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ROBERT DANIEL WALL

ROBERT DANIEL WALL

Posted: 3 Dec 2012 8:19AM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: WALL
I am looking for information on Robert Daniel Wall who was born in Dublin, Ireland possible son of
Father JAMES DENHAM WALL
Mother MARIA JEANNA O'BRIEN
Date of Birth 19 September 1862
Address LR SACKVILLE ST

Marriages Jun 1886
SMITH Amelia Ada Marylebone 1a 1119
WALL Robert Daniel Marylebone 1a 1119

1891
He is living with Amelia and 2 children @ 25 New Street Marylebone.Occupation: Cellarman

Mary E 4 Born Marylebone 1887
Marguerite A 2 Born Marylebone abt 1889


Birth Marguerite Ada Wall Oct-Nov-Dec 1888 Marylebone London

by 1901 Amelia is in Eastbourne with George Marchant and the 1911 census she has had 8 children 4 still living.

I have found children with George from 1889 through to 1903.




Re: ROBERT DANIEL WALL

Posted: 4 Dec 2012 1:24AM GMT
Classification: Query
If he was born in Dublin City try:

www.irishgenealogy.ie (free) click on church records

Also both South Dublin county and North Dublin county have
records on line with separate genealogy offices. They are
both members of an Irish History Foundation.

You should easily find Robert Wall there and his siblings
since you have both his parents names. If your are not sure of the correct parents names you can search just for Robert and his birth year. A birth record in Ireland comes with mother and father's names and mother's maiden name, parish/place and date. Once you have the correct ones you can find the siblings.This site has parish records that go well back as well as having 1864+ civil registrations and parish records. After 1864 if he had
siblings you can get copies of their birth certificates
from the General Registry Office in Dublin.

www.groireland.ie

I have an 1871 UK Census which identifies Irish born person's.

There are several Robert's but no Robert Daniel Wall's.
He would of been about 9, but none in Marylebone/London?
23 James no James Denham Wall, Lancashire, Yorkshire, London - Surry, London-Middlesex, Middlesex.

Griffith Valuation of Dublin county 1854:

James Arthur Wall, St. Peter Parish, Baggot St. Lower (Fitzwilliam Market)Poor Law Union of Dublin South
tenant of Mrs. Gray

#28 house, outbuilding, yard and small garden

(I've stayed on Baggot St. I would call it downtown Dublin myself)
also:

William Wall #6 Curch Lane - house and yard

James Wall, Parish Donnybrook, Townland Donnybrook East,
PLU Dublin South, tenant of John Madden Esq.

#57 James Wall & others, Church Lane, house and yard (1849)

There are separate (5) James Wall's for Dublin City,
St. Mary's Parish, Moor St. and St. Thomas, North Strand
www.askaboutireland.ie

Denham was a family of Nobility, and probably like most
well to do and aristocrats also had estates in Ireland.
Usually middle names are saving their mother's maiden names and passing them down.

Few people had middle names in that era so I put forward a
guess that James Arthur maybe your James Denham Wall's father and a Protestant!

Civil Registrations for Church of Ireland marriages 1845-1862, no records for a James Denham Wall nor wife
Maria Jeanna O'Brien. The last date being June 17, 1862.

Directories 1870 as this should fit close to 1862: Several lawyer/solicitors on Baggot St.and then YES!!

John Denham Wall, silk mercer, milliner and dressmaker, by
Appointment to Her Excellency the Countess Spencer #48&49 Lower Sackville St. Residence 38 Leinster Rd, Rathmines,Dublin (doubled checked it is John not James, but could be Robert's father?

1881 UK Cenus:
Robert Wall age 18, born Dublin
Living at 39 Union Street, at Victular(drink) William Bough
he is a postman, Marlebone Civil Parish, All Souls
other residents are Bar Man, Frank godden age 21 Bar Inn Hotel

Annette Code


Did not find him in earlier 1824 unless his ancestor was
a Glove manufacturer and dealer 62 Henry St. Dublin,
also a breeches maker 26 Dawson St.

(James Alexander The solicitor, Judge, Queens Council, etc.
consistently from 1824-1894)

There were over 100 O'Brien's in business in 1870 Dublin.
Do you have Maria's fathers first name?

Re: ROBERT DANIEL WALL

Posted: 5 Dec 2012 10:05AM GMT
Classification: Query
thank you Annette for this information I sh
all follow up on the information.
Mary
TASMANIA

Re: ROBERT DANIEL WALL

Posted: 5 Dec 2012 10:18AM GMT
Classification: Query
I don't have Maria's fathers name.
Daniel is not related to me. His wife is my ancestor so I am trying to find out what happened to him and his 2 daughters
Mary E born 1887 and Marguerite Ada born 1889 Marylebone, Middlesex, England
The only Marguerite Ada Wall I found was married in
1920 to Jacob Johann Fried Goth CROOIJ , Administrator Cooperative, born on 31.05.1872 in Kralingen deceased on 11.07.1952 in Antwerp at the age of 80,

Re: ROBERT DANIEL WALL

Posted: 7 Dec 2012 3:34PM GMT
Classification: Query
Irish marriage records give name of father if that applies. I don't know about English records but I use
www.freebmd.co.uk or www.familysearch.org

Annette

Re: ROBERT DANIEL WALL

Posted: 8 Dec 2012 12:52AM GMT
Classification: Query
I use these sites too.
Another good one is http://www.freereg.org.uk/cgi/Search.pl for Bapt Marriage and Burials

Re: ROBERT DANIEL WALL

Posted: 2 Jan 2013 11:42AM GMT
Classification: Query
Hi Annette,
Checked the 1881 cenus
1881 UK Cenus:
Robert Wall age 18, born Dublin
Living at 39 Union Street, at Victular(drink) William Bough
he is a postman, Marlebone Civil Parish, All Souls
other residents are Bar Man, Frank godden age 21 Bar Inn Hotel


Robert was a Potman
POTMAN was a merchant peddling pots of stout and porter. Porter is a type of beer which is dark coloured. The name came about in the 18th century due to the drink's popularity in London among river porters.

Re: ROBERT DANIEL WALL

Posted: 5 Jan 2013 12:01AM GMT
Classification: Query
This might be a sister of your Robert, although I'm aware you're not positive who Robert's parents are (irishgenealogy.ie):

Area - DUBLIN (RC) , Parish/Church/Congregation - ST. MARY, PRO CATHEDRAL

Baptism of MARIA JEANNA SOPHIA WALL of 48 LR SACKVILLE ST on 31 October 1860

Name MARIA JEANNA SOPHIA WALL
Date of Birth 10 October 1860
Address 48 LR SACKVILLE ST
Father JOANNES DENHAM WALL
Mother MARIA JEANNA O'BRIEN
Further details in the record
Sponsor 1 ROBERTUS WALL ***
Sponsor 2 ALICIA MARIA O'BRIEN **
Priest GUILLELMUS PURCELL

*** an uncle of "your" Robert?
** a sister of Maria O'Brien?

Happy hunting!
Colette

Re: ROBERT DANIEL WALL

Posted: 16 Jan 2013 12:03AM GMT
Classification: Query
Hi, going through some messages I hadn't been able to get to.
I don't know if it was my eye sight or someone elses who
had postman not potsman. Less boring for sure. People drank so much then. I remember being surprised when Puritan's gave children beer as a regular beverage, maybe they learned early about 'water'. One thing I found in Ireland was about 'spirit dealers' not the old fashioned public houses. Often sold in a person house. What we call a living room would be where the family served drink, poteen, and lived in the back. don't you just love this. Annette

Re: ROBERT DANIEL WALL

Posted: 19 Jan 2013 2:40AM GMT
Classification: Query
Colette, Thank you for your effort of looking for information.
I do have this sister.
Their brother lived in London Henry Denham Wall married 1883 Laura Pipe and had a daughter Mary Joyce.
Henry married again 1904 to Gwenie Lewis.

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