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William Kennedy and Catherine Walthew, Tipperary Ireland

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Re: William Kennedy and Catherine Walthew, Tipperary Ireland

Posted: 14 Jan 2012 7:33PM GMT
Classification: Query
sorry still asleep before, a late night.

Intersting about the Morrissy, and was my thinking that there was more than meets the eye. There is a dispute some time in the future betwwen Edward, and Thomas Morrissey about hte race horse Soldier Boy. There may be some confusement about the birth of Ellen. I have just had a look, and it appears there needs to be a purchase of a death certificate. But looks like 2 families.

Ellen has a Cornelious, who marries an Ellen.

Will as you say copy and paste this for now, as it is too dangerous to start looking at that. When I first pieced the Kilmore lot together, I deceided to go back to Ireland to get a better idea of the base families, the end game will be a better idea of these famlies and there expansion into the colonies.

I have a saying.

"to many bloody Kennedys"

Noted here so if anyone rights a book, its my vote for the title.

touching base on yesterdays finding;

Descendants of *Hugh KENNEDY
Generation 1
1. *Hugh KENNEDY-1[1, 2, 3, 4, 5] was born in 1814 in Knocknamoheragh, Tipperary, Ireland[1, 2, 3, 4]. He was
baptized on 19 Jun 1814 in Newport Church, Knocknamoheragh, Tipperary, Ireland (Sponsors John
Kennedy & Mary Kennedy)[1, 3, 4]. He lived in St Johns Parish, Limerick in 1841 (Residence as listed on
the marriage certificate of Hugh Kennedy)[6]. He lived in Cummergar, Parish of Kilcommon. in 1841
(From the Baptisim record of Mary, the Last Kennedy of our Clan to be born in Tipperary.)[1]. He lived
in Ballycoshown,Tipperery,Ireland in 1843 (The birht place named on Andrew Kennedys baptisim.)[7].
He lived in Dark Island, Limerick, Ireland in 1845. He lived in Australia on 03 Jul 1858 (Free Pardon,
Granted, as reported in The Cornwall Chronicle (Launceston, Tas. : 1835 - 1880))[1, 3, 4, 8]. He lived in
Launceston, Tasmania, Australia in 1866 (was still in Launceston when Andrew Kennedy married
Catherine Sullivan)[9]. He arrived in Victoria, Australia in 1875 (in 1889 from Hughs death certificate,
had been in Vic 14 years.)[1, 3, 4]. He died on 22 Sep 1889 in Holey Plains, Sale, Victoria, Australia
(Buried in Sale Cemetery)[1]. He owned As listed in the gippsland Tiems bereavments, His funeral
procesion was to start at his property and pass through Longford at 12 in 1897 in "Coolongoola",
Holey Plain, Rosedale, Victoria, Australia.
Jane FOX daughter of James FOX and JANE[1, 10] was born in 1823 in Limerick, Ireland[1, 10]. She lived
in Rosedale, , Victoria, Australia in 1903 (Old Age Pensioner). She lived in Rosedale, , Victoria,
Australia in 1909 (Old Age Pensioner)[1]. She died on 04 Jan 1914 in Queen Street Rosedale,
Victoria, Australia[10, 11]. She arrived inp (Settle in Port Sorrell with Hugh)[1].
*Hugh KENNEDY and Jane FOX were married in 1841 in St Johns Prish, Limerick, Ireland[12]. They
had the following children:
i. Mary KENNEDY was born in 1841 in Cummergar, Tipperary, Ireland (Baptisim record from
the Kilcommon parish Church.). She was baptized on 05 Oct 1841 in Kilcommon,
Tipperary, Ireland[13].
ii. Andrew Kennedy[14, 15, 16] was born in 1843 in Ballycoshown,Tipperery,Ireland[1, 15]. He was
baptized on 31 Dec 1843 in Doon, County Limerick, Ireland[17]. He arrived in Tasmania,
Australia on 18 Jul 1858 (From Gravesend onboard 'Constance' CB7/12/1/8 p254
CB7/2/1/1)[15]. He married Catherine SULLIVAN on 26 May 1866 in St Joesephs Church,
Launceston, Tasmania, Australia (Witnessed John Meek of Meer, Ellen Turney or Turner).
He lived in Dutsun, Sale South, Victoria, Australia in 1903 (1903 Electoral Role, shows
Andrew as Dutsun)[18]. He lived in Longford, Victoria, Australia in 1909 (Grazier)[19]. He
lived in Dutson, Gippsland, Victoria, Australia in 1913[15]. He lived in Longford, Sale South,
Vic, Australia in 1914 (Grazier). He lived in Longford, Victoria, Australia in 1919 (1921
Electoral Role sows Andrew as Longford.). He died on 08 Oct 1922 in Longford, Vic,
Australia[1, 15].
iii. Jeremiah KENNEDY[20, 21, 22, 23, 24] was born in 1845 in Dark Island, Limerick, Ireland
(Residence as described on Baptisim certificate)[20, 21, 22, 23, 24]. He was baptized on 15 Dec
1845 in Doon, County Limerick, Ireland[25]. He arrived in Holey Plains, Sale, Victoria,
Australia about 1873 (Left Port Sorrell area. May be moved onto Dandenong?)[20, 21, 22, 23, 24].
He married Mary Anne BOURKE on 17 Apr 1873 in Stratford, Victoria, Australia (Register
No 56)[26]. He owned 33 acres Bow Worung, about 1 1/2 miles noorth East of Stephensons.
on 26 Aug 1885 in Stratford Land Board, Before Messers Watson and Duncan. He lived in
Coongulmerang, Gippsland, Victoria, Australia in 1903[23]. He lived in Lindenow, Gippsland,
Victoria, Australia in 1914[20]. He lived in Sale, Victoria, Australia in 1919[20, 21, 22, 23, 24]. He
lived in Lindenow, Gippsland, Victoria, Australia in 1924[20]. He died on 06 Jun 1929 in
Sunbury, Victoria, Australia[20, 21, 22, 23, 24].
iv. Hugh KENNEDY was born before 1841 in Gortnaskhey, Tipperary, Ireland. He died on
Unknown in Deceased. Unable to find record. this information has come from family lore.
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Descendants of *Hugh KENNEDY
Generation 1 (con't)
v. James KENNEDY[10, 27, 28, 29, 30] was born on 14 Apr 1860 in Port Sorrell, River Forth,
Tasmania, Australia[10, 30]. He arrived in Holey Plains, Sale, Victoria, Australia about
1873[30]. He married Margaret BREEN on 05 Feb 1880 in St Mary's Sale (Register number
5)[30, 31]. He lived in Longford, Victoria, Australia in 1891 (Cert #: 3783)[30]. He lived in
Rosedale, Gippsland, Victoria, Australia in 1903[30]. He lived in Rosedale, Gippsland,
Victoria, Australia in 1909[30]. He lived in Dandenong, Flinders, Victoria, Australia in
1924[30]. He lived in Berwick, Flinders, Victoria, Australia in 1931[30]. He lived in Berwick,
Flinders, Victoria, Australia in 1936 (Farm labourer)[30]. He died on 24 Aug 1939 in
McFarlane Rd, Lyndhurst, Victoria, Australia

Still of interest. The Carey Family, and how they all fit in.

The Fox Family, and who they are.

note these new indexes;

Church Marriage Record
Date of Marriage: 28-Feb-1841
Parish / District: ST. JOHN'S County: Co. Limerick
Husband Wife
Name: Hugh Kennedy Jane Fox
Address: St. Johns Parish
Denomination: Church Of Ireland Church Of Ireland
Occupation: ST.JOHNS PARISH
Age:
Status:
Husband's Father Wife's Father
Name: Kennedy Fox
Address:
Denomination:
Occupation:
Husband's Mother Wife's Mother
Name:
Address:
Denomination:
Occupation:
Witness 1 Witness 2
Name:
Notes:


previous note re Ally Fox as informant;

Ally Fox Date of Baptism/Birth: 06-Jun-1810
Address: Old Chapel Lane Parish/District: ARDEE
Gender: Unknown County Co. Louth
Denomination: Roman Catholic
Father: Alex Fox Mother: Ann Murphy
Occupation:
Sponsor 1 /
Informant 1: John McGee Sponsor 2 /
Informant 2: Ann Fay
Notes:
/ /

Possible Jane Fox Baptism?;

Jane Fox Date of Baptism/Birth: 08-Jan-1821
Address: Glassdoole Parish/District: KINGSTOWN
Gender: Female County Co. Dublin
Denomination: Roman Catholic
Father: James Fox Mother: Anty
Occupation:
Sponsor 1 /
Informant 1: William Oaks Sponsor 2 /
Informant 2: Mary Oaks
Notes:

This is just confusing:

Michael Fox Date of Baptism/Birth: 16-Oct-1839
Address: Princes Street Parish/District: FERMOY
Gender: Male County Co. Cork
Denomination: Roman Catholic
Father: Thomas Fox Mother: Ally Moore
Occupation:
Sponsor 1 /
Informant 1: Michael Fox Sponsor 2 /
Informant 2: Mary Egan
Notes:
E PRIEST: REV DOCTOR BARRY PP

So stepping back a bit here is what I have on Andrew Kennedy and Mary N Carey, parents of Hugh;


Andrew KENNEDY-1[1, 2, 3, 4] was born in 1780 in Knocknamoheragh, Kilnarath, Tipperary, Ireland[1, 2,
4]. He owned Sells his Property to Thomas Kennedy, and a Lees. goes on living at the property until
1855, when he moves into one of the outbuildings with his wife.Where he dies.. in 1845 in keeper,
Tipperary, Ireland.
Mary N CAREY daughter of Edward Carey and Catherine Gore[1, 2, 5, 6] was born about 1785 in Ashroe
near Banquay, Ireland[1, 2, 6]. She died before 1868 in on Bun Ciamalta, Tipperary, Ireland (Keeper)[1, 2,
5, 6].
Andrew KENNEDY and Mary N CAREY were married in Tipperary, Ireland[1, 2]. They had the following
children:
i. *Andrew KENNEDY[1, 2, 7] was born in 1801 in Knocknamerough, Tipperary, Ireland[1, 2, 7].
He was baptized on 25 Mar 1801 in Newport, Tipperary, Ireland (Sponsors Jeremy
Kennedy & Catharina Casey)[1, 2, 7, 8]. He married Margaret Corbett in 1829 in Kilcommon,
Tipperary, Ireland. He died on 07 Mar 1868 in Knocknamoheragh, Tipperary, Ireland[9].
ii. *Michael Kennedy[1, 2, 10] was born in 1803 in Knocknamoheragh, Tipperary, Ireland[1, 2, 10].
He was baptized on 03 Jan 1803 in Newport, Tipperary, Ireland (Sponsors Roger Kennedy
& Maria Kilmartin)[10].
iii. *Margaret Kennedy[1, 2, 11] was born in 1812 in Knocknamoheragh, Tipperary, Ireland[1, 2, 11].
She was baptized in 1813[1, 2]. She died about 1832 in Toorenbrien[1, 2, 11].
iv. Timothy KENNEDY[12] was born in 1814 in Knocknamoheragh,Tipperary, Ireland[12].
v. *Hugh KENNEDY[1, 2, 13, 14, 15] was born in 1814 in Knocknamoheragh, Tipperary, Ireland[1, 2,
13, 14]. He was baptized on 19 Jun 1814 in Newport Church, Knocknamoheragh, Tipperary,
Ireland (Sponsors John Kennedy & Mary Kennedy)[1, 2, 13]. He lived in St Johns Parish,
Limerick in 1841 (Residence as listed on the marriage certificate of Hugh Kennedy)[16]. He
married Jane FOX in 1841 in St Johns Prish, Limerick, Ireland[17]. He lived in Cummergar,
Parish of Kilcommon. in 1841 (From the Baptisim record of Mary, the Last Kennedy of our
Clan to be born in Tipperary.)[13]. He lived in Ballycoshown,Tipperery,Ireland in 1843 (The
birht place named on Andrew Kennedys baptisim.)[18]. He lived in Dark Island, Limerick,
Ireland in 1845. He lived in Australia on 03 Jul 1858 (Free Pardon, Granted, as reported in
The Cornwall Chronicle (Launceston, Tas. : 1835 - 1880))[1, 2, 13, 19]. He lived in Launceston,
Tasmania, Australia in 1866 (was still in Launceston when Andrew Kennedy married
Catherine Sullivan)[20]. He arrived in Victoria, Australia in 1875 (in 1889 from Hughs death
certificate, had been in Vic 14 years.)[1, 2, 13]. He died on 22 Sep 1889 in Holey Plains, Sale,
Victoria, Australia (Buried in Sale Cemetery)[13]. He owned As listed in the gippsland Tiems
bereavments, His funeral procesion was to start at his property and pass through Longford
at 12 in 1897 in "Coolongoola", Holey Plain, Rosedale, Victoria, Australia.
vi. *Catherine 'Kitty' Kennedy[1, 2, 4] was born about 1816 in Ireland[1, 2, 4]. She was baptized
on 12 May 1816 in Newport, Tipperary, Ireland (Sponsors Rev Thos Morrissy)[1, 2, 4, 21]. She
married John Keogh on 17 Oct 1834 in Newport Tipperary, Ireland (Witnesses Denis
Sullivan and Mary Morrisy E OSaugnasey Priest. Noted as 6 x Catherine Kennedy).
vii. *Jeremiah Kennedy[1, 2] was born in 1819 in Knocknamoheragh, Tipperary, Ireland
(Described on baptism record as Morough.)[1, 2]. He was baptized on 01 Jul 1819 in
Newport,Tipperary, Ireland (Sponsors John Kennedy & Mary Molony)[1, 2].
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Descendants of Andrew KENNEDY
Generation 1 (con't)
viii. Mary KENNEDY[22, 23] was born in 1821 in Morough, Tipperary, Ireland.. She was baptized
on 06 Jan 1822 in Newport, Tipperary Ireland[24].

So the extended family as described in the book, From Bun Ciamalta, and other research describing this andrews parents ong Andrew, and MArgaret Cormick;


Long Andrew Kennedy-1[1, 2, 3, 4, 5] was born about 1736 in Limerick/Tipperary[1, 2, 3, 4, 5]. He lived in
Toorataggart, Ireland in 1756 (Inherited from James Berkery around 1756 and held town lands at
Knocknamohergh & Killeen, County Tipperary.)[3]. He lived in Toor, Ireland in 1802 (Held property at
Toor, Keeper, Gleann, where he employed Cliffords as dairymen and herdsmen, and Killeen.)[1, 3, 5].
Margaret Cormick daughter of Michael? Cormick and Margaret?[1, 2] was born about 1741 in Ireland[1,
2].
Long Andrew Kennedy and Margaret Cormick married. They had the following children:
i. Unknown Kennedy[2] was born about 1779 in Knocknamoheragh[2].
ii. Andrew KENNEDY[1, 2, 6, 7] was born in 1780 in Knocknamoheragh, Kilnarath, Tipperary,
Ireland[1, 6, 7]. He owned Sells his Property to Thomas Kennedy, and a Lees. goes on living
at the property until 1855, when he moves into one of the outbuildings with his wife.Where
he dies.. in 1845 in keeper, Tipperary, Ireland. He married Mary N CAREY in Tipperary,
Ireland[1, 6].
iii. John KENNEDY[2, 8] was born about 1790 in Knocknamoheragh?[2, 8].
iv. William Kennedy[2, 3, 4] was born about 1792 in Knocknamoheragh[2, 3, 4]. He lived in
Keeper, (Bun Ciamalta), Tipperary, Ireland about 1802 (William got Bun Ciamalta, Which
was later divided between his 3 children. William Denis and a sister Mary, who married
Matt Fogarty.)[3].
v. Philip Kennedy[2, 9] was born about 1794 in Knocknamoheragh[2, 9]. He lived in Garavane,
Limerick, Ireland[10].
vi. Ellen Kennedy[2, 5] was born about 1797 in Tipperary[2, 5]. She married Charles Ryan
between 1837-1841 in Knockfune?[5].
Sources

Note there is a mention in the book, of the writings of Archbishop Butlers visits to the region, regarding Berkery, and his Wife Mary Kennedy. I note that with a subscription the catholic church has a rendition of theses works, which is available online, need to get this work and reveiw it to try to dicern who mary Kennedy was, and why Long Andrew ended up with her land upon the death of her Husband?

"We in the Archdiaces of Cashel and Emily are very fortunate of haveing the handwriten reports of Archbishop Butlers visit to the different parishes of his dioceese in 1758.
They were published in recent years. In the account of his visit to the parish of Kiloscully-Newport (the one RC Parish since 1752). FR William Kennedy PP gave a lot of space for the Will of James Birhagra, (Berkery)of Tooratagart, whos wife was Mary Kennedy. Witnesses to the will were. David Brazil, Denis Ryan and Denis KEnnedy.

Note previous correspondence regarding naming pattern and the variation that has first born sons alternating bewtween William and Denis, rather than the fathers name?

So will now try to uncover a little more about this phillip, and these misterious children.

Patrick Lawerence and Eliza. These names are more associated with other Clans. Touhy is mentioned along the way. Hmm


Regarding Phillip Kennedy, possible convict (Hughs Uncle, not Brother as previously stated).

Catherine Kenedy Date of Baptism/Birth: 14-Jan-1815
Address: Not Recorded Parish/District: NEWPORT
Gender: Female County Co. Tipperary
Denomination: Roman Catholic
Father: Philip Kenedy Mother: Margaret Tuohy
Occupation:
Sponsor 1 /
Informant 1: Js White Sponsor 2 /
Informant 2: Gillon Contlon
Notes:
[PRIEST NR] E * CATH E ** PHIL E *** MGT

This could be him, the notes would suggest that E (phillip) would have a grandmother Margaret? this is possible

When Jane Fox/Kennedy travels to Australia she has three other children. Patrick B 1840. Lawerence Born B 1842, and Eliza B 1844. These children must have been born in Tipperary, todays focus .

Anyway thanks again for your continued interest, a strange platform, but maybee these posts will provoke like minded contributions.

Regards,

PAul Barrett
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