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CELIGOJ, Mary (Marija) b. in Trieste

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Re: CELIGOJ, Mary (Marija) b. in Trieste

Posted: 28 Apr 2013 8:21PM GMT
Classification: Query
Leslie

Contrary to popular belief names were NOT changed "when entering the US" Ship manifests were created at the Port of Departure, with info taken from immigrants passports which were obtained in their home country.

This is not to say that errors were not made, as they were. Also modern day transcribers mis-read info on ship manifests and other old documents.

If you notice the 1930 census states they came from Italy, as post WW I some of the western part of Slovenia was under the rule of Italy

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Slovenia

The 1930 census lists his immigration year as 1913 and hers as 1920

Name: Rosalio Bevcic
Arrival Date: 26 Jul 1920
Birth Date: abt 1900
Birth Location: Slovakia
Birth Location Other: senumo
Age: 20
Gender: Male
Ethnicity/ Nationality: Slovakian
Port of Departure: Le Havre
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Ship Name: Lafayette

The above is an example of errors, first the person who created the manifest at the port of departure mistakenly typed "M" in the Gender column and then corrected it by handwriting "F" over it. Then the modern day transcriber did not see the correction and listed her as a male.

Also the person at the port listed her as Slovak, which was a common error. Even today Slovak and Slovene are mistaken on some records.

She lists her next of kin at Semano Istria as her father Johann

Her destination is Thomas, WVA to her brother Jose BEVCIC

Also WVA records show her name as BEVCIC not BEVIC

The Slovenian spelling is BEVČIČ which sounds like bevchich.

And this would appear to be you GGrandfather

n Name: Johann
Surname: Grilj
Last Place of Residence: Lpod Zemen, Austria
Event Date: 07 Oct 1913
Age: 17y
Nationality: Austria, Slovenian
Departure Port: Antwerp
Arrival Port: New York
Gender: Male
Marital Status: S
Citizenship Status:
Ship Name: Vaderland

Lj has a sound like the ll in the word million.

Perhaps the Slovenian phone book online would be of help to you where there are 22 BEVČIČ listed, but none in Dolnji (which means lower) Zemon but some are nearby

http://www.itis.si/iskanje

The phone book is in Slovenian but if you have the Google page translator you can translate to English, otherwise in the box under kdo-kaj type in the surname the click on Nadji, this will take you to another page where you will select Osebe, this will give you a list of names and contact info.

There are 89 listings for GRILJ in the phone book Take a look in Ilirska Bistrica which is a place near Dolnji Zemon

Ilirska Bistrica is the administrative center for several villages inc. Dolnji Zemon

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ilirska_Bistrica

http://www.ilirska-bistrica.si/turizem/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dolnji_Zemon

Hopefully this will help you in your search. In any case Slovenia is a beautiful country and I hope you enjoy visiting there as much as we have when we included Slovenia in some of our Croatian Heritage tours

Just an aside many Croatians, especially from the Zumberak area which borders Slovenian went to Thomas WVA in the early 1900s, some of those eventually came to Cleveland.

Robert Jerin
Croatian Heritage Museum
Cleveland Ohio
SubjectAuthorDate Posted
bboz1 31 Jan 1999 12:00PM GMT 
ccelligoi 20 Jan 2002 7:33PM GMT 
vojkoc 2 Feb 2002 9:38PM GMT 
ccelligoi 9 Feb 2002 12:34AM GMT 
ccelligoi 10 Feb 2002 3:26PM GMT 
Lesliewhite81... 26 Mar 2013 3:15AM GMT 
Mohnbauer 26 Mar 2013 12:02PM GMT 
Lesliewhite81... 28 Mar 2013 1:45AM GMT 
Mohnbauer 28 Mar 2013 9:19AM GMT 
Robert Jerin 29 Apr 2013 2:21AM GMT 
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