Rebellion of 1837 - Family History & Genealogy Message Board

Re: Alexanda Wardle Court Martial details

BrianWapshott87 — 2013-03-15 02:33:24Z

Rod
Thank you kindly for your response. Like you, Alexander is also a descendant of mine. To date my research in Canada and UK has not thrown any light on the transcript of the Court Martial. I was able to gather your copy of the transportation authorisation record,will keep you in touch should I resolve the details of the Trial. I suspect that your comment of "desertion" may well be correct, however evidence to date has indicated that even during 1810, the offence would have been a capital crime.

Regards
Brian

Re: Alexanda Wardle Court Martial details

TarynGroom77 — 2013-03-15 01:43:23Z

Hi Brian, This is Rod Groom, Taryn's father, I am a direct descendant of Alexander Waddle, Alexander was a soldier private in the 100th Regiment of Foot serving in British North America (Canada) It is likely that he enlisted in the Regiment in Dublin, Ireland. I have found Tasmanian Gov. Archives listing him as coming from Ireland. We have attached to our tree a document authorising Waddle's transportation to N.S.W. following his court martial at Fort George. This document was signed by General Sir James Henry Craig K B, Governor of British North America at that time. We have not found the reason for his trial and transportation, but expert opinion suggests desertion. During wartime he would likely have been executed.

Alexanda Wardle Court Martial details

BrianWapshott87 — 2013-01-13 06:05:37Z

I am seeking details of Alexander Wardle's Court Martial at Fort George Upper Canada. He was convicted on the 28th August 1810. He was given a life conviction an sent to Australia from England aboard the "Minstrel" during 1812. Eventually he recieved an unconditional pardon at Hobart Tasmania.
Any assistance would bevery grateful.

Re: Objet : Re: Objet : I need assistance re;Upper Canada/Aussie convivt

pcarlson4025 — 2011-08-15 17:36:40Z

Thanks so much for your help. I will post again once I've investigated the things that you've given me.

Re: Objet : Re: Objet : I need assistance re;Upper Canada/Aussie convivt

gpetrin169 — 2011-08-15 12:15:56Z

There is actually a web site dedicated to the descendant of Henri Leclair, you might be familiar with it already. They have an English site.

http://associationfamillesleclerc.ca/en/VanClerc_Leclair_en....

Van Clerc dit Leclair

This ancestor was originally from Alsace, Germany. He arrived before 1800, the year of his marriage, and settled in the parish of Saint-François-Régis (Saint-Philippe de Laprairie). On October 13, 1800, at this parish, Louis-Henri, age of 37 years, and the son of Chester Leclaire and Elizabeth Vestreseize of Germany, wed Marie-Josephe Perras, 37 years of age and the daughter of Etienne and Marie-Josphe Demers from Saint-Constant. He was said to be a labourer in Saint-Philippe.

We know their six children married. A daughter, Catherine, was named Vincler, and another Eleonore, named Wincler at their marriage. At least one of their grandsons, Nazaire, was named Van-Clerc at his marriage. This family, even though they started much later, became a real puzzle, genealogically speaking. In "Nos origins Allemande" he was called Henri Leclerc.

This family is very numerous in the gardens of Quebec, the black soils of Saint-Michel, Saint-Constant, Sherrington, Saint-Edouard, etc. If you meet a descendant of this family, they will tell you that the different spelling, Leclair or Leclerc, for them, is two different sources and is of great importance, even though they are all descendants of Louis-Henri.

Catherine Vincler, daughter of this ancestor, married on October 24, 1831 at the parish of Saint-Philippe de Laprairie, Pierre-Rémi Narbonne, 28 years of age, and a painter/decorator and a bailiff from St-Edouard de Napierville. He was a hero in the Patriots Rebellion of 1837-1838. On February 15, 1839, in the company of Chevalier de Lorimier, Charles Hinde, Amable Daunais and François Nicolas they climbed the steps of the scaffold. About this event, it is written: "The spectacle of this assassination was vile. He had only one arm, and when the trap door opened, he held the deadly rope with his one good hand. A mercenary struck him savagely with his rifle butt on the face and arm. Bleeding heavily and his face swollen, Narbonne released his hold on the rope. Then, he took hold of the rope again with the wounded hand. Several mercenaries attacked him again with incredible savagery. This manoeuvre was repeated two or three times.... " Catherine has died during his imprisonment, leaving two orphans.

Re: Objet : Re: Objet : I need assistance re;Upper Canada/Aussie convivt

gpetrin169 — 2011-08-15 12:09:26Z

There is no lack of good books about the 1837 Rebellion in Quebec. Only a few Patriots were hanged and they are pretty famous. There is a public building in St-Remi named after your ancestor and I am pretty sure the Historical Society for the area has tons of material on him.
Your public library should help you get that.

According to his bio, Pierre Remi Narbonne had 3 children and his wife [Catherine Leclair] died when he was arrested. She was extremely ill already.

Pierre Narbonne and Catherine Leclair were married Oct 24 1831 in St.Phillipe. Interestingly enough, his parents are NOT named on the marriage record.

He had a brother named Louis Narbonne who was a sculptor from St-Remi.

As far as I could see, Remi Narbonne and Catherine Leclair had two children who got married.

Eugene who married Adelaide Lefebvre in 1861 and
Delima Narbonne who married Camille Pinsonnault in 1856

Both marriages took place in St-Constant.

Delima died before 1861, when Camille Pinsonnault remarried. I don't know if they have children, but you can search for them.

The memorial to Pierre Remi Narbonne only states 2 children, so possibly the third child died. I did not find a marriage for another child.

Parish registers for Quebec are online at familysearch.org.

You should be able to get the burial record for Catherine Leclair Narbonne and probably the baptism of their children.
Her father was Henri Leclair of St.Edouard, so you might want to check the St.Edouard parish register.
Have fun.

Re: Objet : Re: Objet : I need assistance re;Upper Canada/Aussie convivt

pcarlson4025 — 2011-08-15 02:53:48Z

Hello to gpetrin169--my name is Dick Carlson, and I'm writing to see if you would be willing to share any information you may have about the Rebellion of 1837. My great-great-great-grandfather was Pierre Remi Narbonne, who as you probably know was one of the Patriotes who was hanged by the British in 1839. I'm interested in his part in the rebellions. I have a rough translation of a section on him from a book by L. O. David. I also have found on the internet a transcript of his trial, in English. I'm also aware that his name is on a monument in the Cote de Neiges Cemetery in Montreal, and that there is a (very short) street in Montreal named after him. I don't want to put you to a lot of trouble, but is there any more low-hanging fruit to be picked from this part of my family tree? I'm also interested in what happened to his children (I'm descended from his son Eugene). I believe there were one or two other children, and I wouldn't mind finding out if I have any distant cousins. Many thanks, and I hope your researches are going well.

Re: Patriotes Rebellion (Les Patriotes de 1837)

pcarlson4025 — 2011-08-15 02:14:42Z

Hello--My name is Dick Carlson, and I'm a descendant of a man named Pierre Remi Narbonne, who was one of the Patriotes who was hanged by the British as a result of the Rebellion. If you Google his name, you may have some luck. At one point I actually found a transcript of his trial (in English, thanks to the no-good Brits who hanged him). Good luck!

Re: Patriotes Rebellion (Les Patriotes de 1837)

TheRabideaus — 2011-01-13 22:33:07Z

I have not found very much to help with the names beyond the list of convicted and imprisoned.

Re: I need assistance re;Upper Canada 1837 rebellion

gpetrin169 — 2011-01-13 20:34:03Z

I would need a bit more information such as names and dates and where was this Bedard supposed to have been, Lower or Upper Canada?

Re: Patriotes Rebellion (Les Patriotes de 1837)

montg0mery — 2011-01-13 18:43:53Z

Hi Mark, I would also like to know the answer to this. You would think, after all these years, a list of names would be available. I looked at the site you listed, but it is all in french (not my first language) and it would not translate for me. The name I am looking for is BEDARD, Alexander whos father Simon was involved in the War of 1812 and lived for a time in Papineau County, Quebec. They were granted land in Ontario for their services in the War of 1812, but one son, Alexander, disappears around 1837, has a son born in US in 1838 and returns to Ontario some years later with the son (no wife named, no place in US for me to look) and marries and has a family here. I am seeking the reason why he went to the US, where he lived and who was the mother of his son, Simon Peter.
Judi
Ontario

Re: I need assistance re;Upper Canada 1837 rebellion

montg0mery — 2011-01-13 18:17:31Z

Can I ask: do you have any BEDARD listed on your rebel list. He was never caught (as far as I know) but escaped to the US for a while, before returning to his family in Ontario.
Any assistance you can give to solve a family mystery would be appreciated.
Judi
Ontario

Re: Rebellion of 1837 participants.

AlanRichards20 — 2010-12-19 17:44:38Z

Sandra Sterns: I have a good friend named Hugh Davis whose ancestor was a brother of Robert Davis. Have you been in touch with him? I know he's interested in genealogy. Pls let me know via e-mail at alanr@rogers.com.

Thanks

possible ancestor that participated...

ranks58 — 2010-11-23 05:42:53Z

hello everyone,
i've been doing some research into my families history and i have some questions. I believe that my great-great-great-grandfather was a participant in the Rebellion of 1837, but I'm not entirely sure

His name was Joseph Rankin and here's why I believe he was involved.

I found a marriage "agreement" (not sure what they're called) in the Quebec Marriages records on the site to my ggg-grandmother (born in Montreal, married in 1852) and in this register it says that he was a Sergeant in "Her Majesty's XX Foot Soldiers" (I believe this to be the 20th Foot Soldiers.) A bit of research indicated that this regiment was sent to Quebec, and that some 200 members stayed behind...i believe him to be one of those members. Also, I found a census that indicates his profession as "Staff Sergeant, N York Militia"

I was wondering how I would go about finding any other information on him and his military service...I'm rather interested, but have hit a wall so to speak

thanks in advance for your help

Sam

Re: Looking for help re; Upper Canada rebellion

jonsey55 — 2010-09-11 05:03:11Z

Thank you again Guylaine - any help is most welcome. I have another descendant of John Cross, looking for him also ( Tom Cross ) - so am sending along all this information to him too, he will be ecstatic - so thank you so much.

Eileen.

Re: Looking for help re; Upper Canada rebellion

gpetrin169 — 2010-09-11 02:23:32Z

I am glad I could be of help. I will try to scan the jail register for you. There are many other deserters who were jailed at same time. They were probably enroute to Quebec, and from there to Australia. For most of the soldiers, the regiment is listed, but not for John Cross.

Guylaine

Re: Looking for help re; Upper Canada rebellion

jonsey55 — 2010-09-10 21:14:46Z

Hello there - thank you, thank you, for that information, I had given up trying to find out anything, as I was getting nowhere - now I will continue on, and contact the Archives to see if they have any records of my John Cross, and if he was actually court martialled at Fort Malden.

Much appreciated for all your help. Thank you again.

Eileen

Re: Looking for help re; Upper Canada rebellion

gpetrin169 — 2010-09-10 19:26:18Z

Hi Jonsey,

I came across your ancestor John Cross in the Don Jail in Toronto fom August 6 138 to Sept 13, 1838. It stated he was jailed for Desertion under the authority of Co. Mausell (not sure how to read could be Maxwell or Maitland. On the September he was sent to Quebec City for transportation. With him were also Timothy Henlry and John Baker. On the next page, were another bunch of soldiers from the 34th Regiment of Foot. But it looks like Col. Maunsel was with the 85th Regiment of Foot.

By the way, if you suspect or know that your ancestor was court martialled in Fort Malden, Amherstburg in Ontario, you should contact them. I am told they have an archivist there who does research on soldiers who came to Fort Malden during war of 1812 and Rebellion of 1837. There is a good chance this person could help you locate records of John Cross. The Archives in Fort Malden would probably have records of the court martialled. I am told they are very good and friendly.

http://www.pc.gc.ca/lhn-nhs/on/malden/index.aspx
You can send an email or phone.

http://www.pc.gc.ca/lhn-nhs/on/malden/contact.aspx

here is some information about the 85th from rootsweb

The third 85th (Bucks Volunteers) was formed in 1793 and was posted to Jamaica from 1803-08. It was dispatched to America from the South of France in 1813. It was present at the battle of Bladensburg and capture of Washington, and in the attempt on New Orleans, where it suffered heavily. It returned from America in 1814. The regiment served in Canada from 1835 to 1842, during which time it was one of the regiments dispatched on horse-sleighs from New Brunswick to Quebec during the Canadian Rebellion of 1838-9; and afterwards served in the West Indies from 1842 to 1845. June 1838, three companies of 85th Regiment arrived in Upper Canada, remaining companies arrive in December.

Good luck

Re: Java troop transport ship

Janineoliver1 — 2010-07-15 12:46:32Z

Thank you very much for this information. I will ask our state library if it is available in Aust and track it down if possible.
Janine

Re: Java troop transport ship

gpetrin169 — 2010-07-15 12:37:21Z

There is an excellent book available in many libraries:

In search of the "forlorn hope" : a comprehensive guide to locating British regiments and their records (1640-WWI) / by John M. Kitzmiller, II.

It is in 2 vols. It lists regiments by location and dates. It might help you narrow down which regiments were in New Brunswick in 1840.

After the Rebellion of 1837, many British regiments were in various parts of Canada and many of them left around 1842. If you know the various places where you ancestors were born, it would give you a good idea which regiment your ancestor would have belonged to.

Good luck

Re: Looking for help re; Upper Canada rebellion

jonsey55 — 2010-07-15 04:48:13Z

Thank you so much for your help, sorry I haven't replied sooner, but haven't been a member for a few months.

regards Eileen Jones

Re: Patriotes Rebellion (Les Patriotes de 1837)

TheRabideaus — 2010-06-16 23:57:04Z

Does anyone know of additional sources where 'rebellious patriot' family members might be sought out?

...mark

Patriotes Rebellion (Les Patriotes de 1837)

TheRabideaus — 2010-06-16 23:55:08Z

I have found the following site which allows searching for names in this Rebellion: http://cgi2.cvm.qc.ca/glaporte/index.shtml

Perhaps folks will find this helpful.

...mark (http://many-roads.com)

Java troop transport ship

Janineoliver1 — 2010-05-28 04:36:15Z

I am trying to find out more about this ship and her movements in 1842. My relative was born on the ship on this voyage which leads me to believe his father was in the military. His siter was born in New Brunswick in 1840 so obviously the whole family were in Canada. Would like to find out more of the history of what was happening in Canada at this time and what regiments were involved.

Re: Looking for help re; Upper Canada rebellion

jonsey55 — 2010-05-17 01:04:10Z

Hello there

Oh well, he is still a 'mystery' - I do appreciate that you did a search for me, and I thank you very much, for trying.

I will try the other that you suggested, see how I go.

All the best - kind regards - Eileen.

Re: Looking for help re; Upper Canada rebellion

gpetrin169 — 2010-05-16 21:22:42Z

Hi Eileen,

I had a chance to look at the British Military and Naval Forces in Canada index at the library today. Saw lots of Cross, but not your ancestor John Cross. I also searched the Upper Canada Sundries for 1838 without luck (but I only got a few months done. I did not see any desertions files in them.

Your best bet will probably be the WO files at TNA in London. Finding the listing from the convict ship first might be helpful.

Sorry.

Re: Looking for help re; Upper Canada rebellion

jonsey55 — 2010-05-12 04:33:45Z

Hello there -
thank you so much for replying. It would be wonderful, if you came up with some details for me - I am waiting with much anticipation !! Of course I know you might not find anything, but appreciate you trying.
best regards - Eileen Jones

Re: I need assistance re;Upper Canada/Aussie convivt

gpetrin169 — 2010-05-11 12:13:11Z

From Wikipedia article on 34th Regiment of Foot

The political tensions in Britain and North America of the 1830s appeared in Canada as a series rebellions and border raids from 1837-39. The 34th(Cumberland)Regiment were a part of the 11,000 British regulars sent to put down the rebellions in Lower and Upper Canada. Posted to Fort Malden in Amherstburg, Ontario, Canada during the Upper Canada Rebellion of 1837 they engaged Rebel forces at Peelee Island, Fighting Island and the Battle of Windsor and protected against American 'Hunter Lodges' raiding across the border.

At Fort Malden, a National Historic Site of Canada, there exists today in the smallest of three barracks buildings a full barracks display of that period. During the summertime, local students are hired and instructed representing members of the 34th on the proper drill and deportment in wearing the 1837 British Uniform and perform musket firing demonstrations.

Re: Looking for help re; Upper Canada rebellion

gpetrin169 — 2010-05-11 12:11:33Z

Hi Eileen,

I will see if I can find him in the Military files from Canada. That usually gives their regiment.

It might take a while, they are on microfilms at the Public Library. Often, it is not the trial itself, that I find, but the record for payment of reward for capture of deserters.

2 of the regiments who seem to have lots of deserters were the 32nd and 34th.

Re: Objet : I need assistance re;Upper Canada/Aussie convivt

gpetrin169 — 2010-05-09 15:29:48Z

HI Alison

Amherstberg and Malden are very close to each other. Walkin distance

Amherstberg in on the frontier to the US, very close to present day Detroit, US, but closer toLake Erie.

There was a fort there at the time to guard the border. I believe there were skirmishes with US Patriots doing incursions on Canadian (British at that time) soil.

some of the US patriots hunters were sentenced to deportation as well. Much as been written about them since they were US citizens caught on British soil. Not so much about British deserters. I found quite a few in various regiments, but very few were deported.

I have someone who has done research for me in London for Paylist of regiment and he charged me 5 pounds per year searched, which I thought was pretty good. I got a pretty good idea what my soldiers was doing and his movements.

If I get a chance, I will get a copy of the clothes requisition. I can probably scan it but it will have to wait for a trip to Ontario Archives.

If he was court martialled in MOntreal, he would have stayed in Quebec, waiting for Atlantic ship. He must have left that fall 1838 to arrive in Australia in Spring 1839.

Re: Objet : I need assistance re;Upper Canada/Aussie convivt

allystree — 2010-05-09 11:08:06Z

Hello,

It seems this would have been Henry on his way out of the country? (I had to look at a map to get my bearings!)

Every little tidbit is exciting, but to think he must have been cold in the Canadian Autumn (Fall?), although I did read that the 34th crossed Canada during 1838/39 winter in open sleighs with threadbear uniforms.

My London research was a short hourly commission, with requests to find his regiment and next-of-kin. I did get 1 page of the paybook relating to the desertion, but my researcher did not go through Henrys previous 6 years of service to find the other offence.

Can you tell me if Amherstberg and Malden are close to each other?

Thankyou for your time and effort.
Alison

Looking for help re; Upper Canada rebellion

jonsey55 — 2010-05-09 04:12:25Z

Would anybody be able to help me find my ancestor John Cross. He was in the British Army, serving in Upper Canada during the rebellion - he apparently deserted his post for 4 hours, and for this he was Court Martialled,and sentenced to 14 years, he was one of 260 other Convicts transported on the Layton, 09 July 1839, and sent to Van Diemen's Land.
I have his convict records - which tell me he was 22 years old, and his native place was Northamptonshire.
How do I find out about his trial records? Finding this might help me trace his actual family ( which I have had no luck with )
Also would be wonderful to find out which regiment he was in, if he was a foot soldier etc.
Any assistance will be greatly appreciated.
With thanks - Eileen Jones

Re: Objet : I need assistance re;Upper Canada/Aussie convivt

gpetrin169 — 2010-05-05 23:26:44Z

Hi Ally,

I found your ancestor Henry Rose of the 34th Regiment (attached to 11th Regiment). ON October 11,1839 he was confined in jail in Quebec, and there was a requisition for clothing for him. signed by A Knight Town Major.

On October 22, 1839 there was another requitition for cloting signed by George L. Goldie.

He is described as Military prisoner, does not mention desertion.

While finding him, I also found a Joseph Rose, private of the 32nd Regiment who was also a deserter byt in 1841. There was a reward posted for his capture, but I did not see anything about whether he was caught or not.

Re: Pied-Au-Courant records?

achalut — 2010-04-10 20:01:01Z

http://pages.infinit.net/nh1837/pricon/lcomplet/frprcolc.htm

Objet : Re: Objet : I need assistance re;Upper Canada/Aussie convivt

gpetrin169 — 2010-03-13 03:30:15Z

Hi,
Amherstburg was on the Niagara frontier. Many American Patriot Hunters crossed the border to fight in Upper Canada, which is why there were British Military troops including the 34th in Amherstburg. The trip from Amherstburg to Montreal would have been by boat on Lake Ontario, stopping in Kingston possibly. The trip would have been quite fast depending on the boat. A few days at most.

From Montreal, by boat to Quebec. From Quebec to England, from England to Australia. As I said, many prisoners were sent that route.

Next time I looked at military indexes at the library, I will see if I can find anything in Canadian Archives about Henry Rose.

When you hired a British researcher, did you get the paylist from WO12 for the 34th? It might tell you why he got the earlier 6 weeks. His pay would have been docked and there might be a note.

I am doing a lot of research right now on the 1837 Rebellion, and it is easier to find ancestor on the Rebel side, than on the Army side.

Re: Objet : I need assistance re;Upper Canada/Aussie convivt

allystree — 2010-03-12 22:34:55Z

I have looked again at my copies of the original records that I now have regarding the CM.
They are book lists with about 25 entries, of which each entry takes up 1 line, and written in handwriting 170 years ago are a bit difficult to read. I found them through a researcher at the National Archives London.
The Discharge book states the 'Place where became Non-effective' as Amherstberg, and also that he 'Proceeded to Montreal for Transportation on 7 Sept 1839'
The Court Martial book states he was CM at MALDEN on 14 July 1839.
I am wrong about him deserting in May- I was looking on the wrong lines(entries).
Henry deserted on 25 June and was recaptured on 26 June. He was CM for Desertion, and 'losing his kit necessities', sentenced to Transportation for Life and marked with a D.
The sentence seems harsh as there are other soldiers on his same page, deserters also losing their neccessities, who are sentenced to 1 year or 7 years.
Henrys Australian Convict indent states he had a previous conviction of 6 weeks and this is possibly why he recieved the stiffer sentence.
Can you tell me how long it might have took to reach Montreal from where he was held in the guard room at Malden or Amherstburg?
And thanks for taking the time to reply to me,
Alison

Re: Objet : I need assistance re;Upper Canada/Aussie convivt

gpetrin169 — 2010-03-11 13:10:51Z

Glad you found your ancestor. It looks like in 1839, the 34th was in Montreal, Lower Canada. That might be why I did not find him in Upper Canada court martial.

The 34th was in Upper Canada during 1838 in Amherstburg.

Re: Objet : I need assistance re;Upper Canada/Aussie convivt

allystree — 2010-03-11 00:04:14Z

I have since found that Henry Rose was a private in the British Army, 34th Regiment.
It seems he deserted his regiment about the 11th May 1839, and was recaptured. Although he was hospitalised throughout June, he is stated as still being a deserter until June 26.
Henry married in Australia in 1850 after becoming free.

Objet : I need assistance re;Upper Canada/Aussie convivt

gpetrin169 — 2010-03-09 18:37:25Z

There were a series of court martial after the Rebellion. I will have to check whether his name appears in them.

The prisoners were first shipped to England from Quebec, and then from England to Australia.

Your ancestor might have been a soldier or in the militia (every man between 18 and 40)

Some men refused to join the Militia and were arrested. But very few were actually court-martialled.

I will check my sources and see what I can find. When did your ancestor get married in Australia or before?

William Jenkinson

jimbez — 2010-02-27 00:50:48Z

Looking for any info re: William Jenkinson. A brief bio suggests he was imprisoned in Canada for six months prior to emmigrating to Kalamazoo. MI in 1838. I'm assuming he was a participant in the rebellion.

Re: Jeremiah LUNDY m. Rebecca Crossley

paddy67_1 — 2009-04-13 19:50:00Z

hi,my name is pat,
I am the direct descendent of Jeremiah and Rebecca,my grandmother was Sarah Lundy and John Cain of Sandford Ont,and Mount Albert ont,
I have all info from there to Bucks county,p.a.also Lundys Lane, i would like 2 exchange info on Lundys in england before 1676,
I have info about Hicksite cemetery south of eagle st,newmarket ont can,where Jeremiah's mother and father are buried,

paddy.67@live.com

Re: Objet : Jeremiah LUNDY m. Rebecca Crossley

grestuna — 2008-08-12 15:56:12Z

hi brenda
contact me directly at
r_gristonATdccnet.com
change the AT to @. i'm trying to avoid spam

you've just tapped into a bunch of cousins and some ancestry..:-)
roz

Objet : Jeremiah LUNDY m. Rebecca Crossley

Brenda_Menard — 2008-08-12 05:46:06Z

Hello....My name is Brenda Menard and i am a descendent of Jeremiah Lundy and Rebecca Crossly.....their 4th gr grand daughter. I have no information as to their parents, but i descend from their daughter, Sarah, who married Henry Schell and i have the decendency on down from them. I am a Metis, as one of their decendants married into the aborignal clans of Sask., and it is from there i come from.

I hope to hear from you as i would like to no more regarding the Lundy ancestry and if you were able t locate info on Rebecca Crossley.

Thank you
Brenda Menad

I need assistance re;Upper Canada/Aussie convivt

allystree — 2008-08-05 11:55:49Z

My ancestor Henry Rose was involved in the Upper Canada Rebellion (or not, as his crime implies!)
Henry was sent to Australia aboard the 'Maitland', departed Sheerness and arrived Australia July 1840
He was born in Huntingdonshire (UK?) and was a 'labourer and soldier'.
He was tried at an Upper Canada Court Martial on 14th Aug 1839 and was sentenced to life for Desertion.
This is the only information I have on Henry (apart from marriage, children and death). I have obtained this from the NSW Convict Indents.
From this information I think Henry was probably in the British Military.
Can anyone advise me where, how I might find further details, particularly of his trial. Was it the norm for a prisoner to be sent from Canada back to Britian and then onto Australia?
Any assistance greatly appreciated,
thanks, Alison

Re: Picture of Uniform - What War?

ronaldjohndale — 2008-01-01 18:23:35Z

The soldier carries an Snider-Enfield Rifle, introduced in the British army in 1866 and reaching the Canadian militia a decade later. I agree with the 1880's as a date but the cap plate and uniform look more like the 56th Lisgar Rifles. The uniform also appears to be green with red facings.

Where did your gg grandfather live? What was his name?

Ron Dale

Re: SHIPS online - names of deported men Canada to Australia 1839

stupat — 2007-12-15 19:28:02Z

I have a forthcoming article on James Gemmell (sp?) and I'm very interested in learning more from you about your antecedent. Please contact me directly at: stupat@worldnet.att.net and see my website: www.1837rebellion.att.net.

Re: SHIPS online - names of deported men Canada to Australia 1839

lovealili16 — 2007-12-15 10:02:54Z

Hello,
I'm a direct descendent of James Gammel of Scotland who was arrested during the 1837 Rebellion. I believe you have his last named listed as "Gemmell". I am wondering how much information you have on him and where you were able to find it all? THANKS!!

Re: Rebellion of 1837 participants.

stonejay — 2007-06-30 13:24:57Z

Wondered if by chance you have any detail information on Hiram Wheeler BARLOW a participant in the Battle of the Windmill. He is my gg-grandfather. I have not been able to establish his place of birth or parentage.

I do know he married the daughter of James CUMMINS whom also participated in the battle and was released due to insanity.

Is there a way to get a copy of the court proceeding specific to these two mens trail?

Re: Picture of Uniform - What War?

Ken_Sch — 2007-01-24 20:57:08Z

I'm not exactly an expert on this, but this picture was probably taken in the 1880s. If the Wikipedia article is correct, 2nd Company of the 43rd Ottawa and Carleton Battalion was transferred to Hull in 1884 and remained there until 1896. It would appear that no other official militia regiment existed in the town until 1914 with the organization of the 70th Regiment.

Ken
http://ca.geocities.com/scheffkg.rm/gen.html

Re: William Lyon MacKenzie

ernst189 — 2006-10-11 14:48:41Z

Did you know that 70% of the population of Ontario in 1820 had German roots. These farmers all around York, making up almost all the population of Markham and Vaughn, did not support violent action of any kind. When a large group of rebels came to Vaughn to stirr up trouble they were met at the Lutheran Church by 400 men and a few women armed with clubs. MacKenzie himself noted in his journal, August 23, 1837, that these farmers were prepared to teach the rebels 'and such how to keep the peace'. He further notes that the rebels 'sneaked off without beat of drum'.

The point here is that the huge majority of farmers with German roots did not settle in Canada to start another revolution like the one they had left in the United States. They were hardworking and lawabiding and wanted everyone else to act in like manner.