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Hodgins/Guest in North Tipperary

Hodgins/Guest in North Tipperary

Posted: 30 Jul 2012 4:28PM GMT
Classification: Query
Has anyone got any proven knowledge of when the Hodgins and Guests moved into the Newtown/Modreeny/Cloughjordan area?

There once was such a large concentration of Church of Ireland families - Hodgins, Guest, Armitage, Grant- in this area, something must have brought them here.

I am a descendant of Tom Hodgins of Newtown who married Alicia Lewis on 10 Jan 1843. I've seen the marriage entry for this in Cloughjordan parish records.
I have the death cert for Thomas Hodgins died 7th Nov 1870, place of death is Cloughjordan. He is married, aged 70 years, a farmer. Signature, qualification and residence of informant is Anne Hodgins, present at death, Cloughjordan. Tom and Alicia had a daughter Anne.

Also living round the same time is John Hodgins of Newtown and Richard Hodgins of Ballymackey

In the Tipperary list of freeholders for 1776 are James Hodgins, Thomas Hodgins and William Hodgins , all of Newtown.In the list of people paying Hearth tax in Tipperary between 1665 and 1667 published by Laffan in 1911, there is no mention of Hodgins or Guest or any of the main Protestant families of Modreeny.

I'm trying to squeeze the time period 1665 - 1800 and hoping that a Hodgins or Guest will pop out, so far without any joy.

Re: Hodgins/Guest in North Tipperary

Posted: 27 Aug 2012 2:51PM GMT
Classification: Query
A History Foundation that has a database online for almost all Ireland's county genealogy offices has birth, marriages and deaths for N. Tipperary. It is a not for profit but
fee paying website.

Possibly the reason you ae unable to find the records you want is that the Church of Ireland record for Modreeney
do not start until 1846, marriages 1845-1911 and deaths
1827-1911. These would be locally sourced.

Church of Ireland or Anglo/Irish were present in most counties from top to bottom in Ireland starting in about 1600+ and Cromwell's assault on Ireland, plantations of
Protestant farmers and also the British strategy of
wanting more Protestants in Ireland. The dominant church even in the 1800's was mostly the Church of Ireland and RC Churches and Chapels taking second place.

Church of Ireland parish registers are kept for most of Ireland's parishes if they had survived, wars, fires,and
poor conservation. You can email the CofI Representative
Library in Dublin to see if those registers are in their custody. Latest date would be 1899 after which the registers are kept in local custody.

You could try the Tithe's earlier than Griffith's Valuations and date from 1820-30's through Ireland.
These are available in bits and pieces on line but the records were at the PRONI, Belfast and National Archives, Dublin, these come with property descriptions, landlords, neighbours etc. and look similar to the pages of the Griffith Valuation. Ancestry.com now has the Tithe records in their Irish records. I'm not sure if you can go further back than that in official records as nearly all the census from 1841 on were destroyed in the 1911 Four Courts Fire.

The records you seek before 1864 are Parish records.
Tom and Alica's children were born to early to be in civil registrations but you should find their children on
www.familysearch.org (for free)

There is a death for an Alice Hodgins in 1908 age 86 estimated year of birth from age given at death 1822, *Civil Registration District, previously Poor Law Union of
*Borrisokane. Have you looked in the 1901/11 census
www.census.nationalarchives.ie

1901 Ireland Census:
3 Newtown Hodgins, Cloughjorden DED, Roscommon
(All born Tipperary unless stated)
Alice 79 head of household, widow, retired farmer,
Henry 41 son, farmer
Fanny, daughter in law 35
Alice 6 granddaughter
Ellen 4 same
Thomas grandson, infant
Eliza born Kings/Offaly a visitor (going to school)
Henry Mossop,59 retired St. R.I.C. (constabulary)
William McLoughlin 18, farm labourer, Church of Ireland born England

Griffith Valuation,1857, assume you have these:

Jeremiah Lewis, Parish Modreeny, Townland Newton (Hodgins)
Poor Law Union *Borrisokane, tenant of Lord Dunalley #1 house, outbuildings and land
23 acres 12 roods 14 perches and bog .0.0

(Neighbours)
Thomas Hodgins, Parish Modreeny, Townland Newton(Hodgins) Poor Law Union *Borrisokane, tenant of Lord Dunalley #2a 24.0.3 & bog 10.0.10
there are also a John and an Adam Hodgins, possibly sons, brothers, parent/grandparent?

Thomas Hodgins, Parish Modreeny, Townland Oxpark, PLU Borrisokane, tenant of Lord Dunalley
#7 land 29.0.4

Ballymackey is a Parish and a Townland in the Union of Nenagh.

www.askaboutireland.ie (spelling specific)

Looked in the directories for Roscommon:
1894: a Joseph Lewis, Postmaster, Killane Diocese, Union Nenagh
Richard Hodgins a farmer Ballymackey, Garravally
William Hodgins, farmer, Ballymackey,
Others would need to wait for my home computer.

www.censusfinder.com United Kingdom+Ireland+County
www.igp-web.com + County

There are 13 Hodgins in the on line Tipperary phone book,Nenagh & Ballymackey and others. 1st. page 3 Lewis in Nenagh.Guest in Nenagh and Borrisokane and Cloughjordan!!
Letter writing is inexpensive genealogy.

There were 39 Hodgins born in Ireland in the 1871 UK Census
and 370 Lewis born in Ieland, 24 Guests.

Annette Code

Re: Hodgins/Guest in North Tipperary

Posted: 9 Sep 2012 8:59PM GMT
Classification: Query
Thank you very much indeed for such a full answer.


I’ve already covered all the areas you’ve mentioned and I can trace the descendants of Tom Hodgins up to the present day.

When I was over in Ireland I went to the RCB and looked at the parish registers. The staff there are very helpful and their website lists the parish registers they hold and the time periods covered. http://ireland.anglican.org/cmsfiles/pdf/AboutUs/library/par...

Dunalley was the local landlord but I can’t find any tenancy agreements. I think they may have gone up in smoke.

I did find an account in the Dunalley papers in the NLI sent by James Hodgins to Lord Dunalley dated 5th March 1827 which lists amongst other things ‘To 9 girls picking nuts @5d £ 0 3-9’

Re: Hodgins/Guest in North Tipperary

Posted: 9 Sep 2012 10:57PM GMT
Classification: Query
Its amazing what is in the estate records, I went through the Earl Fitzwilliam of Wicklow's for about 100 years and through the voluntary (in this case) amalgamating of land. Even 9 shilling for a coat to go to North America.

Thankfully not everything went up in smoke although one
FW had a bonfire for a week.

I didn't realize the RCB website listed the parish's they have records for I've only ever been there in person. Annette
I'll remember that one. Thanks.

Annette

Re: Hodgins/Guest in North Tipperary

Posted: 12 Oct 2012 2:15AM GMT
Classification: Query
I have seen Hodgins and Guest in my family tree from
Tipperary also. Do you have any Colbert marriages?

Re: Hodgins/Guest in North Tipperary

Posted: 12 Oct 2012 2:50PM GMT
Classification: Query
Yes, I do have Culberts in my tree. Sometimes it is spelt Culbert and sometimes Colbert.

I have Adam Lewis Hodgins marrying Harriet Colbert in 1879 also John (known as Jack) Hodgins of Ballymackey marrying Roberta Culbert.

When and why did the Culberts move into the Cloughjordan area?

Re: Hodgins/Guest in North Tipperary

Posted: 16 Oct 2012 5:02PM GMT
Classification: Query
I wish I knew when they arrived. I have been trying to
find out for many years. I feel they were french at one
time.

Re: Hodgins/Guest in North Tipperary

Posted: 13 Dec 2012 4:36AM GMT
Classification: Query
Am interested in your Thomas Hodgins. My Gt Gt Gt Grandfather was Thomas whose son Married Maria Dagg at Templederry. Form what I am told John was a Horseman, who moved to Durrow Co Offaly. Later on hte Family moved to Moneygall (around the time of the Famine. My father has told me that his Grandfather moved to MOneygall to stay with his uncle Thomas Carry. James had a sister Anne who married a Markesby in Templederry.
Their burial place is Modreeny. That Hodgins line died out with hte last Male dying in the late 1970s. My Grandmother was the last of her family who passed away about 20 years ago. The Guest family are still in hte area. As you quiet rightly say there are no longer Hodgins in Modreeny/Cloughjordan Parish, but their descendents are still in hte parish. The church records to examine are the Church of Ireland one Modreeney, Cloughjordan, Templeharry. The methodist records primarily are Cloughjordan and possibly Borrisokane and Shinrone.
Sadly the graveyard map for Modreeney was lost in hte last 50 yeats. My father remembers seeing it in the 1950s.
My email is wjhealy2002@yahoo.co.uk

Re: Hodgins/Guest in North Tipperary

Posted: 17 Dec 2012 10:06PM GMT
Classification: Query
As far as I can ascertain, Thomas Hodgins of Newtown(Hodgins) had nine children, one of whom was John Henry Hodgins 1847-1916. John Henry had eleven children, one of whom was my grandmother Elizabeth Hodgins.

I will write you more fully after Christmas. Somewhere I’m sure we’re connected!

Re: Hodgins/Guest in North Tipperary

Posted: 23 Jan 2013 9:07PM GMT
Classification: Query
I've sent you data to your email address.
Can you let me know if you don't get it.
I've looked at Modreeny church records but not Templeharry so that's something for my next trip.
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