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Spelman once Spillane/Spellane in Tipperary and Offaly

Spelman once Spillane/Spellane in Tipperary and Offaly

Posted: 4 Jun 2004 1:22PM GMT
Classification: Query
Because some folks don't realize that Spellmans from Tipperary and Offaly could have once been Spillane or Spellane or some similar form, I wanted to post that information. My family probably originated in the parish of Aghnameadle, Tipperary, near the Offaly border. My own gggrandfather and his brother settled for a while in the parish of Dunkerrin, Offaly. The names often used included Edward (sometimes Edmond), John, Thomas, Denis, and Catherine.
My gggrandfather and one of his brothers emigrated to England in the 1840's. I would guess they changed the spelling of their name to look more British. I would be interested in corresponding with anyone who had Spellmans/Spelmans or Spillanes from Tipperary or Offaly.

Re: Spelman once Spillane/Spellane in Tipperary and Offaly

Posted: 21 Nov 2010 12:03AM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: SPELMAN
My great-great-grandfather Thomas SPELMAN was born in Tipperary in 1847. He moved to England at some point, and married Sheffield-born Mary in Portsmouth, Hampshire, in 1889 (may not have been his first marriage). By 1911 he was an Army Pensioner, still living in Portsmouth. He had four children (Elizabeth, Kathleen, Nora Annie and Thomas) and a step-son (Charles WILLIS). My grandmother Patricia SPELMAN is his grand-daughter, she has five sisters! I know of a number of her other relations, including her cousin Dennis SPELMAN who went down with HMS Royal Oak, sunk in Scapa Flow in October 1939.

Always interested to hear from a Spelman - or any variation thereof!

Re: Spelman once Spillane/Spellane in Tipperary and Offaly

Posted: 21 Nov 2010 1:27AM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Spelman, Spellman, Spillane
Interesting. I just keep spinning my wheels as I try to find my family back in Ireland. I know that my own gggrandfather, John Spillane (later the name was Spellman and Spelman in England) married Eliza Blackwell in Co. Offaly in 1844. Six months later my ggrandfather, Edward Spillane was born. Eliza is found in Stockport England in the mid 1850's. A son was baptized as William Blackwell, son of Eliza Blackwell alias Spelman nee Corrigan. Eliza was born Blackwell so I am guessing the birth father might have been named Corrigan. Eliza married again in 1856 - a widow. Although she and her new family and William (who was now Spelman) are enumerated in the 1861 Census, I can't find Edward. He must have been fending for himself. He married in Stockport in 1865. I am thinking that maybe John died back in Offaly and that is what precipitated Eliza's emigration to England. She would have been C. of I. and John was RC so she might not have been welcome after JOhn died. Or......... he could have died when they came to England, but I have had no luck finding a death record.

Edward,my ggrandfather, born in 1845, gave West Hartlepool as his place of birth when the 1881 census was taken. I did find a Spelman family there. I was able to trace them back to the Aghnameadle area of Tipperary. Thomas Spillane married Honora Talbot. They had four children baptized, but only one was with them in England. The other three probably died as these were the famine years. They were enumerated in the 1851 census in West Hartlepool, but I cannot find any of them in later census records. Thomas changed his name from Spillane to Spellman/Spelman.(His children were Edmond, John, Patrick, and Catherine, born in the 1840's in Tipperary. Only John came to England. Children born in West Hartlepool included Mary Ann 1850; Mary 1854; William 1855; and Thomas 1856.

There were no Spillanes in Offaly at the time of the Tithes so I think they all wandered in from Tipperary. ....... Also, there was an Edward Spillane in Dunkerrin, Offaly, who married Judith Meagher/Maher in 1833. Let me simply summarize and say that I think Edward who married Judith was a brother to my John. It is possible that Thomas from Aghnameadle was too as he named his oldest son Edmond/Edward and Thomas was a name used by my Spellman family. I believe the house that was "torn down" that belonged to Thomas Spillane is the one who married Honora Talbot. This means he was evicted and that would have been reason enough for them to emigrate to England. ............... In the 1871 census Edward Spelman gives a DIFFERENT place of his birth: Newcastle-on-Tyne, Northumberland. This one has me "over a barrel.

I also cannot find where any of the children of Edward Spillane and Judy Maher went (Catherine 1834; Mary 1837; Ellen 1839; Edward 1842; Patrick 1844; James 1846; and Johannah 1851.

Do you know where in Tipperary your Spelmans were from?

Re: Spelman once Spillane/Spellane in Tipperary and Offaly

Posted: 21 Nov 2010 3:53PM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: SPELMAN
Yes, by chance I found out last night after I posted my message! Thomas Spelman's British Army papers turned up online, and they state he was born in 1843 in the parish of 'Modereney' - Modreeny - near the town of Cloughjordan. He enlisted at Birr Barracks in 1864 aged 21 for "£1 and a free kit", into the 65th Regiment. I think he spent most of his service years as a private in the Service Corps, and saw action in Cyprus and Egypt. His records state he was first in Portsmouth in 1870; indeed he turns up in the 1871 census living in Coleworth Barracks, Portsmouth.

In Thomas' papers it states his next of kin - his father! So I now know who my great-great-great-grandfather is - James Spelman, also of Cloughjordan apparently.

Think I now need to make my first trip to Ireland...

Re: Spelman once Spillane/Spellane in Tipperary and Offaly

Posted: 21 Nov 2010 4:45PM GMT
Classification: Query
I have been in touch with someone who has Spillanes who are most likely connected to mine. We found some church records in the RC parish of Cloughjordan although the families lived in Offaly. Cloughjordan is the RC parish the covers the general area of the civil parish of Modreeny. Was your family Church of Ireland or Roman Catholic? I think it is worth our while to see if there is any connection with our families. My email address is janfortado@comcast.net It might be easier if we emailed.
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