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Royal Navy Architect -1859

Royal Navy Architect -1859

Posted: 3 Jun 2011 2:31AM GMT
Classification: Query
Edited: 5 Mar 2012 9:34PM GMT
Surnames: Watson
My grandmother told me that my G. Grandfather Isaac Watson designed the first iron clad ship for the Royal Navy in 1859.
The ship was the Warrior.
Could anyone tell me where to write to or go to where I can get information on Isaac Watson. He was in the Admiralty building in Whitehall at the time.

Thanks,
Sue

Re: Royal Navy Architect -1859

Posted: 3 Jun 2011 5:56AM GMT
Classification: Query
Edited: 5 Mar 2012 9:36PM GMT
Surnames: Watts
Hi Sue

Here's an article about HMS Warrior that may be of interest. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Warrior_(1860)
There's no mention of your Isaac WATSON, but it does state that the Board of Admiralty's chief constructor was an Isaac WATTS.

Good luck

Linda

Re: Royal Navy Architect - 1859

Posted: 3 Jun 2011 4:46PM GMT
Classification: Query
Thanks,
I have seen the name Isaac Watts on there also.
I'm trying to clear this up. This is why I'm trying to find out where in the admiralty to write so I can get any records on him.

Re: Royal Navy Architect -1859

Posted: 4 Jun 2011 2:28AM GMT
Classification: Query
Edited: 5 Mar 2012 9:35PM GMT
Surnames: Watts
Definitely Isaac Watts

Suggest you contact one or more of:

National Maritime Museum – http://www.nmm.ac.uk/collections/index.cfm they have a copy of Warrior’s plans signed by Isaac Watts [1st Assistant Surveyor, 1848-1860] and others – search for Isaac Watts.

Royal Naval Museum – http://www.royalnavalmuseum.org/

HMS Warrior Trust – http://www.hmswarrior.org/

Re: Royal Navy Architect

Posted: 4 Jun 2011 5:03AM GMT
Classification: Query
Edited: 5 Mar 2012 9:36PM GMT
Thanks for the reply.
I did email the hmswarrior.org and they replied with Isaac Watts.
This seems so odd to have the name so close and my grandmother to know enough about it to tell this story.
I'm beginning to wonder if my Isaac Watson changed his name or just used a different name.
His son Joseph Watson was a plumber/pipe-fitter for the Navy also from 1851 to sometime in the 1860s when he was let go because he stayed home one day to care for his sick wife.
Isaac's census records indicate his occupation with the Navy.
My grandmother also told me that he developed a system to pay men by the piece instead of the hour and was then moved from Somerset House to Whitehall.
I'm hoping to still obtain some records for my Isaac Watson so I can clear up just what his position was with the Navy.





Re: Royal Navy Architect

Posted: 4 Jun 2011 11:54AM GMT
Classification: Query
Edited: 5 Mar 2012 9:37PM GMT
Sounds like they worked in the dockyards,this may help identify records to look at http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/records/research-guides/r...

Re: Royal Navy Architect -1859

Posted: 5 Jun 2011 3:19AM GMT
Classification: Query
Edited: 5 Mar 2012 9:37PM GMT
Thanks for this website. I've been on the National Archives website but didn't see this part of it.
I have a friend who is over in London visiting and I hope will visit the National Archives for me.
I've attached the 1861 census where my Isaac is 4th from the bottom. I can't quite make out all the words in the Occupation field.

Sue in Canada
window_2thepast@yahoo.com
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Re: Royal Navy Architect - 1859

Posted: 5 Jun 2011 10:23PM GMT
Classification: Query
his occupation was given as:

Foreman Depart’t of the Comptroller of the Navy

As a foreman he would have been in charge of gang of men, probably tradesmen [Artisans], shipwrights, carpenters, plumbers or mechanical fitters etc., or a gang of mixed trades.

In that position in 1861, I assume at Greenwich Dockyard, he may have worked on the Warrior at some time during her service but is certainly not the Isaac Watts who signed the ship’s plans.

Re: Royal Navy Architect - 1859

Posted: 4 Mar 2012 4:43PM GMT
Classification: Query
Royal Corps of Naval Constructors:
The Royal Corps of Naval Constructors, whose members interchange their duties between the designing of ships at the admiralty and practical work at the dockyards.

Re: Royal Navy Architect - 1859

Posted: 5 Mar 2012 11:59AM GMT
Classification: Biography
Edited: 5 Mar 2012 12:00PM GMT
Surnames: Watson, Watts
Your Isaac Watson b.1801 d.1881 is most definitely a different person to the naval architect Isaac Watts b.1797 Plymouth d.1876 Thanet.

I assume you have details of each of the census for Isaac Watson with his wife Caroline, from 1841 in Chatham when his occupation was ‘Shipwright’, through to 1871 at 438 New Cross Road Deptford when he was shown as ‘Foreman Accountant, General Admiralty’. I have his death at this address on 20 March 1881.

Isaac Watts can also be traced through the census:
In 1841 in Portsea Portsmouth with his wife Emmeline, two sons & two daughters, when his occupation is given as 'Shipwright'
In 1851 Howley Place Villas Paddington London, widowed with three daughters at home, occupation 'Assistant Surveyor of the Navy Admiralty.
In 1861 Howley Place Villas, one son, three daughters at home, occupation 'Chief Constructor of the Navy'. Eldest son's occupation 'Admiralty clerk', eldest daughter 'Victualing Dept Somerset House'. Employed a governess, cook, and housemaid.
In 1871 Howley Place, living with two unmarried daughters, retired from civil service.
Isaac Watts died 11 Aug 1876 while at Broadstairs, Kent, where he was subsequently buried, though his will shows he was resident at Howley Place Villas.
At the time of Isaac Watts’ death his eldest son was a 2nd Class Clerk in Admiralty, second son was a Major in Royal Engineers, eldest daughter had married a Dock Yard Officer and two younger daughters were unmarried and continued to live together as shown by the 1881 & 1891 & 1901 census.

It seems likely that your grandmother’s story is only half right; as your Gt. Grandfather appears to have worked in the accountancy side of The Admiralty he possibly did invent a new payment system but he isn’t the man who, as ‘Chief Constructor of the Navy’, drew up the plans for HMS Warrior.

Hope this helps clear things up.
Regards
Linda
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