In 1850 Census of Marion County are George Washington Terrell- brother of Judge John Dabney Terrell, Sr.-and George's wife Permelia Mozley (dau. of James H. Mozley and Kesiah Turner). James is brother of David Edwin Mozley who married Elizabeth Oxford Terrell (Elizabeth is sister of John Dabney Terrell, Sr. and George Washington Terrell).
Both James and David Edwin Mozley are sons of Edward Mozley, Sr. and Mary McDaniels of Va. Can anyone tell me more about this Mozley family. Also, Elizabeth Oxford Mozley (dau. of David Edwin Mozley/Elizabeth Oxford Terrell) married a Lewis White and lived in Marion Co. Does anyone know which White family he was from and names of Elizabeth/Lewis White's children.
George Washington Terrell/Permelia Mozely's son William A. Terrell is shown with his wife Sermantha Glassock in 1850 census. Their son, Thomas W. Terrell (served with Al.26th CSA)was born in Shelby Co., Al. The Glasscock family is also mentioned in Fauquier Co., Va. with marriage of Margaret ORear(dau. of John ORear/Mary Peck) to John Glasscock in 1729. These families moved on south in pretty much the same areas. Can anyone connect Sermantha Glasscock's family to Frances "Frankie" ORear/Moses Loyd who were in Marion Co. by 1817 or Permelia Terrell OREar m. C.C. McKay in 1836 in Marion Co. or the Daniel ORear/Mahala Moore family who were in Marion/Lamar Counties by 1870? These ORears all descended from John ORear but I don't know if Sermantha is descended from Margaret/John Glasscock.
I would appreciate any information.
James H. Mozley 3rd wife Martha Trammel's son Daniel Seaborn Mosley
Read your query on the Marion Co. Alabama list. My husband is a descendant of James H. Mozley and 3rd wife Martha Trammel's son, Daniel Seaborn Mosley Just recently I found that Mona Herrin had posted on the Family Treemaker site the Mozley genealogy. The information seems to be well documented and very extensive. You may find the answers to your questions there. Should you have more information (particularly on the descendants of James H.) than is shown there I would like to get it from you. Good luck and hope to hear from you.
Samantha Terrell, wife of W. A. Terrell was the daughter of John(7) Milton Glasscock & Dicy (Disa) Martin. They are listed in the 1850 Marion Co, AL census on page 134A as Johnathan & Disa Glasscock family #99. Samantha's g-parents were John(6) M. Glasscock, Sr., of Moore Co, NC, and Mary 'Polly' Caddell of Craven Co, NC. Samantha's line starts with Thomas(1) Glasscocke arriving in VA circa 1643, Thomas(2), Col. George(3), Capt. William(4), Dr. George(5), who was a surgeon in the Revolutionary War, John(6) Melton (Milton), Sr., John(7) Milton, Jr.
Samantha's uncle James(7) Glasscock is family #96, her cousin Sarah A., dau of Uncle James(7), is married to Buchanan H. Terrell and is listed as family #97. Another cousin, son of Uncle James(7) is T. J.(8) and is family # 98. Another cousin James(8) H., son of Uncle James(7) is family #91.
John(4) Glascock who m. Margaret O'Rear is from Thomas(1), Gregory(2), Thomas(3). Only two sons survived Thomas(1), they were Thomas(2) & Gregory(2). Samantha is a second cousin four times removed from this John(4) Glascock.
If I can be of further help please let me know. Jack firstname.lastname@example.org
I think Permelia McKay was a Terrell, possible dau of George Washington Terrell
I still think that Permelia McKay was a Terrell, possibly the daughter of George Washington Terrell and Permelia Mozeley/Mozley. One reason I believe this it the fact that son William A. Terrell who married Samantha Glasscock was born in Tennessee, while sister Elizabeth was born 3 years prior in Georgia. I know that doesn't make it so, but I still remember my Grandmother Estill (Naomi McKay, granddaughter of C.C. and Permelia McKay) telling me that her grandmother McKay was a Terrell. Also in the 1880 Marion County Census C.C.'s occupation is listed as Clerk in Circuit Court. Of course the only way to prove this is to find out where in Tennessee G.W. Terrell lived prior to his move to Marion Co., Al. Also there are a lot of family names in the names of the children of C.C. and Permelia, the first being George S. McKay (after G.W. perhaps), Lidia could have been after C.C.'s mother, my great grandfather William Milas McKay was probably named after Permelia's brother William Terrell and Patsy McKay's husband Milas Rea, Martha was likely after C.C.'s stepmother.
Do you have any clue where in Tennessee that George W. Terrell and family lived before coming to Marion Co.? Let me know what you think.
Detective work to sort out Permelia McKay's parentage
Guess this is going to take a bit of detective work to sort out Permelia's parentage, but considering that I just found out the maiden name of David King Estill's wife Nancy after 24 years, what's another day and another search (lol).
I think that I have already told you that I am the granddaughter of Naomi McKay Estill, daughter of William Milas McKay (one of George S. McKay's younger brothers) and Mary Virginia Pyron. Grandmother had my Aunt Clemmie Estill Cantrell write down the family history for me probably in 1975 or 1976, and in the hand written history she said that her Grandmother Permelia McKay was a Terrell, she didn't tell me whether she knew Permelia's parents names. Grandmother would have been about 16 years old when Permelia died, Grandmother married Elias Estill 1 Nov. 1903 on her 18th birthday.
Would there be any old newspapers from around that time that might have had her Obit. in it?
Was Franklin Co., Tn. where G.W. and Permelia Terrell stopped between Georgia and Marion Co., Al.? Interesting, cause the Estill were in Franklin Co., Tn. too, before they came into Madison Co., Al. and then into Marion Co., Al.
Several of my Gunter ancestors married O'Rear's in Walker Co., Al. My Grandmother Blanche Fredendall was a Gunter, daughter of Thomas Montague and Mae Belle Morrison Gunter. Grandpa Tom was brother in law to Jeff Davis O'Rear, Martin O'Rear and Mollie (Mary Elizabeth) O'Rear. In fact Martin and Hatton Gunter O'Rear's daughter Jesse married Elton Webb, who was a first cousin to my Aunt Clemmie Estill Cantrell's husband Erie Elijah Cantrell.
I'm sure this might have been easier, but according to Aunt Clemmie, a lot of the family bibles were lost when the old home place burned many years ago.
I've seen the 1850 Census Images of Marion Co., Al. Too bad the 1890 Census was burned in that fire at the Commerce Dept. in D.C. From what I've read, it probably would have given us the information that we wanted about Permelia. Have you contacted Dr. Ed O'Rear's daughter? I think she had a lot of family history on the O'Rear's. I haven't contacted her in many years, but it might be a help too.
I hope that I can get back to Guin again in the not too distant future, to visit my relatives and do some genealogical snooping.
Well thanks for the reply, hopefully by putting our heads together we will finally solve this mystery.
I think C.C. McKay's family had connection to Terrell Family
I think C.C. McKay's family had a connection to the Terrell family. C.C.'s grandparents were Barnes Holloway and Sarah Meador(cousins). John Dabney Terrell, Jr. married Elizabeth Buggs Meador, a widow with a young son John T. Meador. I think there was likely a connection here. Beyond that, I haven't come across a link to C.C. and Permelia. If you find anything, I would welcome any information.
I descend from Permelia Mozley/George Washington Terrell through their son Wm. A. I may be wrong, but in the back of my mind is a thought from somewhere that Permelia Mozley/GW. Terrell did have a daughter named Permelia and she married a Simmons. I remember Dad mentioning that his mother was related to the Simmons and she did descended from Permelia/G.W. Terrell. Maybe I can get some time soon to see what I can find.
In the Marion Co. handwritten census of 1850 Permelia Orear is listed as wife of C.C. McKay. Orear is written in as part of her name. George Sterling McKay was her oldest child and was my greatgrandfather. The ORears who came to Marion and Walker Counties, AL, came the route of Fauquier Co., VA; Wake then Wilkes Counties, N.C.; old Wilkes(Terrell family here also) Co./Hancock Co., GA; Franklin Co., TN to AL. Interestingly, William Sterling ORear dealt in cotton futures and became a wealthy businessman in Franklin Co.,TN. His sister was Frances "Frankie" ORear m. Moses Loyd who moved from Franklin Co., TN, and were in the Winfield, Marion Co., AL area in 1817 while it was still part of the MS territory. Dad always said that Permelia's father was John ORear - who would have been nephew of Wm. Sterling ORear and also in Franklin Co.,TN. until moving to AL. I've thought that this is where the middle name for George Sterling McKay came from. John ORear didn't move to AL until after 1850 census but some of his children and two of his brothers came on to Walker Co. in 1830s. One of his older sons is credited with building the first courthouse in Walker County in 1830s. After his wife died, John ORear is said to have gone to Monroe Co., MS, where he died 2 years later in 1867. George Sterling McKay married the granddaughter of John's brother, Martin ORear.
John ORear m. Malinda Veal in Milledgeville, GA, in 1805. Malinda is thought to have been living with her father and stepmother in Putnam Co.,GA, prior to her marriage. This is where Barnes Holloway/Sarah Meadors, Norman McKay/Lydia Holloway, and Wm. McFadden/Catherine Holloway were prior to their move to AL and on to Marion Co.
It is likely these families had knowledge of each other prior to Marion Co., AL.
I am glad to have any information you can share.
Confusion over maiden name of Permelia
William Milas McKay was the son of Permelia O'Rear McKay and Christopher Columbus McKay. William Milas McKay was married to Mary Virginia Pyron, daughter of Jackson Pyron and Hanah Rea. My Grandmother Estill(Naomi McKay, sister to your Joseph Morris McKay) was married in 1903, two years after her Grandmother Permelia died.
My confusion is over the maiden name of Permelia, as Grandmother wrote to me almost 30 years ago and said that her Grandmother McKay's maiden name was Terrell. I guess I am a stubborn Scot, as I am trying to prove that she was correct (at least until I have proof that I am wrong).
Thanks for your response.
aka Edwina Estill Lawrence
(daughter of Garlon Clyde Estill)
Joseph Morris McKay is your grandmother's brother, Permelia O'Rear m. William Milas
Hi Wendy, my grandfather, Joseph Morris McKay is your grandmother's brother. Our grgrgrandmother was Permelia O'Rear. She and grgrgrandfather William Milas were married in Marion Co., AL in 1836.
Re: I think C.C. McKay's family had connection to Terrell Family
Wanda, if you have time, could you please contact me. I am trying to help a Mississippi Mosley connect her family back to ours-we know that her family had a connection to Marion Co. and possibly even to Walker Co. Her ancestor is James Madison Mozley who married Laura Cain. The census has James born in Ga with his father born in SC. There is family info as well as documented proof that they once spelled their name Mozley. I really need you to contact me if you possibly can. Mona
My grandfather was Milas Austin McKay
Hi Bill, your grgrgrandfather is my grgrandfather. My grandfather was Milas Austin McKay, my father John Norman McKay Sr. and my brother is Milas Auston Mckay. If you are still working this tree, I would like to know if you have any information about the parents of CC McKay. My brother thinks that the caln might be from a small town called Bettyhill in North Scotland. I am planing a trip there in late April (2002) and wanted to see if I could find our roots. Thanks for any input - John N McKay Jr.