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Johanne Petronelle 's father Jens Olsen - b. abt 1824 Frederickshald??

Johanne Petronelle 's father Jens Olsen - b. abt 1824 Frederickshald??

Posted: 8 Jul 2009 5:14AM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Olsen Pedersen Jensen Brynildsen
I am looking for more information about my GG grandmother Johanne Petronelle Jensdatter's father Jens Olsen

I know her mother was Boel Marie Johannesdatter( b. 15 April 1824 -Idd halden) & Jens Olsen ( b. abt 1824-Frederickshald)

Boel's parents= Johannes Olsen Stokkebro & Pernille Olsdatter Sanden

I am trying to find out more information about Jens Olsen?? Who were his parents etc. There seem to be a couple Jens Olsen 's about the same age in the Idd area. However I can not seem to find the right one??

Boel was not married to Jens when Petronelle was born & later married Carl Brynildsen in Idd -8 Oct 1848.

Johanne Petronelle was deaf & married Claudius Magnus Pedersen( also deaf)-They both went to the deaf school in Oslo & they may have married in Idd or Oslo??

Do you think you or someone might be able to help me??

Mange tusen takk,

Jan:)
Canada

Re: Johanne Petronelle 's father Jens Olsen - b. abt 1824 Frederickshald??

Posted: 8 Jul 2009 7:41AM GMT
Classification: Query
Hi

Here you have Johanne in the 1865 census living with her mother and stepfather in Aas:
http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/WebCens.exe?slag=visbas...
and in the 1875 census she is living with her husband and son in Christiania (Oslo):
http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/WebCens.exe?slag=visbas...

Johanne's son Petter Bernhard was born Oct 4 and baptized Oct 27, 1872 in Gamle Aker church in Oslo. No 443 at the bottom:
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=5780&i...

Vivi

Re: Johanne Petronelle 's father Jens Olsen - b. abt 1824 Frederickshald??

Posted: 8 Jul 2009 4:31PM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Pedersen Olsen Brynildsen Pettersen
Hi Vivi

Thanks for the information. I have a lot of information about Petter Bernhard & the Census information of Claudius & Petronelle.

However I am at a big roadblock to find Petronelle's birth father Jens Olsen but he must have been in Idd around when she was born in 1845-1846 . But I cant seem to locate the correct one? There are a couple of Jens in Idd b. abt 1824 but I do not know which one??

I also can not find Claudius Magnus & Johanne Petronelle's marriage?? I think they married in Oslo- but it could be in Aas, Idd or Stange??

Do you think you could find their marriage?? I guess Petronelle could have used Jensdatter or Brynildsen or Brynildsdatter for a surname?? I think they married around 1871.

Re: Johanne Petronelle 's father Jens Olsen - b. abt 1824 Frederickshald??

Posted: 9 Jul 2009 10:32AM GMT
Classification: Query
Hi

Johanne and Claudius were married in Aas Oct 23, 1869. No 12:
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=5749&i...

No more information about Johanne's father. Just the name Jens Olsen.

Vivi

Re: Johanne Petronelle 's father Jens Olsen - b. abt 1824 Frederickshald??

Posted: 9 Jul 2009 3:22PM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Pedersen Olsen Brynildsen Jensdatter
Oooh Vivi,

You do not know what this means to me!!! It is the Best birthday present I have ever received in the whole world!!

Can you read the rest of the information & names? can you tell me what is says..I see a Karl ____ Vold Andersen??

Claudius parents were Peder Svendsen Praetsen Wold (b. 2 Feb 1783-Romedal)& Martha Pedersdatter(b. 29 Aug 1802 Toten)

Do you think Karl could have been a brother to Claudius??

I looked at Johanne Petronelle's- Baptism/or birth record again- it does shows father as Jens Olsen- Fredrickshald- occupation was a shraederman/ tailorman.But that is all the information it gives.

I think Johanne Petronelle was an only child/ she was deaf and I was told once that Jens died young but was not given any details ?? I am not sure if he was deaf too? Perhaps he was dead before Boel married Carl Brynildsen in 1848 in Idd?

I was also told the Claudius Magnus Pedersen was the shoemaker to the King and that his son Olaf Klaudius Johannes Pederson( b.26 June 1886) was in the "Kings Guard"( they had horses etc). But I do not know how I could confirm this information??

THANK YOU!! Mange tusen takk,

For all your help!!

bye for now
Jan:)

Re: Johanne Petronelle 's father Jens Olsen - b. abt 1824 Frederickshald??

Posted: 10 Jul 2009 6:27AM GMT
Classification: Query
Hi

Here is how I read it:
23 okt (date of marriage)
Ungk (short for ungkarl = bachelor)
Klaudius Magnus Pedersen
pige (unmarried girl)
Johanne Petronelle Jensd
Stange-? (his birthplace)
Id (her birthplace)
38 (his age; 38 years)
23 (her age; 23 years)
Peder Svendsen (his father)
Jens Olsen (her father)
Knud B? Vold ?? (bestmen)
26/9 10-17/10 (dates for announcement of the marriage)
Knud Vold (asked for announcement of the marriage)
Begge døvstumme at. ? f. Heg?dal 26/1-54
at. ? F. Tangen 30/5-64
(both deaf-mute (he has) cert ? from Heg?dal Jan 26, 1854
(she has) cert ? from Tangen May 30, 1864)

The children I have found for them are:
Martha born Aug 14, 1870 and died in Fredrikshald (Halden) Oct 16, 1874
Petter Bernhard
Martha Marie born June 7, 1876
Olaf Klaudius Johannes born May 26, 1886. He emigrated May 4, 1906 to Canada. He was a kusk = coachman.
http://digitalarkivet.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&am...

Vivi

Re: Johanne Petronelle 's father Jens Olsen - b. abt 1824 Frederickshald??

Posted: 10 Jul 2009 9:01AM GMT
Classification: Query
Hi again

Johanne's stephfather, Carl Brynildsen died Apr 30, 1872 in Aas (today Ås) and was not burried before June 23. No 11:
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=5750&i...
The note after his death: Ved hængning (= by hanging) and a word I'm not able to read.

There is no online record of women who died between 1871 and 1880 in Aas/Ås. I have searched for Boel's death before and after this period and not found her so I guess Boel died one of those years or she might have moved.

Vivi

Re: Johanne Petronelle 's father Jens Olsen - b. abt 1824 Frederickshald??

Posted: 10 Jul 2009 10:42AM GMT
Classification: Query
Hi again

The bestman of Johanne and Claudius was of course KARL not Knud as I wrote. Sorry.

Maybe you have the marriage of Petter and Karoline?
Anyway here it is. Paulus church, Oslo:
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=5818&i...

They had a son before they were married, Magnus Olaf Klaudius. No 18:
http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=5433&i...

In the 1900 census for Oslo:
http://digitalarkivet.uib.no/cgi-win/WebCens.exe?slag=visbas...

Petter emigrates Apr 7, 1902:
http://digitalarkivet.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&am...
Karoline with their children emigrates 1907:
http://digitalarkivet.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&am...
She was going to Ottava.

Vivi




Re: Johanne Petronelle 's father Jens Olsen - b. abt 1824 Frederickshald??

Posted: 10 Jul 2009 11:23AM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Pedersen Olsen Jensdatter Brynildsen
Hi Vivi

That doesnt sound too good for Carl? I wonder why he died by hanging?? Did he do something wrong or did he hang himself?

I did not know about the first Martha (B. 1870)-I wonder what she died from?

Peter was my Great grandfather..They all came to Canada both Olof & Peter died in Alberta and Martha died in Los Angeles.

There was one more daughter Ragna Petra Pedersdatter b. 17 Oct 1880 In ??Oslo Norway married Ragnvald Hansen( b. 29 De c 1880_Skeksmo??)

I found Ragna immigration but can't find her birth:

Emigranter over Kristiania 1871-1930
År Side Linjenr Ny fam.gr. Eksp.dato Reisedato Førenamn Etternamn Sivilstand Fam. stilling Yrke Kjønn Fødd Heimstad Reisemål Medbrakte pengar Linje Skip Frakt (kr) Bet. opplys. Føremål Nasjonalitet Løyve Merknad
183600 1908 175 26 25.03.1908 27.03.1908 Engebret Gunnars. Skjærbak ug arb. m 21.10.89 Elverum Minnesota Kjerschow United States Prp tj. penge R.
183601 1908 175 27 1 25.03.1908 27.03.1908 Erik Arnt Anders. ug snedker m 07.09.82 Amerika New York 60 Kjerschow United States 152 Amerikaner
183602 1908 175 28 1 25.03.1908 27.03.1908 Julius Edvard Johans. Stang ug sjømand m 12.02.72 Amerika New York 230 Kjerschow United States 117 udv. 25.02.04
183603 1908 175 29 1 25.03.1908 28.03.1908 Ragnvald Hans. g murer m 29.12.80 Steensgd. 3 III New York 40 M. R. Raffel Montebello Prp bedre fortj. udv.till.
183604 1908 175 30 25.03.1908 28.03.1908 Ragna Petra Hans. f Peders. g k 17.10.80 Steensgd. 3 III New York M. R. Raffel Montebello Prp
183605 1908 175 31 25.03.1908 28.03.1908 Ragnar Hugo Normann Hans. ug b m 14.05.02 Steensgd. 3 III New York M. R. Raffel Montebello Prp
183606 1908 175 32 25.03.1908 28.03.1908 Ragnhild Hans. ug b k 07.09.04 Steensgd. 3 III New York M. R. Raffel Montebello Prp
183607 1908 175 33 25.03.1908 28.03.1908 Ruth Ingrid Hans. ug b k 17.12.06 Steensgd. 3 III New York M. R. Raffel Montebello Prp
183608 1908 175 34 1 25.03.1908 27.03.1908 Marie Josefine Aaserud ug hj. k 22.02.90 Tune New York 40 Kjerschow United States Prp tj. penge
183609 1908 175 35 1 25.03.1908 27.03.1908 Even Svends. Baardseth ug gårdsbestyrer m 22.06.82 Ringsaker Wisconsin 700 Kjerschow United States Prp tj. p

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Ragna also immigrated to the USA then to Frontier Saskatchewan Canada & died there.

What would the "cert" be for? Claudius went to Oslo deaf school & was trained to be a shoemaker & Petronelle was trained to be a Seamstress.

Claudius had several deaf siblings but most of them died..The brothers & sisters I have for him were:

Elvine Sophia (b.15 Nov 1833-d. 1834 Stange
Elvine Sophia (b.2 March 1835- d.?? Oslo??)I think she married Oliv Eriksen (b.1840- Stange) -Children??
Peter Pedersen- b. 1837-d?
Gustav b. 19 June 1840 Stange- d??

Yes, I found Peter & Caroline's marriage awhile ago now- it took me for ever to find it!!

Their children:
Magnus Olaf Klaudius(b.5 Nov 1892)
Hilmer Eugen(b.1 Dec 1894-d.??-Before 1900)
Ellef Barnholt( b. 5 May 1897-16 May 1900)
Ella Karen Johanne ( b. 15 Sept 1899)
Mary Katherine( b. 23 May 1902)

Poor Caroline just lost Eugen & Ellef & then Peter left for the Canada before she had Mary in May 1902- It must have been a sad time for her??

Martha Marie - married Fritjof Nicolaus Frantzen(b.13 Jan 1877-Skedsmo) on 4 Apr 1897-Oslo
Olof married-Jennie Caren Schiel(b. Oct 1888-Denmark)

I have been looking for Ragna but cant seem to find her?

Bye for now

Mange tusen takk

Jan:)





Re: Johanne Petronelle 's father Jens Olsen - b. abt 1824 Frederickshald??

Posted: 10 Jul 2009 3:17PM GMT
Classification: Query
Hi

Ragna Petra was baptized in Paulus church, Oslo Des 26, 1880. No 259 bottom half:http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=7195&i...

I would guess Carl hanged himself and was found after several days, but I don't know.

Vivi
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