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Posted: 11 Jun 2000 12:00PM GMT
Classification: Query
Edited: 30 Jul 2001 3:16AM GMT
Surnames: John Jesse, Rebecca Perman, Julie Rebecca Jesse
John Jesse married Rebecca Perman, November 12, 1829 East Knoyle, Wiltshire, England (Parish Records, Society of Genealogy, London Eng. (reference #RG4/4486) also listed computer LDS Batch M152241/ Parish records- Index- GS\\wilts source.

They had two childrecn Julia Rebecca Jesse and John Percival Jesse.

Rebecca Perman

Posted: 15 Jun 2000 12:00PM GMT
Classification: Query
Edited: 22 Jun 2001 10:04PM GMT
Surnames: PERMAN
Hi Pat
The IGI shows Rebecca Perman baptised 14/1/1811 at East Knoyle dr of Robert Perman & Sarah Harrod who married there on 25/9/1800.
Robert was bapt there on 16/9/1780 son of Peter Perman & Katherine Powell who married there on 8/7/1773.
Peter was bapt at EK on 30/11/1750 son of Peter Perman & Ann Gasper who married at St Thomas's Salisbury on 19/8/1746
Peter Snr was bapt at EK on 21/6/1723 son of Peter Perman & Rachel Sheppard who married there on 1/10/1716.
All info from the IGI, but worth checking

Regards

David Taylor

Giles Parman/Perman

Posted: 9 Apr 2001 12:00PM GMT
Classification: Query
Edited: 22 Jun 2001 10:59PM GMT
Surnames: Perman, Parman
My 5th great-grandfather was Giles Franklyn Parman/Perman, born in 1758 in Pennsylvania. His father has been said to have been a Giles Parman as well. Do you have any information on Parman's/Perman's in England around the mid-1700's who may have immigrated to Pennsylvania? Any help would be tremendously appreciated. Thanks and God bless, Dave Parman.

Giles Parman

Posted: 10 Apr 2001 12:00PM GMT
Classification: Query
Edited: 22 Jun 2001 10:04PM GMT
Surnames: PARMAN
Hi Dave
Unfortunately I have no information on this family other than what appears on the IGI. However this would indicate that the family almost certainly came from Wiltshire which is not too well represented on the IGI.
I would suggest that you post your query also on the Genforum Wiltshire board.

Regards

David Taylor

Re: Giles Parman/Perman

Alan Perman (View posts)
Posted: 11 Sep 2004 12:00AM GMT
Classification: Query
There was a Giles Perman christened 5 April 1697. He married Rachel Hall 15/7/1723 in Stourton Wiltshire. I know this is too early a date for you but may be a prior relative.

Re: Giles Parman/Perman

Posted: 11 Sep 2004 1:15AM GMT
Classification: Query
Alan, thank you very much for sharing that bit of information with me. I'll bet this 1697 Giles Perman is part of our line. My 5th great-grandfather, Giles Parman (1758-1832), lived in PA during his service with the Northampton County militia in the American Revolution. He is believed to have been the son of another Giles Parman/Perman/Parmin, perhaps the grandson of this one you found to be christened April 5, 1697. Was he christened in the Episcopalian Church, or Church of England? My Giles had these children:
The following are the children of Giles and Elizabeth Penn Parman:

1. Emmanuel Parman; b. 12-12-1776, d. 2-16-1856; md. Elizabeth Yarrick on 2-11-1799 in Greene County, TN
2. Mary Catherine Parman; b. ca. 1779, d. bef. 1832; md. William Mackey
3. Rachel Parman; b. ca. 1780,d. 10-1839; md. John Henderson on 12-4-1800 in Greene County, TN
4. Elizabeth Parman; b. 8-17-1784, d. ca. 1862; md. David Girdner on 9-19-1805 in Greene County, TN
5. Giles Franklyn Parman, Jr.; b. 2-25-1786, d. 11-4-1877; md. Mary M. Woolsey on 11-24-1809 in Greene County, TN
6. Susannah Parman; b. 3-15-1790, d. 9-21-1859; md. Daniel Dunn(b. 12-26-1787, d. 10-10-1844) on 6-14-1809 in Greene County, TN
7. Joseph Parman; b. ca. 1792, d. ca. 1857; md. 1ST on 6-3-1813 to Nancy Vantriss, divorced and married 2nd to Margaret McGowen on 5-27-1816 in Greene County, TN
8. Jacob Parman; b. ca. 1795, d. aft. 1830; md. 1st to Desey Marr , md. 2nd to Polly Casner
9. *Frethias Parman; b. ca. 1797, d. betw. 1842-1848; md. 1st to “FNU” Black, md. 2nd Elizabeth Curtis

Child of Giles and Phoebe Woolsey Parman :
10. Massey Parman; ca. 1800/ aft. 1834, md. 1st to “unknown” Black, md. 2nd to John W. Freeman on 7-13-1834 in Knox County, KY

It may be coincidence, but I find it interesting that my Giles has a second oldest daugther by the name of Rachel, when the Giles Perman you mentioned married Rachel Hall July 15, 1723 in Stourton Wiltshire. Thanks again for sharing. God bless and keep you, Dave.

Re: Giles Parman/Perman

Alan Perman (View posts)
Posted: 11 Sep 2004 3:35AM GMT
Classification: Query
I got that wrong Giles was born in Stourton and married in Mere. They are about 2Km apart. His parents were William and Ann. Giles had two brothers. Richard christened 1686 and John christened in 1691. A sister Mary was christened in 1694. I don't know which church they were christened in. Stourton is not a big place it seems.

In the familysearch site, there is a Giles Parman born 1732 in chester county PA married Mary Dodson and had a son Giles Franklin Parman born 1758 Northampton PA.

There is no indication who were the parents of Giles born in 1732.

Re: Giles Parman/Perman

Dave Parman (View posts)
Posted: 11 Sep 2004 9:01PM GMT
Classification: Query
Alan, I greatly appreciate your sharing this immensely interesting information. With these 'puzzle pieces' you have presented, I am entertaining the thought that the Giles Parman (b. 1732 in Chester County, PA) may be the son (or other relative) of the Giles Perman (christened 5 April 1697) that you have mentioned. What is your source of information? Do you have British census tables, etc. for the 1600's and 1700's? It would interesting to know if the Giles (christened 1697) disappears from British records in the early 18th century, indicating he possibly migrated to America. God bless and keep you, Dave.

Re: Giles Parman/Perman

Alan Perman (View posts)
Posted: 14 Sep 2004 12:11AM GMT
Classification: Query
I believe you are probably right in that assumption. My source is the LDS website. I know it is not definitive and needs to be checked because they sometimes appear to manipulate the records for some reason.
There is no further mention of Giles after the marriage. This is not that uncommon although they do quite often appear as the parents of a child. I have built a table of the Permans of Wiltshire up to about 1812. So that I could attempt to trace our line of descent. I used a scatter gun approach and captured virtually every Perman and their parents in Wiltshire. I also have some in Hampshire and no doubt I will move on to Somerset and Dorset.

From what I can see in that area Somerset, Dorset Wiltshire border area, Permans were orignally Pearemans. I am not sure that this would apply in other Perman areas of Hertford Worcester and Surrey. But in Hertford the Permans appear to have largely reverted to Pearmans.

In the East Knoyle , Mere Stourton area of Wiltshire there is a gap in the records. So that William and Ann Perman appar from nowhere and have 3 sons and a daughter. One of the sons being Giles. I have a similar problem in what I believe is our line of descent. Thomas Perman dies in 1657, then in 1673 Thomas Perman son of Thomas Perman is born. There is no mention of the origin of Thomas the father.

Regards
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