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Tremper - Felter of Rockland County, NY

Tremper - Felter of Rockland County, NY

Posted: 1 Aug 2012 4:55AM GMT
Classification: Query
I am trying to find the Parents of Rachel Ann Tremper b. 1843 in Rockland Lake, Rockland Co. NY who married Charles Nelson Felter of same place, he was born abt. 1842...they had a daughter Maria Louise Felter 1868 - 1922 who married Wm. F. Bell of Yonkers, NY 1870-1905 And they had (4) children (2) girls Emily Louise Collyer 1895-1995 & Ann Marie 1898-1899 & (2) sons Wm. F. jr. 1901 - & John A. 1903-1905.

John J. Felter's parents were John D. & Hannah Myers Felter, they had John J., Elizabeth,Charles Nelson ( all born between 1830-1842.

I have been through alot of Tremper on line family trees that deal with Rockland Co. NY and notice gaps with in the childrens lists, I think my Relation's is one of those "Missing Links"

Also looking for the parents of Anna Estelle Tremper b. 7/1849 in Rockland Lake, NY d. 1928 in NJ - married 1870 Albert C. Collyer 1851-1941 of NY. & NJ.

Thanks for your help

Re: Tremper - Felter of Rockland County, NY

Posted: 15 Aug 2012 9:18PM GMT
Classification: Query
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Re: Tremper - Felter of Rockland County, NY

Posted: 15 Aug 2012 11:26PM GMT
Classification: Query
Hi Priscilla,
I saw your reply to Kevin and am unsure if your current information about Rachel Ann Tremper is incorrect. The October 13, 1859 edition of the Rockland County Messenger lists Rachel Ann Tremper marrying William Scank on Sep 28, 1859 in Nyack. Rachel and William had 9 children from 1860 to 1877, so it doesn't seem that the same Rachel could have had a child with Charles Felter in 1868.

Kevin,
How do you know that your Rachel's maiden name was Tremper?
-Brian Belanger

Re: Tremper - Felter of Rockland County, NY

Posted: 15 Aug 2012 11:57PM GMT
Classification: Query
By the way, both Rachels are listed in the 1870 census as Rachel A. and both are 27 years old. There was another Rachel A. Trumper who was born in 1843. Her parents were
Cornelius Trumper
b. Mar 4, 1812 in Clarkstown, NY; d. May 6, 1891 of paralysis due to old age; Oak Hill Cem: farmer; lived in Rockland Lake, NY
married
Hannah Maria Knapp
b. Dec 22, 1814; d, Apr 18, 1887 of liver cancer; Oak Hill Cem
Cornelius was a brother of Jacob J. Tremper who married Catherine Goetschius. I believe these are our two Elizabeths. The question is, "Which married Charles Felter?"
-Brian

Re: Tremper - Felter of Rockland County, NY

Posted: 24 Aug 2012 3:52PM GMT
Classification: Query
Re Rachel Ann Tremper.
Brian's messages of 15 Aug are correct.
#1 Rachel A. Trumper, b. 1843, dau of CORNELIUS TRUMPER (1812) and HANNAH MARIA KNAPP (1814) who lived in Rockland Lake/Clarkstown, Rockland Co.
#2 Rachel Ann Tremper married William Scank on 28 Sept 1859 in Nyack, and then betw 1860 and 1877 they had 9 children.
From records of descendants,not Brian, sent to me about 20 yrs ago, #2 is a daughter of JACOB J. TREMPER (1802) and CATHERINE GOETCHIUS (1806), who were married in 1825 and lived in the Rockland Lake area/Clarkstown, had 8 children, including Andrew Jackson Tremper (1833), George W. Tremper (1838) and Eliza Louisa Tremper (1841). They lived at Stagg's Corner, just N. of what is now New City and west of Rockland Lake. John J. was a shoemaker. After Catherine died, he re-married Sarah A. ___ and they had 6 more children! Rachel #2 is the one who married William I. Scank.
Rachel #1 must therefore be the person who married Charles Nelson Felter.

Re: Tremper - Collyer of Rockland County, NY

Posted: 24 Aug 2012 4:03PM GMT
Classification: Query
Re: Albert C. Collyer (1851) who married Anna Estelle Tremper (1849), I can find no such person as Anna Estelle Tremper born 1849 either living in Rockland Co. NY or anywhere. We have Tremper records collected fr all over the U.S. from their arrival in NYC about 1721, and all the descendants of the original immigrants, Johan Jacob Tromper and his wife Anna Christina Welcker and their 5 sons up thru the 1930 US Census and more. Our records have been gathered since about 1975 from numerous sources, some by traveling to county seats across the country. I've found no Anna Estelle or Anna or Estelle who fits the description.
Closest person I've found is an "Enna", who should be Emma, Tremper born 1848 to William Perry Tremper and his wife Sarah J. ___ of Clarkstown, Rockland Co. They are in the 1860 US Census and also 1850 US Census. William was b. either 1841 or 1825 and was a laborer. Emma had a twin named Agnes. We have no more data on Emma, just Agnes. So, by 1870 she could possibly have married and then changed her given name to Anna Estelle.. if you want to pursue that possibility.

Re: Tremper - Felter of Rockland County, NY

Posted: 7 Sep 2012 1:06AM GMT
Classification: Query
Her daughter's Maria Felther Bell 1868 - 1922 Funeral Home Record shows it - Maria died in Haverstraw, Rockland NY

Re: Tremper - Felter of Rockland County, NY

Posted: 7 Sep 2012 1:35AM GMT
Classification: Query
Also now have a John Henry Tremper b. Clarkstown, Rockland, NY 7/20/1837 - son of Harman, Jr. b. 12/25/1784 - 3/5/1861 M. 12/31/1802 Eliza Ann Bell, Grandson of Harman Sr. b. 9/15/1745 John Henry Tremper above M. 2/3/1863 Frances Hatfield Tompkins b. ? d. 3/18/1926 Darien, CT. daug. of Wm S. Tompkins and Martha A. Hatfield and granddaughter of John Tompkins & Thama Shute & Gilbert Hatfield & Martha Williams. No Dates on the wife Parents or Grandparents, just there names.

How is John Henry Tremper Related to my Rachel Ann Tremper Felter if at all ?

John Henry Tremper is buried in Yonkers, NY. there is no Death date on his Tombstone.

Thanks

Kevin

Re: Tremper - Felter of Rockland County, NY

Posted: 7 Sep 2012 1:49AM GMT
Classification: Query
Also just came across John J. Tremper b. 7/16/1794 NY d. 2/27/1872 Clarkstown, NY. M. 8/8/1818 in Greenbush, Rockland, NY Mary Baker b. 4/28/1799 Greenbush d. 3/12/1856 Rockland Lake - Children : John W. b. 2/19/1827 Valley Cottage, NY d. 8/14/1906 Rockland Lake, Ellen b. 12/23/1830 Clarkstown d. 7/2/1897 Clarkstown, Jane Maria b. 1833 Clarkstown d. 1880-1892 NY, Amelia Louise b. 11/10/1843 Rockland Lake d. ?

My Rachel Ann is also listed in this family b. 7/14/1849 Rockland Lake d. 12/25/1928 Montclair, Essex, NJ

How does John J. Tremper now fit in to all of this ?

Kevin

Re: Tremper - Felter of Rockland County, NY

Posted: 15 Sep 2012 3:29PM GMT
Classification: Query
Hi, Kevin,
There are two different people named John H. who are mixed up in your message. That is not surprising, since there are so many people of the same name born the same year or about the same time. The surname on this branch of the family can change between TRUMPER and TREMPER. Basic research using good sources will separate them.
#1. JOHN H. TREMPER b. Clarkstown, Rockland Co. NY on 7/20/1837; d. 3 March 1861 in Clarkstown; buried in Oak Hill Cemetery, Nyack, Rockland Co, NY. He was a Son of Harman TRUMPER (same family, spelling of name changes on and off) b. 3 Jan 1783 in NY; married on 25 Dec 1822 at Greenbush Presbyterian Church,Greenbush,Rockland Co. ELIZA ANN BELL, b. ca 1808; d. 24 April 1895; buried Oak Hill Cemetery, Nyack NY. His grandfatehr was Harman/Hermen Trumper, sr b. 9/15/1745 in Rockland Co. Sources for this are at the New City Public Library, Rockland Room, New City, Rockland Co. NY.
#2. JOHN H. TREMPER, buried in Yonkers is a different person, only distantly related to the Rockland Co. Tremper/Trumper family. My detailed story on him:

JOHN H. TREMPER (1836-1920+) of Westchester Co, NY
married Francis Tompkins (1840-1920+), Ice Dealer in New York City Area
John H. Tremper was born in July,1836 in New York State, probably in Niagara Co. His parents, William Tremper (1796) and Polly Myrick (1803) had grown up and been married in Jefferson Co. in or near Chaumont then migrated down to Niagara Co. near Buffalo. They moved to Lake Co, IN. William farmed, they had more children, and then he died in 1865 while at least one of their sons was away fighting with the Union Army. John H. Tremper moved with his widowed mother, Polly, and his younger siblings to join his elder brother Lorenzo Bonaparte Tremper (1825), out in Lower Lake in Lake Co, California. There they engaged in farming and grew mainly fruit. It appears to have been a very successful farming operation, and it continued into succeeding generations.
At some point, John H. Tremper moved back to the Hudson River Valley and settled in Yonkers in Westchester Co. He was a carpenter in 1870, but then became an ice dealer. He may have bought the Westchester Co. business from one G.R. Tremper,an ice dealer living near him in Yonkers who was a distant relative. G.R. Tremper and his wife moved to New York City where he continued in the ice business.
In the mid to late 1800's people in cities had no electricity and, therefore, no refrigera¬tors as we know them today. Instead, they had "ice boxes" which held blocks of ice or had an outbuilding called an ice house in which ice was stored and covered with straw to reduce melting. The ice was used to cool milk, and to preserve any other foods needing to stay cool. There was a wealth of ice, free for the hauling, on the Hudson River... which froze routinely every winter for several months, until sometime in the 1940's when a deep channel was dug as far north as Albany to allow the passage of ocean-going freighters carryint oil and other cargo all the way up the river. After the deepwater channel was dug, the river no longer froze, but the cutting and sale of ice for refrigeration was no longer viable anyway... due to the availability of electric refrigerators.
John H. Tremper and his colleagues who dealt in ice harvested it in winter, stored it in huge sheds somewhere nearby. Over the spring, summer and fall they sold the ice to businesses in the New York City area. Restaurants, hotels, and businesses selling perishable foods, as well as private homes all required ice.
John H. married Frances Tompkins in 1863. They had 8 children: Fanny E.(1865); Charles (1868); George R. (1872); Louisa (1874); Ella (1877); Harriot (1879); May (1881), and one more child who must have died young. Charles also seems to have died young, as he was not listed in the 1880 Census with the rest of this family.
John H. Tremper and Francis Tompkins lived until after 1920 when they were listed in the US Census living at 371 Riverdale Avenue, Yonkers, NY. at age 82 and 80, respectively. They later moved to Darien, CT and lived with a daughter.
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