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SUGGESTIONS FOR ENHANCING FTM 2012 WEB LINKS

SUGGESTIONS FOR ENHANCING FTM 2012 WEB LINKS

Posted: 4 Dec 2012 11:41AM GMT
Classification: Query
Following is a draft of a suggested enhancement dealing with Web Links

My intention is to send this to the Development Group in the next few days, but I thought maybe some additional ideas could be obtained by posting it here first

The draft I developed contains a JPEG embedded in a MS Word document ------- Apparently that is a no no. So I will try to send the JPEG separately as an attachment. Hopefully that will work


SUGGESTIONS FOR ENHANCING FTM 2012 WEB LINKS

The capability to create “Web Links for People” and “Web Links for Source Citations” was recently implemented in FTM 2012. This capability is a welcome addition to the system

I [and I am sure other users] are taking advantage of this new capability.

From my standpoint I am beginning to see where some enhancements to the existing capability would be useful/helpful

I have outlined some of these suggested enhancements below. If a particular suggested enhancement already exists in the system then please just disregard the suggestion. However, I have been unable to find any mechanisms in FTM 2012 that will achieve any of the suggestions. NOTE BENE: Recognizing that some users want things done “This Way” and other users want them done “That Way” it is important that the implementation of the suggestions be flexible, not ”hard wired”, and include as many options as can be devised

Suggestion 1

I have begun to add Web Links for People in my data base and so far I have added quite a few. My problem is I have not found a way in FTM 2012 to keep track of the Web Links for People I have added. So I developed a BASIC report in MS Word that allows me to know the Web Links for People I have created [I have over 63,000 people in my data base and find it necessary to keep track of the Web Links I have created – in fact when I first started this I added a few Web Links before I started keeping track of them and quickly realized I needed this mechanism]

Following is a shortened version of the Basic Report I devised to keep track of the Web Links for People.:


WEB LINKS FOR PEOPLE REPORT

ID 63646
Biography of Robert de Beaumont
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_de_Beaumont,_2nd_Earl_of...

ID 61536
Biography of William Fitz Robert
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Fitz_Robert,_2nd_Earl_o...

ID 62610
Biography of Richard de Clare
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_de_Clare,_3rd_Earl_of_H...

ID 64189
Biography of Gilbert de Clare
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gilbert_de_Clare,_4th_Earl_of_H...


Report Key:
Line 1: FTM 2012 Individual Reference Number of Person
Line 2: FTM 2012 Link Name
Line 3: Web Address

As can be seen the above report is quite rudimentary [and only includes Web Links for People and does not include *Web Links for Source Citations] and could be made more useful through the use of filters that now exist in the Custom Report of FTM 2012. And this is what I am recommending. That way, for example, a user could obtain a listing of all ancestors of person X for which Web Links have been created and/or they could obtain a listing of all ancestors that shows those with Web Links and shows those without Web Links. The FULL capability of the Custom Report filter should be taken advantage of in this suggestion.

*The Web Links for Source Citations as presently implemented appears to work satisfactorily when generating the Source Usage, Source Bibliography, Documented Facts, and Undocumented Facts Reports and no enhancements are suggested here. However, Web Links for Source Citations as presently implemented could be improved in other areas. For example, the report suggested above for Web Links for People should also be implemented for Web Links for Source Citations. And some of the suggestions dealing with reports and the Web Icon symbol discussed in suggestion 2 should be considered/implemented


Suggestion 2

As presently devised the Web Links for People Icon is somewhat “hidden” For example a user must be in the “People/Family Window” in order to see the Web Links for People Icon. This could be improved by also putting the Web Links for People Icon Symbol on the Pedigree View in the middle top panel of the People/Family Window, along side the “shaky” green leafs. Other ways to make the Icons more visible [and usable] is to include them [the Icon itself] on some of the charts/reports being generated by the system, e.g., the Family Group Sheet, the Family View Report, the Pedigree Chart, the Index of Individual Reports, some of the error reports, etc, etc.

Suggestion 3

The Web Link Information could also be helpful as a source of “Proof” of data/information presently shown on some of the charts/reports being generated by FTM 2012

An example of this is shown below.

The report is a small example of a Line of Descendancy Report. The top portion of the report consists of a Line of Descendancy Chart and the bottom portion of the report consists of a list of Biography “Web Links for People.” Note a Web Link [when available] is provided for each person shown on the Chart.

Clicking on a particular Web Link will take the user back to the Web Site where a Biography of that person can be found. Clicking one by one on each of the Web Links and reviewing the Biography will allow the user to ascertain the accuracy of the information shown in the Chart and most importantly will allow the user to “prove to themselves” whether the linkage between and among the people shown is correct. Note in this example though in three cases Web Links are not available there is sufficient information on the spouse’s biography to determine the accuracy of the missing spouses data and the linkage

In a sense the report is similar to the Line of Descendancy Report presently available in FTM 2012 with sources listed at the bottom of the report. However this suggested report is much more than that in that the user can quickly determine [prove] whether the data is accurate and/or the linkage is accurate.

This type of report is especially useful when used with Wikipedia Web Site Biographical data [which this example Line of Descendancy Report uses]. Wikipedia Biographical Data [when available] is very useful in Genealogy due to its high accuracy. It is continually being updated and new information is continually forthcoming. In this case/example all a user has to do is click on a Web Link where they will be immediately taken to the Biographical Data and they can easily determine whether they need to update their data base with any new information.

Hence, in general “proof” reports, of which the report shown below is just an example, would be a significant enhancement to FTM 2012 and it appears that they would be somewhat easy to develop and implement


Note: This space [from here to the end of this page] is purposely left blank in order to have the entire example shown on one [the next] page

Another Note:

Evidently the Family Tree Maker Forum feed back mechanism won’t accept a JPEG embedded within a MS Word Document

Hence, I will send the chart discussed below as a separate attachment. See Note below where it fits in






























The Chart fits in about here just above the “BIOGRAPHY WEB LINKS FOR PEOPLE”

BIOGRAPHY WEB LINKS FOR PEOPLE

ID 63646
Biography of Robert de Beaumont
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_de_Beaumont,_2nd_Earl_of...

ID 61542
Biography of Amica de Gael
Web Link Not Available

ID 61540
Biography of Hawise de Beaumont
Web Link Not Available

ID 61536
Biography of William Fitz Robert
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Fitz_Robert,_2nd_Earl_o...

ID 62614
Biography of Amice Fitz William
Web Link Not Available

ID 62610
Biography of Richard de Clare
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_de_Clare,_3rd_Earl_of_H...

ID 64189
Biography of Gilbert de Clare
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gilbert_de_Clare,_4th_Earl_of_H...


There are probably many more enhancements dealing with Web Links that could and should be developed.
It is suggested that the Development Group “brainstorm” other potentialities and it might be advantageous to make contact with the user community and solicit their ideas












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Re: SUGGESTIONS FOR ENHANCING FTM 2012 WEB LINKS

Posted: 4 Dec 2012 4:24PM GMT
Classification: Query
KATHYMARIEANN,
What happens to these links when a GEDCOM is made and then opened in a different FTM file and/or different program?

Any of these "New" toys need to checked out as to what happens using GEDCOM's!

Re: SUGGESTIONS FOR ENHANCING FTM 2012 WEB LINKS

Posted: 4 Dec 2012 6:45PM GMT
Classification: Query
David,

I did a GEDCOM test using FTM v21.0.0.723 and looked at the results in a text editor. The web links are not included, not when attached to people or citations. There are several places where it would make sense, to wit, under a custom tag or appended to notes. They're just not there.

Kathy,

I haven't really used web links except for testing, so I don't have anything to add to your suggestion. I do put links into source citations (into the detail field generally or via template fields), but I always create PDFs of any pages cited because I never know how long the links will be valid, and I don't want to depend on internet access to see source media. It's one of the reasons I don't anticipate using this feature much myself.

PS. *.doc and *.docx files are not supported on this forum. Would be nice if PDFs were though to facilitate sharing. Anyway, until these file types are allowed as attachments here, you can always share these file via free file sharing sites, your own website, etc.

PPS. (Aside) 捌 comes out in my UTF-8 export as 捌 when UTF-8 is supposed to be able to encode any character.

Re: SUGGESTIONS FOR ENHANCING FTM 2012 WEB LINKS

Posted: 4 Dec 2012 7:42PM GMT
Classification: Query
David Abernathy comment

“What happens to these links when a GEDCOM is made and then opened in a different FTM file and/or different program?”

David I don’t completely know the answer to this, but I will continue to check it out

Some thoughts

1 - I am personally more worried about broken Web Links and/or the place where the link company goes to goes out of business and the link no longer exists

2 – I don’t personally use GEDCOM’s except to port my data base to another system that doesn’t read FTM 2012. An example being GENViewer, which I sometimes use due to its analytical capabilities and when I do this I am not worried about Web Links

3- If they don’t implement this I will still keep a straight list of Web Links on MS Word and be able to use the list to get back to the Web Site.

4- A little closer to your question. This Web Link concept is not all that new to FTM 2012. Presently FTM has the capability to link “Images” in a users Image file to the actual Web Site where the Image actually resides. This Web Link process is technically almost exactly the same process, so if users are not worried about GEDCOM’s in the presently implemented Image File concepts why should they worry about them here in this Web Link process. The only real difference between what people now do and what I am suggesting is that I am suggesting some additional software be written.

Think about it this way. The so-called Media Usage Report is basically a list of “Images” where the image can [and probably does in a lot of user cases] reside on a website somewhere, e.g., Ancestry. Com and the Basic MS Word Report I have devised is technically just a list of “Images” I can call up from some Web Site – The example I gave was Wikipedia, but it just as well could be Ancestry.com. Simpler said, I can make the Media Usage Report list of Images look almost exactly the same as the MS Word list of Web Sites I created and in both cases they would be linked to external Web Sites

As I said at the beginning, I, however, will continue to examine your question

Re: SUGGESTIONS FOR ENHANCING FTM 2012 WEB LINKS

Posted: 4 Dec 2012 7:57PM GMT
Classification: Query
KathyMarieAnn wrote:
"I don’t completely know the answer to this, but I will continue to check it out"

No need to investigate further. I did it, and posted about it above. I guess I did have something to contribute to your suggestion after all. ;)

PS. The media usage report is aptly named when you have audio, video, documents (in many varieties), and image files.

Re: SUGGESTIONS FOR ENHANCING FTM 2012 WEB LINKS

Posted: 4 Dec 2012 9:56PM GMT
Classification: Query
While many years ago I started to collect weblinks for the information I was finding, it did not take long to realize it was a useless pursuit. Yes those links you collect may be valid for a couple of months or if you are lucky a couple of years.

But I have found that after over 10 years of research all of those links are changed or abandon. It is better to keep accurate records of where you found the information. When you need to review the online source it is easy to Google it IF it is still online.

Re: SUGGESTIONS FOR ENHANCING FTM 2012 WEB LINKS

Posted: 5 Dec 2012 12:25AM GMT
Classification: Query
@keithnuttle,

You are thinking correctly as far as website links. I would do one other thing before "keep accurate records of where you found the information."

I would take a screen print of the data/information you found and not only of the "fact" but of the source the website identified as the place they found the information.

I am presuming that anything you copy from the web is sourced, :-)

Re: SUGGESTIONS FOR ENHANCING FTM 2012 WEB LINKS

Posted: 5 Dec 2012 12:33AM GMT
Classification: Query
I suggest you consider PDFs instead of screenshots. PDFs will automatically record the URL, span multiple pages, recognize text (e.g., will allow you to copy and paste it), and can be annotated. It's less work, and they're more versatile.

Re: SUGGESTIONS FOR ENHANCING FTM 2012 WEB LINKS

Posted: 5 Dec 2012 1:19AM GMT
Classification: Query
I have used PDF's, screen shots, and several other techniques to capture date from the computer. I have even done it the "old fashion" way, capturing text in screen shots, running through an OCR, and putting the text in an FTM note.

The panorama function is great for creating files from newspapers and magazines.

I laugh when I hear people getting upset because someone has taken their pictures, with many messages in the thread about how to prevent it. I wish they would realize that if you can read/see it on the screen you can get a copy.

Newspaper are bad on thinking they can prevent people from getting copies of their newspaper. If you can see it, its yours (Of course with plenty credits, otherwise it is worthless)

Re: SUGGESTIONS FOR ENHANCING FTM 2012 WEB LINKS

Posted: 5 Dec 2012 3:40AM GMT
Classification: Query
Edited: 5 Dec 2012 3:40AM GMT
I use MS OneNotes 2010 for my research. I am able to make pages for each person (if I want to) and a folder for each surname and a BOOK for each major line or addin family.
http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/onenote/

Each copy and paste gets it's own link from the source, so one can go back and recheck things.

I this the FREE EverNotes provides the same uses.
http://evernote.com/
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