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Friedrich Wilhelm Gottschalck

Friedrich Wilhelm Gottschalck

Posted: 13 Jan 2013 9:28PM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Gottschalck, Leininger, Moller, Marin
With so many Friedrich Wilhelm Gottschalck's in the Denmark/Germany/Prussia locations in the 1700-1800's, I have finally hit a wall at finding ancestors for my Friedrich Wilhelm Gottschalck. This is what I have so far...and any help you can give me, or more info would be so appreciated.
Born about 1789 in Denmark (our best guess)
Married Berentine Marie Elisabeth Moller (born about 1789 in Denmark). Her parents were G.D. Moller and Anna Catharina Marin (?)..both were born before 1770.
Marriage on April 2, 1818 in Hillerod, Frederiksborg, Denmark.
They had two children: Frederick William Gottschalck, born July 14, 1843 and died Nov. 18, 1887 in Louisiana, USA.
Elizabeth Gottschalck born 1833, who later married Karl Steinman. They had four children: Carl B.,Heinrich, Henricus, and Agnes.

The second Frederick, who was born on July 14, 1843, mentioned above, married Anna Christine Leininger in New Orleans, Louisiana, USA, on Jan. 24, 1865. They are my great grandparents.
If anyone has any further info on my family tree or can take me back further than Friedrich Wilhelm Gottschalck, I would be so very thankful.
Blessings to all,
Judy Gottschalck Dutruch
Louisiana, USA

Re: Friedrich Wilhelm Gottschalck

Posted: 13 Jan 2013 11:44PM GMT
Classification: Query
Hi Judy

I think something is wrong.
Berentine Marie Elisabeth Moller,born about 1789 - she would be 54 year old
in 1843??

Frederik Wilhelm Gottschalck and Berentine Marie Elisabeth Moller married 1818
in Frederiksborg Parish.
Before the marriage they had a daughter Agnete born 1815 and she died 1817 in Frederiksborg.
They had a son Andreas Henrich Gottschalck born 4 november 1817 in Frederiksborg,
baptized 2 april 1818( same day as the parenrst were married)

They also had a son Frederik Wilhelm Gottschalck
born 14 february 1823 in Copenhagen
baptized 23 march 1823 in Helligånd Church.

If your Frederick William??? Gottschalck is born 14 july 1843,I think you have the wrong
parents or the date 14.july 1843 is wro ng.

http://www.geni.com/people/Frederich-Gottschalck/60000000038...

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Flemming Aasklint

Re: Friedrich Wilhelm Gottschalck

Posted: 14 Jan 2013 4:08PM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Gottschalck, Leininger, Moller, Marin
That is amazing news...it appears that I either have the wrong line of gottschalck's or perhaps the Frederick that married Berentine marie eliz. moller, is the grandfather instead of the father of the frederick who was born on July 14, 1843..my grandfather? Where we were supposing that his father, the one born in denmark around 1789, would have been his grandfather instead of father. Could that be the case?
The scenario being: the circa 1789 FWG being the first one, his son FWG born Feb 14, 1823, and then my grandfather FWG being born July 14, 1843. that makes all of the ages work out...
Do you have any knowledge of the children of the second FWG..the one born in Copenhagen 1823? he might be the exact person who was missing...and i surely hope so.
You are the greatest to help me out....I am in a small community far away from you...but it is so wonderful how computers can connect us to each other. thanks again! Judy Gottschalck Dutruch

Re: Friedrich Wilhelm Gottschalck

Posted: 16 Jan 2013 2:00AM GMT
Classification: Query
1880
1st Ward, St Tammany, Louisiana
Frederic Gottschalk 38 b abt 1842 PRUSSIA, parents b Prussia
Christina Gottschalk 37 b abt 1843 Louisiana, parents b Alsace
Frederic W. Gottschalk 13 b abt 1867 Louisiana
Annah Gottschalk 10
John Gottschalk 7
Bertha Gottschalk 4
Emma Gottschalk 1


Find a Grave
Frederick W Gottschalck 14 July 1843 - 18 Nov 1887
buried Bennett Cemetery, Covington, St. Tammany Parish, Louisiana
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GSsr=41...;

Re: Friedrich Wilhelm Gottschalck

Posted: 16 Jan 2013 4:51AM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: gottschalck
Thank you...got that far, but can't find his parents anywhere. We thought the FW Gottschalck of 1789 and wife Berentine marie Elis Moller 1789 were his parents but the would have been too old to have him in 1843, which is his birth year. there has to be someone in the 1820s or 30s to be his father. the 1789 couple had a son with the same name, but all i could find of him was that he had one daughter. thanks for your help...it was so kind of you. If you find anyone before our FW G, please let me know.

Re: Friedrich Wilhelm Gottschalck

Posted: 16 Jan 2013 4:59AM GMT
Classification: Query
It's always worthwhile posting the transcription of records you have/we find, to share them with volunteers in the forum. Posting the 1880 census puts the place of birth information in front of everyone's eyes - the census says he is born in Prussia. Is there a reason you think "your" FWG b 1843 is Danish?

Re: Friedrich Wilhelm Gottschalck

Posted: 16 Jan 2013 4:48PM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Gottschalck, Leininger,
You are correct....I have to change that. It was a leftover error from when we were all following the incorrect ancestor fro him. I think it was an immigration record that said denmark. I will attach files from now on. thanks for your great advice.

Re: Friedrich Wilhelm Gottschalck

Posted: 16 Jan 2013 5:55PM GMT
Classification: Query
Edited: 16 Jan 2013 5:57PM GMT
I was going to say we need to find that immigration record. You have it? YAY! What does it say?

This is such an interesting inquiry. There are other Gottschalk families in New Orleans and environs and one wonders how/if they are related. Then too it's interesting that this German man has married a woman of French ancestry - an early story of the great American melting pot. Apparently German immigrants had a tremendous influence on the history of New Orleans and Louisiana (according to the deep reading I did on Wikipedia for a couple minutes, LOL).

Re: Friedrich Wilhelm Gottschalck

Posted: 17 Jan 2013 11:31PM GMT
Classification: Query
Naturalization Record
Name: Frederick William Gottschalk
Birth Place: Prussia
Court District: Louisiana
Date of Action: 2 May 1860
Source Citation: National Archives and Records Administration (NARA); Washington, D.C.; Card index to naturalizations in Louisiana (P2087); Microfilm Serial: P2087; Microfilm Roll: 6

Naturalization Index
Name: Frederick Gottschalk
Birth Place: Prussia
Court District: Louisiana
Source Citation: National Archives and Records Administration (NARA); Washington, D.C.; Card index to naturalizations in Louisiana (P2087); Microfilm Serial: P2087; Microfilm Roll: 6.

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Re: Friedrich Wilhelm Gottschalck

Posted: 18 Jan 2013 12:16AM GMT
Classification: Query
Edited: 18 Jan 2013 12:17AM GMT
I believe the above naturalization record that I just posted is for a different Friedrich Gottschalck from the one in the 1880 census that I earlier posted.

BELOW I've posted some reference material relating to the two families so that the differences are apparent. THESE ARE NOT formal findings and should not be lifted into family trees. (for example, I have not verified all apparent connections - many similar names so one needs to be careful).

Here again is that 1880 census posted above; this family lives in Tammany. Frederick dies 1887. Oldest son shown in 1880 is Frederick born in Louisiana about 1867.

1880
1st Ward, St Tammany, Louisiana
Frederic Gottschalk 38 b abt 1842 PRUSSIA, parents b Prussia
Christina Gottschalk 37 b abt 1843 Louisiana, parents b Alsace
Frederic W. Gottschalk 13 b abt 1867 Louisiana
Annah Gottschalk 10
John Gottschalk 7
Bertha Gottschalk 4
Emma Gottschalk 1

Find a Grave
Frederick W Gottschalck 14 July 1843 - 18 Nov 1887
buried Bennett Cemetery, Covington, St. Tammany Parish, Louisiana
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GSsr=41...;



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A similar family

Tennstedt, Thüringen genealogy message board
Online post:
"Ernest Otto Mathes born in Tennstedt, Prussia 1849. Went to USA as a small child, possibly with mother Anna or Christina Trosh and stepfather, Frederick Gottschalk. Any information on him or his family including father, Wilhelm Bernard Christophe Mathes greatly appreciated."


1860 Census
New Orleans Ward 5, Orleans, Louisiana
F Gothchalko 36 born about 1826 in Germany
Elizabeth Gothchalko 36 born about 1824 in Germany
Wm Gothchalko 19 born about 1841 in New Orleans
Charles Gothchalko 12 born about 1848 in New Orleans
Ernest Gothchalko 6 born about 1854 in New Orleans <----
Julius Gothchalko 2 born about 1858 in New Orleans
Albert Gothchalko 3/12 [ = George]
Catherine Marise 18 (relationship not stated)


1870
New Orleans Ward 5, Orleans, Louisiana
Fred Gotschalk 43 born about 1827 Prussia
Elizabeth Gotschalk 47 born about 1823 Prussia
Charles Gotschalk 20 born about 1850 in Prussia
Ernest Gotschalk 18 born about 1852 in Prussia
Julius Gotschalk 12 born about 1858 in Louisiana
George Gotschalk 10


1876 Ernest marriage (same Ernest?)
Name: Ernest Otto Mathes
Gender: M (Male)
Spouse: Louisa Greschmer
Spouse Gender: F (Female)
Marriage Date: 20 May 1876


1880
New Orleans, Orleans, Louisiana
Fred Gottschalk 52 born about 1828 in Germany - watchman
Christina Gottschalk 56 born about 1824 in Germany
Charles Gottschalk 30, single, born about 1850 in Louisiana
Julius Gottschalk 22, born about 1858 in Louisiana, bookbinder
George Gottschalk 20 born about 1860 in Louisiana, laborer
Jane Gernsheim 26


1881 MARRIAGE for Julius
New Orleans, Louisiana, Marriage Index
Julius Gottschalck, age 24
Birth Date: abt 1857
Spouse: Louisa Hackle, age 16
Marriage Date: 18 Jun 1881


1885 George MARRIAGE
Name: George Gottschalck
Spouse: Juliette Ballatin
Marriage Date: 27 Jun 1885
Marriage Place: Orleans


1889 Julius DEATH
New Orleans, Louisiana Death Records
Name: Julius Gottschalck
Gender: M (Male)
Age: 31
Birth Year: abt 1858
Death Date: 25 Mar 1889


New Orleans, Louisiana, Death Index
Name: Christina Gottschalck
Gender: F (Female)
Age: 66
Birth Year: abt 1823
Death Date: 4 Mar 1889


New Orleans, Louisiana, City Directory
Name: Frederick W. Gottschalk
Location 2: 541 Customhouse
Occupation: watchman
Year: 1891 [same entry in 1890 city directory]
City: New Orleans
State:


New Orleans, Louisiana, Death Index
Name: Frederick W. Gottschalk
Age: 65
Birth Year: abt 1827
Death Date: 30 Jan 1892


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