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Trying to decipher a location and info on great grandparent

Trying to decipher a location and info on great grandparent

Posted: 26 Mar 2013 3:13AM GMT
Classification: Query
Edited: 26 Mar 2013 4:16AM GMT
Surnames: Lördal
Hi,
I'm trying to decipher a location off a handwritten note my grandmother left me that relates to her mothers' (my great grandmother) place of birth (the image also shows her name).

Her name is Hilda Marie Johanson Lördal. Dorn abt. 1876.
She had a sister named Ingeborg, and her mothers name could possibly have been Margurite (unsure of spelling).

I have reference of both her and her sister in England for the 1911 census, and clear immigration paths for both of them to Australia.

If anyone can help decipher the location and/or provide some assistance/information/know-how to help me track them down, it would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks in advance

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Re: Trying to decipher a location and info on great grandparent

Posted: 26 Mar 2013 5:13AM GMT
Classification: Query
Edited: 26 Mar 2013 10:38AM GMT
This is just a guess.....

in the parish of "Hof i Jarlsberg" in Vestfold, there are farms called both "Hoijord" and "Lørdal". In the neighboring parish of "Botne" in Vestfold, there is a community called "Sukke". Looks like Vestfold might be a good place to start a search.

Do you know when they left Norway?

The 1911 census for London says that Hilda and Ingeborg were from Jarlsberg. The present county of Vestfold was formed by merging Jarlsberg and Larvik. The old area of Jarlsberg is presently the eastern half of Vestfold. This appears to confirm my suspicion that the family originates is the eastern half of what is now Vestfold.

Re: Trying to decipher a location and info on great grandparent

Posted: 26 Mar 2013 1:40PM GMT
Classification: Query
Edited: 26 Mar 2013 1:42PM GMT
I believe it says "Sukke Hoijord", and could refer to the farm "Sukke" in Høijord sub-parish, Andebu parish, Vestfold.

Birth of Hilda ?

Posted: 26 Mar 2013 2:03PM GMT
Classification: Query
Edited: 26 Mar 2013 2:16PM GMT
I believe this could be the birth record for your Hilda Marie Johansen:

#59
Born 8 Aug 1875
Baptized 12 Sep 1875
Hilda Marie Sukke
Born out of wedlock
Father: Johan Olsen Kullerød, 29 yrs old
Mother: Anne Kirstine (Guttormsdatter ?)
Residence: the farm "Sukke" in Andebu

Kildeinformasjon: Vestfold fylke, Andebu, Ministerialbok nr. 6 (1871-1878), Fødte og døpte 1875, side 43.
Permanent sidelenke: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=5580&i...

I think Anne Kirstiner's last name could be "Guttormsdatter", because one of the sponsors is named Guttorm K. Sukke.

Hilda was born at the farm "Sukke", which is in Høijord sub-parish of Andebu, Vestfold. Hilda's parents were not married, this farm was the residence of Hilda's mother.

It would now be important to see if Hilda's parents did marry later. If Ingeborg had a different father, her last name may not have been "Johansen".

Speculation

Posted: 26 Mar 2013 2:25PM GMT
Classification: Query
Let's say I have the right birth record for Hilda. Then let's assume her parents did not marry. Anne Kirstine and Hilda must have left the parish and ended up at a farm named "Lørdal" somnewhere in Jarlsberg (Vestfold). The only Lørdal I have found is in "Hof i Jarlsberg" parish.

Here is the 1900 census for Lørdal:

http://digitalarkivet.no/cgi-win/webcens.exe?slag=visbase&am...

Looking back at the birth record for HJilda, her mother's name could very well have been "Anne Kirstine Gulliksdatter". If she decided to drop the first name "Anne", then "Kirstine Gulliksdatter Lørdal" could be the same person. The birth year fits.

She has a daugthter named Ingeborg Lørdal, born the correct year to be your Ingeborg. Ingeborg's father was named Mikal - not Johan, so Hilda and Ingeborg would be half-sisters.

Since Hilda was already 24 years old in 1900, she was probably working at a different farm and not listed with her mother.

Just speculating.....
Posted: 26 Mar 2013 2:32PM GMT
Classification: Query
Children in Norway were confirmed about the age of 15. The confirmation record for Hilda (in Hof parish) proves that my speculation is correct.

#7 (last entry on page)
Hilda Marie Lørdal
confirmed 8 Oct 1890 in Hof parish
Born 16 Aug 1875 (the birth record reads 8 Aug 1875)
Baptized 12 Sep 1875
Born in Andebu parish
Residing at Lørdal
Father: bachelor, Johan Olsenm Kullerød
Mother: maiden Anne Kirstine Gulliksdatter

Kildeinformasjon: Vestfold fylke, Hof i Hof, Klokkerbok nr. I 4 (1878-1930), Konfirmerte 1890, side 155.
Permanent sidelenke: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=3951&i...

Birth of Ingeborg

Posted: 26 Mar 2013 2:41PM GMT
Classification: Query
Edited: 26 Mar 2013 3:56PM GMT
#46
Born 3 May 1890 on the farm "Lørdal"
Baptized 9 Nov 1890 in Hof parish
Ingeborg
born out of wedlock
Father: Karl Joan Mikalsen, born 1857
Mother: Kirstine Gulliksdatter, born 1847

Kildeinformasjon: Vestfold fylke, Hof i Hof, Klokkerbok nr. I 4 (1878-1930), Fødte og døpte 1891, side 77.
Permanent sidelenke: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=3951&i...

Leaving Norway for England

Posted: 26 Mar 2013 3:24PM GMT
Classification: Query
#3 - right page
1908
to England
Hilda Marie Johansdatter Lørdal, born 1875
Born 16 Aug 1875
Baptized 12 Sep 1875
Confirmed 5 Oct 1890

Kildeinformasjon: Vestfold fylke, Hof i Hof, Ministerialbok nr. I 7 (1878-1940), Utflyttede 1907-1909, side 367.
Permanent sidelenke: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=22307&...

Confirmation - Ingeborg

Posted: 26 Mar 2013 3:44PM GMT
Classification: Query
#9
Confirmed 1 Oct 1905 in Hof church
Ingeborg Karlsdatter
Born 3 May 1890
Baptized 9 Nov 1890
Born and residing at Lørdal
Parents: Karl Johan Mikalsen and Kirstine Gulliksdatter Lørdal.

Kildeinformasjon: Vestfold fylke, Hof i Hof, Ministerialbok nr. I 7 (1878-1940), Konfirmerte 1905, side 205.
Permanent sidelenke: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=22307&...

Birth of Magnus

Posted: 26 Mar 2013 3:56PM GMT
Classification: Query
Edited: 26 Mar 2013 4:03PM GMT
#24
Born 26 May 1894 at Lørdal
Baptized 18 Nov 1894 in Hof
Magnus
born out of wedlock
mentally handicapped
Father: bachelor, Karl Johan Mikalsen, born 1851
Mother: maiden, Kirstine Gulliksdatter, born 1847

Kildeinformasjon: Vestfold fylke, Hof i Hof, Ministerialbok nr. I 7 (1878-1940), Fødte og døpte 1895, side 81.
Permanent sidelenke: http://www.arkivverket.no/URN:kb_read?idx_kildeid=22307&...

In the 1910 census, Magnus was living in Lardal parish with Jakob and Cecilie Hallerød. He was unable to make his own living and received welfare support. I can't find his mother in the 1910 census.
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