chapel, situated in the town, where is also a meeting-house for
Wesleyan Methodists, and another for Independents. There are a parochial free school, a school under the trustees of Erasmus Smith's charity, and one under the Board of National Education, in which are about 290 boys and 150 girls. There are also six private schools, in which are about 170 boys and 80 girls.
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YOUGHAL-ARRA, a parish, in the barony of OWNEY and ARRA, county of TIPPERARY, and province of MUNSTER, 4 ½ miles (W.) from Nenagh, on the river Shannon; containing 4247 inhabitants. This parish is situated at the junction of the counties of Clare and Galway, where the Shannon expands and forms Lough Derg; it comprises 4,515 plantation acres, as applotted under the tithe act. The land is of inferior quality, much of it being moist and unprofitable, and there is a considerable quantity of mountain, but capable of being reclaimed. There are three extensive slate quarries of the Mining Company of Ireland at work, situated at Curraghbally, Corbally, and Clonebrien, where large quantities of slate are raised, for the exportation of which the steam navigation of the river affords every facility. The small rivers Newtown and Youghal run through the parish and afford sites for mills. On the north and east boundaries of the parish, between it and that of Dromineer, is the bay of Youghal, said to be one of the safest in the river.
The seats are Kilcoleman, the residence of Mrs. Finch, in a handsome and well-planted demesne containing some very fine oak timber; Monroe, the neat cottage residence of R. Power, Esq.; and a similar seat surrounded by thriving plantations, the residence of W. Smithwick, Esq. Fairs are held on March 6th, June 27th, Sept. 30th, and Dec. 13th. It is a rectory and vicarage, in the diocese of Killaloe, and is part of the union of Castletown-Arra: the tithes amount to £416. 6. 2.
In the R. C. divisions it is the head of a union or district, comprising the parishes of Youghal-Arra and Burgess or Burgesbeg, in each of which is a chapel; that of Youghal-Arra is a remarkably neat building of modern erection in the Gothic style, pleasantly situated on an eminence. On the lands of Monroe are the remains of a square tower, much dilapidated. Here are also the ruins of an oratory, supposed to have been a place of worship of the O'Brien family; and on a part of the wall of the old church is the figure of a head, with the inscription "St. Coonna, 434." A well near it is called St. Coulan's.

Re: Darcy Family Nenagh Tipperary

Posted: 2 Jan 2012 7:22AM GMT
Classification: Query
Dear Dave,
WOW, Im absolutely gobsmacked. THANK YOU so very very much for your help. I am in the process of trying to obtain the shipping records for the Northumberland to see whether Honora came to Australia with other members of her family. There are records in launceston Tasmania pertaining to a Martin, Bridget and Cornellius Darcy. Unclear at this stage whether they are related to her or not.

Do you know if its possible to obtain death certificates? And if so, would these have additional information regarding John Darcy and Mary Gleeson's parentage?

I am so very grateful for your information and advice. What a lovely way to begin my new year. THANK YOU. Im off to the IFHS to obtain the baptismal records.
Kindest regards
Kate

Re: Darcy Family Nenagh Tipperary

Posted: 2 Jan 2012 8:54PM GMT
Classification: Query
Edited: 2 Jan 2012 8:55PM GMT
You're welcome Kate. I really appreciate your writing back so quickly.

Birth, marriage, and death certs for all religious denominations, from the year 1864 forward, are available from the General Register Office (GRO) in Roscommon Town, County Roscommon. But, death certificates won't include the names of the parents, but will tell you who reported the death to the local registrar. The GRO home page can be found at: www.groireland.ie/

Death certs also do not generally tell you a lady’s maiden name either, unfortunately.

The last child born to John Darcy and Mary Gleeson, was Patrick. The IFHF index shows he was baptized in the Youghalarra Catholic Church in 1849. With the year 1849 as a starting point, I looked for the death index of a John Darcy at the IFHF website. Very few Catholic churches in Ireland have burial records for the 19th century, but because Youghalarra was situated very close to Nenagh, I looked for the death index registered in Nenagh. I found only one death index for the years from 1849 to 1920 for a John Darcy registered in Nenagh. This death took place in 1866. But there is no way of telling if this is your John Darcy from the index alone:

1 match for the search criteria: Darcy (plus variants) John 1866 Parish: NENAGH (CR)
Civil Death Darcy John 1866 Co. Tipperary

Record Type: Burial/DEath Records for Co. Tipperary (South)
Surname: Darcy
First Name: John

Year: 1866

Parish/District: NENAGH (CR)
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For the same time period I located four death indexes for a Mary Darcy, registered in the Nenagh Civil Parish, but like the index for John, there’s no way of knowing from the indexes alone, which, if any of the Mary Darcys is your ancestor. As noted earlier, the death transcriptions will not provide you with her maiden name:


Civil Death Darcy Mary 1864 Co. Tipperary


Civil Death Darcy Mary 1891 Co. Tipperary


Civil Death Darcy Mary 1895 Co. Tipperary


Civil Death Darcy Mary 1890 Co. Tipperary
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Kate, if you learn anything new about your ancestors, please drop a line. I’d be interested in learning what you found.

I also hope that you can make the long journey to Nenagh someday to see the places that your ancestors were familiar with.

Happy New Year.

Cheers,

Dave

Re: Darcy Family Nenagh Tipperary

Posted: 3 Jan 2012 1:11AM GMT
Classification: Query
Hi Dave, I purchased the baptism certificates, not all of them listed the town of residence. Honoras did list "Youghal". (Which I believe is now in County Cork rather than Tipperary, is this correct?) Also a Gleeson couple were sponsors for one of the childrens baptism and a Darcy was a sponsor on another, otherwise it appears to be whoever was at the church that day was a sponsor. I did a quick google search of the various priests who had baptised the children and I came across a story of the Rev Kenny, together with another priest, who under military protection unbarricaded a Nenagh church amidst much jeering and hostility.I believe that occured in the 1840s.

There is an immigration index for Tipperary, TIPPEM 1 and on that I found a Margaret Darcy from Youghal, parents John A and Mary, both dead, who emigrated to Australia aboard the ship Ida in 1864. Her two brothers Michael and Thomas had already emigrated. She was 22 years of age and a general servent. I was unable to find a baptismal certificate for her though. And Michael wasnt one of the names from your original search so its possible its another family. Thank you again for your assistance. I will keep trying to find more about the Darcy family and I am really looking forward to visiting Nenagh in the future!
Kindest regards
Kate

Re: Darcy Family Nenagh Tipperary

Posted: 3 Jan 2012 4:28AM GMT
Classification: Query
Hi Kate,

The Youghal where your Darcys are from is indeed located in Tipperary, located just northwest of Nenagh, on the shores of Lough Derg. You can access a map of Tipperary and Youghal at the Lonely Planet website link at:
http://www.lonelyplanet.com/maps/europe/ireland/

You'll have to enlarge the map of Tipperary several click before Youghal comes into view.

There is also a Youghal in County Cork. I believe Sir Walter Raleigh was once the Mayor of Youghal, Cork.

Kate, I really do hope you can make it to Nenagh and Youghal someday. I've spent many happy days in Nenagh, as my cousins are from there, and have lived there since my cousin Joe Harrington became a Garda in the 1940s.

Again, please write with any new or exciting information that you may find.

Best Wishes,

Dave





Re: Darcy Family Nenagh Tipperary

Posted: 15 Jan 2012 7:20PM GMT
Classification: Query
Hello i'm from Nenagh in tipperary the Youghal in the Nenagh area giving its proper name is called Youghalarra.

Re: Darcy Family Nenagh Tipperary

Posted: 5 May 2012 10:00PM GMT
Classification: Query
Hi Kate and others on contributing to this family line. I am wondering if my Darcy links into your line. My Patrick Darcy married MaryAnne Dunne/Barron on 31 July 1902 in Nenagh Tipp. Patrick's father was Michael Darcy Tailor. I was in Ireland last year and hope to return there again soon. Very special place! Carmel McEvey
I also include my email just in case I don't renew my ancestry subs and we could then still be in contact
carmel.genealogy@yahoo.com.au

Re: Darcy Family Nenagh Tipperary

Posted: 10 May 2012 6:09PM GMT
Classification: Query
My 5xgreat-grandfather was William D'arcy married to Margaret o'Connell,he was born 1794 died 20th April,1894,i have his death cert.They had 7 children but they had others between 1845 and 1851 which were not registered,as you know that was at the height of the famine.The children were born in Coolnamunna in the parish of Cloughjordan,near Nenagh.Might be something there,it's over to you.

Re: Darcy Family Nenagh Tipperary

Posted: 8 Jan 2013 4:13AM GMT
Classification: Query
Hi John,
Honora Darcy's uncle was a William Darcy born 1796 and baptised 30 Jan 1797. I don't suppose he is the same William as yours if the birth dates are different. Are you certain of your William's date of birth?
best regards
Kate
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