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Echota Cherokee and Cherokee Tribe of Northeast Alabama

Echota Cherokee and Cherokee Tribe of Northeast Alabama

Otis Fuller (View posts)
Posted: 27 Mar 2004 2:18AM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Ridge, White, Blankenship,Thompson,Fields,Abernathy,Blackmon,LiveOak,Knight,etc....
For those people who have Cherokee heritage from Alabama, but can't seem to connect with the "usual" Federal Rolls; Check out the above tribes, (State of Alabama recognized). If I had known about these, it would have saved me a lot of time and trouble, as I have found relatives in Echota Tribe. ( Also, I feel as if I've educated myself a lot more (re; Cherokee History, etc).
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Re: Echota Cherokee and Cherokee Tribe of Northeast Alabama

vance (View posts)
Posted: 28 Mar 2004 4:45PM GMT
Classification: Query
http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec?htx=board&r=rw&p=t...

Howdy Otis --

If you will go to the above link you will see a lot of documentable history posted about Cherokee in Northern Alabama.

I agree with you 100 percent. I too find my ancestors in N Alabama -- but we wound up in Arkansas and IT but are not enrolled.

When I researched Northern Alabama I had no idea there were Cherokee left there just like they were left in North Carolina, but for different reasons. Between about 1805 ands 1818 all the lands they were living on were ceded to the US government, and I read -- please correct me anyone -- if I am wrong. But I read Cherokee living in this ceded land had 4 options. 1. Remain where they were and forfeit their Cherokee Citizenship 2. Go to Arkansas after 1818 and receive lands, but forfeit their old lands in N Alabama. 3. After 1818 get a 640 acre plot of land, but also forfeit Cherokee citizenship or 4. Move to lands that were not yet ceded to the US government, but if they chose this option they would lose their old land without any compensation for it, and be "homeless" virtually in the Cherokee Nation East when they arrived in unceded lands.

I think researching history is important to genealogy researches, as you can not understand one without the other. Thank you for bringing up this topic.

Having brought it up, I must add there are groups out there that take advantage of people who are unenrolled and unenrollable, so be careful about associating with some of the groups that are out there. After researching history the last few years I believe the 2 groups you mention do have a case for legitimacy from historic documentation. This is my opinion -- but I must say I am liable to be wrong about just about anything! :)

Otis, I have an ancestor Amanda Brown (great grandma's sister) who was living with my great grandparents on 1880 census and listed as "sister" as "Mandy Knight". We don't know which "Kinght" she was apparently married to, but this family of Brown's went from Lawrence County, Alabama to Arkansas to Indian Territory (Oklahoma). So I would be interested in the Knights, that you mention.

vance

Re: Echota Cherokee and Cherokee Tribe of Northeast Alabama

Otis Fuller (View posts)
Posted: 29 Mar 2004 3:45AM GMT
Classification: Query
Hi Vance,
Thanks for your reply. I went to the sites you posted; very informative! I'm sorry you've had so much trouble! Re: Knight; I have a little info, which I hope will help. (1) Charlotte Dean, my 2GGM's much younger sister, married David Ellerson Knight in AL (Prob. Coosa or Chambers Co., abt 1859 or later). (2) Armajor White, b.1755,CN East, married Absilla Knight, b. abt 1755 also CNE. One child was Thomas Ridge White, b.abt 1787/90, CNE, AL. (Thomas married Missouri Buffington.) I guess there's a lot more I could say here, but I think I'll put it on a later posting, as it could get quite lengthy, and I should condense it first. Suffice it to say that I have found that a lot of Cherokee-White(not the surname) History goes back to Edgefield and 96 Dist., SC. Good luck,
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Re: Echota Cherokee and Cherokee Tribe of Northeast Alabama

Otis Fuller (View posts)
Posted: 29 Mar 2004 11:52AM GMT
Classification: Query
A slight correction and a little more info:
David b. 12 Aug 1833, Union, SC. DOM= 22 Dec 1853 in Chambers Co, AL
They had 14 Children, all b: Cragford, Clay, AL.
Briefly: Georgeana Missouri-1855, Emily-1856, Mahalia-1858, David-1860, Sabina-1862, Franklin-1863, Harriett-1865, Fanny-1867, Barcillus-1868, Edna-1870, Martha-1872, Elias-1873, Roxie-1875, Wyche-1877.
Hope this helps,
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Re: Echota Cherokee and Cherokee Tribe of Northeast Alabama

vance (View posts)
Posted: 29 Mar 2004 12:55PM GMT
Classification: Query
After I sent the link, and saw your reply, I wasn't sure if you got down to the "history" or not. If you did read down far enough, "never mind." :)

http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec?htx=message&r=rw&p...

The messages that actually start documenting history of undocumented Cherokee in N Alabama starts at the above link.

It documents -- through historical documents from several credible sources (as far as I know) and researchers -- several Cherokee towns between Fort Payne (Willstrown) and Muscle Shoals (Colbert's Ferry) and Creek and Chickasaw also lived in these areas. These settlements were definitely Chickamaugan and started about 1770s with the wars on the Cumberland. Yet there is no record of how these settlements ended. There are records, definite records from Jonathan Meigs writings and other documents, of Indian people, mostly Cherokee but Creek and Chickasaw also, living there at least for the first 2 decades of the 19th century.

After the lands were ceded you don't hear much about them, tho. If you or anyone knows of such documentation, please contact me. :)

vance

Re: Echota Cherokee and Cherokee Tribe of Northeast Alabama

Posted: 29 Mar 2004 5:15PM GMT
Classification: Query
Howdy Otis,

you said --

. . . I have found that a lot of Cherokee-White (not the surname) History goes back to Edgefield and 96 Dist., SC.
reply --

reply --

I would love to see documentation, the source of this information. Please provide book & author information. I might want a look at it through library loan. :)

thanks

vance

Re: Echota Cherokee and Cherokee Tribe of Northeast Alabama

Otis Fuller (View posts)
Posted: 30 Mar 2004 9:39AM GMT
Classification: Query
Vance, Yes, I did read everything that you had posted.- Very informative!
No, I hadn't known all that much about the History of the region, and am learning as I go along... Also, Re: Edgefield and 96, SC, my primary sources are: Edgefield Co.(Abstracts of) Deed Books, 1 - 12, by Ge Lee Corley Hendrix, Edgefield Co. Will Book "A"- J. Simpkins,and "History of Edgefield",(have copied pages, will get Author, etc, when I return to library in 2 wks.) Some of the very first settlers there were some of my ancestors; Abneys
and Deans. Individuals from these families married into Buffington, Bryant,
Dougherty, Dillard, Stevens, O'Neal, and Thomas families. Bryants married
Vanns, and Harlans and Greers; Buffingtons....I'm compiling a map, (for reference, and my own edification) showing where their land plots were.
Re: Coosa Co., AL; In 1836,Thomas Ridge White (White Path), Capt. John Thompson, (Cherokee), and John B. Blankenship led a party of 40 Cherokee and mixed-blood families into ceded Creek lands (Coosa Co.),
settling the town of Weogufka. Safe there, they escaped removal.
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Re: Echota Cherokee and Cherokee Tribe of Northeast Alabama

vance (View posts)
Posted: 2 Apr 2004 1:17AM GMT
Classification: Query
You mention the Dean family. I can trace my Brown's back to a John Brown who married Polly Black in Lawrence County, Alabama in 1820. I don't know who John or Polly's (Mary's) parents were. But in my searches there was another John Brown who apparently married Dolly Dean. Are these the same Dean's?

Mary lived several decades after John, as he was 15 or 20 years older than her. We know my great great grandpa David B. Brown was descended from them because Mary moved to Arkansas where David and his wife Hariet (Guess) Brown were living. A son living with her was Alfred Brown. My great grandparents Josephine Brown and Jeffrey Hoten Richey were married in the home of an "Alph" Brown. This same Alfred Brown married Nancy Joiner and had a daughter named "Nancy J Brown" who is 6 years old, on 1870 census Lawrence County, Arkansas. On 1880 census Nancy J Brown, age 16, is living in the household of Jeffrey and Josephine Richey and is listed as "cousin".

Do you have any info on any marriages between Brown's and Dean's? That's interesting. thanks for the info, I appreciate it.

vance

Re: Echota Cherokee and Cherokee Tribe of Northeast Alabama

Otis Fuller (View posts)
Posted: 2 Apr 2004 8:12AM GMT
Classification: Query
Vance, Still researching Deans, et al, but I do have an Abney/Brown marriage. It's way back in Edgefield, SC: Anna Abney, b:28 SEP 1778, the youngest sister of my 4GF, Jonathan Abney, md (1) William Buffington (2) John Brown. (Don't have dates as of yet). DEANS: I remember hearing/seeing the name; Dolly Dean, but can't remember where! Most of "my" Deans ended up in Coosa, Chambers, and Randolph Cos., AL.
I have this from Coosa: (Only room here for excerpts) The Talladega/Sylacauga, AL DAILY HOME newspaper, May 27, 1990, p. 9: LOCAL NEWS IN BRIEF/ Weogufka Reunion Will Be June 10 WEOGUFKA-Descendants of Richard F. White(Whitepath), the Coosa Co. Hist. Soc., and the Echota Cherokee Indian Tribe will sponsor the first_etc_etc_etc_
Weogufka was settled in 1836 by a migration of 40 Cherokee Indian and mixed white-Indian families. Led by Thomas Ridge from the mountains of_etc_etc_,they fled and changed their names to avoid the(newsprint says)"March of Tears" to Okla_etc__ __. (Actually, Rich. F. White was SON of Whitepath, who was Thos. Ridge White, according to many other sources). NOTE: this was not [Chief Whitepath], whom I believe, died on the way to OK(?)
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Re: Echota Cherokee and Cherokee Tribe of Northeast Alabama

Otis Fuller (View posts)
Posted: 4 Apr 2004 12:01AM GMT
Classification: Query
Vance,
I Replied to your email,but it was returned. (perm, failure) (?
I sent you lots of info.....
Anyway, this for now: http//aiac.state.al.us/ECHOTA_2.htm
( = website )
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