Another dead end this morning. My GGF was born in 1873 in Holland, NY. Fire destroyed all records prior to 1880. Clerk told me that NYS might have a copy. Just got off the phone with NYS Vital Records. No copies exist of any birth certs prior to 1881. I thought about trying to get John's parents' marriage license next. I don't know when or where they were married. I would think it was within a few years prior to 1873. I'll start in Holland, NY but if they lost all records prior to 1873 then they probably lost all marriage licenses too. Still can't find them on a census anywhere except a possibility in 1880 but the birthdate for John Edward doesn't match up. Any other ideas?