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Re: Service number

JeffH01 — 2013-05-12 01:34:44Z

It would have helped to have his name but you should find his record online at http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/records/our-online-record...

WWI medals roll for RN are not on Ancestry but in document series ADM 171 at the National Archives, the roll is divided alphabetically by surname groups and each section is available to download free of charge - search discovery on above site for ADM 171

Service number

andy4659908 — 2013-05-06 15:22:00Z

Hi, Quite a newbie to the family tree research but finding it very interesting and addictive so far.
Trying to find a Great Grand father, who was in the Navy 1912-1921 when he died at aged 37.'due to illness'. I have his Service Number but it doesn't seem to be recognised in any searches. Does the category 'Military include all the Armed Forces?. I would have thought a Service number was unique to the person?

Re: Service number

timtracker — 2013-05-05 20:02:28Z

You might like to see the attached website explaining how navy numbers evolved. The correct term by 1912 is 'Official number', but I doubt that is really material here.

As with anything associated with genealogy, it is not as simple as you might hope.

Ancestry has both navy and army records in it.

The site below says the navy used 6 digit numbers from 1894, adding a letter prefix in 1908. So, presumably your number should be a letter followed by 6 numbers.

The army tended to use 4 or 5 digit regimental numbers which could be repeated many times across different regiments. In 1917 the Territorials introduced a 6 digit number, without the letter prefix used by the navy.

So, it depends if you have the prefix letter or not. If you do not have a prefix letter, there could be the same number used in the Territorials.

However, the record that comes up SHOULD clearly show if the person shown is navy or army. Once the record is looked at, it should not be in doubt. I am not sure if navy records were included in the losses caused by the blitz.

I suggest trying the search in variable ways, ie, adding or subtracting the various prefixes.

You might be able to determine his role by reference to the website.

http://www.godfreydykes.info/ROYAL%20NAVY%20OFFICIAL%20NUMBE...

Photograph regiment identiy EDWARDS

Davies_Tracy — 2013-04-19 13:12:26Z

Please can anyone identify the regeiment/ This is a photograph of Ellis William Edwards (or Roberts) and we think there was another photogrpah of him in uniform with a horse at one time.

Re: Photograph regiment idenity

rksimpson1 — 2013-04-18 20:30:13Z

Hi
RAMC = Royal Army Medical Corps, Africa would certainly be a place to go wearing shorts.

regards

Robert

Re: Photograph regiment idenity

Davies_Tracy — 2013-04-18 12:46:50Z

Thanks, apologies for ignorance, what does RAMC mean please? I think the one on the right enlisted into Mons and then went to Africa as a Lance Corporal. Does that give any further indication please?

Re: Photograph regiment idenity

rksimpson1 — 2013-04-18 10:19:35Z

HI Tracy

Both look like privates, no stripes on either.
The left one is RAMC, maybe in Balkans or India as wearing shorts.
The right one has some sort of badge on upper arm but no idea what it is.
regards

Robert

Photograph regiment idenity

Davies_Tracy — 2013-04-17 21:39:47Z

Hi
I have a few photographs of ancestors but uanble to find anything on ancestry search. I will post the pics here, please can anyone identify the regiment and rank of this people. This will hopefully give me a lead.

Re: Post Nominals - I.M.D / S.T.C.? - Richard Berley Lowe BROWN

ghostlovescorex — 2013-02-27 13:08:56Z

Hello again, was Richard awarded any medals for his service? I have had a quick look on the Imperial war Museum website although found nothing. Could you send through the documents of Joseph Brown? I have not found record of his parents so my family tree begins (or ends?) at him for that line. My grandmother has no memory of her father Richard so any information is new to us, I look forward to hearing from you again.

milroy sailors &officers 1939 to 2000 australia navy

henreeko70 — 2013-02-22 02:20:50Z

would be gratful if anyone who served or knows of anyone
during this time I am trying form a tree if i can i served in the aust navy 1957 to 1984
thank u

Re: Re: Post Nominals - I.M.D / S.T.C.? - Richard Berley Lowe BROWN

christopperbrown — 2013-02-14 14:44:07Z

Hello Emily,I'm on a voyage of discovery here.In WW1 Richard served with the Oxfordshire and Buckingham Light Infantry in Ahmednagar, India. Under command of 17th Indian Brigade of 6th (Poona) Division, Indian Army. I've also found out that later he was indeed a police officer while serving with the S.T.C. and I am trying to gain verification about his death. I am also in the process of scanning several recently discovered photos and documents including a charming picture of my aunt Lenella in a sari and a real surprise - a photo of Richard's brother; Edward! Finally,I have a document that describes Joseph Brown as an Apothecary with the Indian Medical Dept. You can find more about the I.M.D from the Imperial War Museum website here in the UK. It is very interesting!
Please keep in touch. My best wishes to you and your family.

Re: Post Nominals - I.M.D / S.T.C.? - Richard Berley Lowe BROWN

ghostlovescorex — 2013-02-13 19:15:47Z

Hi, my grandmother was very happy to hear you had made contact with us. I have this ww1 medal card with Richards name on it although he is listed as serving for oxfordshire, and as working for Bangalore Police Force although the station he lists as his posting closed a few years before the date of the record, and I can't find any more records of military service. I have attached a copy of this record to this message, would you be able to send me a copy of the photos you have please?

Re: Post Nominals - I.M.D / S.T.C.? - Richard Berley Lowe BROWN

christopperbrown — 2013-02-09 09:50:15Z

Hello again Emily,
My sincere regards to your grandmother, my aunt. I too know little about Capt. Joseph IMD. When I read more about those nominals though it appeared that the IMD was for the treatment of Indian Nationals only. I wonder why? A similar mystery is what the STC were as I found an article implying that they acted in a policing role. I am in the process of gathering as many old photos as possible. I know that they include a picture of Richard Burleigh Lowe Brown and one of Olga in a sari. Also, Charles and Kenneth together in the 1960's.

Re: Post Nominals - I.M.D / S.T.C.? - Richard Berley Lowe BROWN

ghostlovescorex — 2013-02-08 11:14:12Z

Yes we are related. Richard Berley is my great grandfather, I have found him under both spellings of his name but I have not much information on Captain Joseph Brown. My grandmother (Daphne Rankin b. brown) has no memory of a second home though. it is good to hear from new found family :)

Re: Re: Post Nominals - I.M.D / S.T.C.?

timtracker — 2013-02-01 14:05:59Z

My best guess for these abbreviations would be :

Signals Training Centre

Indian medical Department

But this really is more of a guess than a promise.

Re: Post Nominals - I.M.D / S.T.C.? - Richard Berley Lowe BROWN

christopperbrown — 2013-02-01 14:05:33Z

Hello Emily,
I think we are related. Richard Berley Lowe Brown of Bangalore was my Grandfather. He and Linella Mary Swasbrook had daughters who emigrated to Australia and two sons who emigrated to the UK when India gained independence. I am one of their sons. I always got the impression that Captain Joseph Brown had a medical background,perhaps with Scottish origins, and that the family enjoyed the colonial life,living in Bangalore with a 2nd home in the Nilgiris Mountains. I have found that 'Berley' has variations and you may discover more by trying 'Berlie' Lowe Brown. I am delighted to find a family member and wish you well.
Christopher Brown

Captain Hugh MACKENZIE, 2nd European Regiment, Bengal Army

infosending1 — 2013-01-16 19:06:58Z

Thankyou, you're welcome, and I think that it's useful and desirable to preserve and document such interesting snippets of history.

If you succeed in finding the regimental records and war diary they will probably make very interesting reading.

He certainly experienced some fascinating times and historical events.

Perhaps the events of the Indian Mutiny may have contributed to his promotion to the Colonelcy of the regiment.

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I forgot to mention that the previously attached document is from the East India Register & Army List 1855.

It apparently says that he was commissioned into either
the British, or the British Indian Army in 1825.

That sounds reasonable when compared to the 1805 birth date given for him above in his newspaper obituary, which suggests that he was about 20 when he was commissioned.

The other details in the obituary match well with the following information.

I have him on 3 consecutive censuses in Scotland, post retirement, 1861, 1871, and 1881, and it's definitely him.

I also have a possible mention of him in...
The India office and Burma office list 1864, on page 56.

BENGAL RETIRED OFFICERS

1825 Mackenzie, Lt. Col. H., 15th Dec. 1859

Which once again matches well with the Obit and census, and army list information, with one exception.

In all 3 censuses his Surname is spelled as McKenzie, not a problem, it's clearly him.

The problem is that in all of the censuses his year of birth is given as 1816, and if he was commissioned in 1825 he can't have been commissioned at the age of 8. !

Since in 1881 he had a 27 year old wife to whom he had probably been married to for at least 3 years, judging by the age of his 3 year old son, I at first suspected that he might have understated his true age by about 10 years in connection with a courtship.

Obviously a frisky old boy, whatever his true age was.

However he is also listed on the 1861 census as having been born in 1816, so that theory doesn't appear to be correct.

There are only 2 other possible explanations that I can think of, both of which may be wrong.

Firstly that the age given in the newspaper Obituary was wrong, which seems unlikely since all of the other obituary details are correct and are confirmed by the information on the 3 censuses.

BTW - Re all the locations mentioned, check them on a map, they're all pretty close to each other and they all match the location information given in the obituary.

Secondly, that there were 2 people, ( possibly related ), both called Hugh Mackenzie, who both served in the same regiment in the same era.

I'll leave you to figure that all out.

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1861 census 7th April 1861

Piece: 799 Folio: 1 Page: 20
Registration District: Melrose
Civil Parish: Melrose
Address: St Dunstanes, Melrose
County: Roxburghshire

MCKENZIE, Hugh Head Widower 45 1816 Rosekeen, Ross and Cromarty

Lieut Col H C Army Reo Sert - ( exact transcription quote ) Reo is probably Retired
can't figure out what the rest might mean.

MCKENZIE, Mary J Daughter Unmarried 15 1846 England Scholar

MCKENZIE, Sarah A Daughter Unmarried 7 1854 India Calcutta Scholar

WEARS, Margt Servant Unmarried 43 1818 Domestic Servant Montrose, Forfarshire (Angus)

MATHISON, Elisabeth Servant Unmarried 27 1834 Domestic Servant Selkirkshire

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1871 census 2nd April 1871

Piece: 70 Folio: 2 Page: 11
Registration District: Kiltearn
Civil Parish: Kiltearn
Address: Fowlis Mains, Kiltearn
County: Ross and Cromarty

MCKENZIE, Hugh Head Widower 55 1816 Lieut Colonel Late B Bengal Army Retired Rosskeen, Ross and Cromarty

CAMPBELL, Isabella Servant Unmarried 48 1823 Cook Knoidart, Invernessshire

ROSS, Annie Servant Unmarried 22 1849 Housemaid Kilmorack, Invernessshire

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1881 census 3rd April 1881

Piece: 137 Folio: 8 Page: 30
Registration District: Forres
Civil Parish: Forres
Address: Park Mount Randolph Villa, Forres
County: Moray

MCKENZIE, Hugh Head Married 65 1816 Lt Col Retired Rosskeen, Rossshire

MCKENZIE, Edith S B Wife Married F 27 1854 England

MCKENZIE, Hugh G F Son 3 1878 Forres, Moray

SMITH, Elizabeth Servant Unmarried 23 1858 Domestic Servt Cook Forres, Moray

LAING, Mary Servant Unmarried 21 1860 Domestic Servt House Maid Forres, Moray

BARIN, Agnes Servant Unmarried 16 1865 Domestic Servt Nurse Keith, Banffshire

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Randolph Villa still existed up to at least 1993.

It's moodern address was, and possibly still is.

RANDOLPH VILLA
37 ST LEONARDS ROAD
FORRES
IV36 1DW

It was offered for sale in 1871.

Inverness Advertiser Friday, 17th November 1871

Forres - Randolph Villa, for sale

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Curiously it still had a military connection in 1915.

Robert Peat Hamilton Pte 29555 16th Canadian Inf (Manitoba Regt) born Forres 16/08/1881 enlisted Valcartier Age 33

Killed in Action F & F 22-Apr-15 Son of the late Mr William Mackintosh & Helen Ann Peat Hamilton, of Forres, Morayshire, Scotland.

Address also Randolph Villa, Forres.
Husband of Mary Hamilton, of 37, Murieston Crescent, Edinburgh, Scotland.

Morayshire Roll of Honour: Page: 169: Occ Solicitor. MI: Fc523. Menin Gate Memorial, Ypres M. R. 29 Panel 24 - 26 - 28 - 30 FG 26-5-15 2/2 Courant 28-5-15 1/1 FG 29-5-15 1/1

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There was a sad footnote to the Colonel's life though.

THE LONDON GAZETTE, MARCH 11, 1884.

Page 1256

NOTICE.
THE estates of Lieutenant-Colonel Hugh Mackenzie,
presently residing at Parkmount, Forres, were
sequestrated on Thursday, the 6th day of March, 1884,
by the Sheriff-Substitute of Elginshire.

The first deliverance is dated the 6th day of March,
1884.

The meeting to elect the Trustee and Commissioners
is to be held at twelve o'clock, noon, on Wednesday, the
19th day of March, 1884, within Charleson's Hotel, in
Forres.

A composition may be offered at this meeting; and to
entitle creditors to the first dividend, their oaths and
grounds of debt must be lodged on or before 7th July,
1884.

All future advertisements relating to this sequestration
will be published in the Edinburgh Gazette alone.
MACKENZIE and GRANT, Solicitors, Forres,
Agents.

Sequestration is the Scottish legal term for banktruptcy.

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BTW - Civil registration of births/deaths/marriages didn't start in England and Wales until 1837.

Scotland had, and still has, it's own BMD registration system, which started in 1854/1855, and so you should be able to find civil registrations for the marriage to the 1881 census wife and for the birth of the 1881 census son.

I can't see an English marriage registration, so the marriage almost certainly took place in Scotland.

Only get LONG VERSION certs, they contain more information than short version certs.

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Re Mary J. Mackenzie or Mckenzie born England circa 1846.

2 points, firstly census dates and ages are often approximations and can be out by a year or two.

Secondly, births were registered by the quarter of the year in which the birth was registered and parents had 6 weeks in which to register a birth so a birth in one quarter might not be registered until the following quarter and if the birth took place near the end of the year it might not be registered until the first quarter of the following year.

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Searching between 1844 and 1848, there are three possible birth registrations, 2 in England and one in Poona in India, a military birth registration.

You can get English birth certs from the local registration offices, or from the UK GRO = General Register Office.

The local offices will probably be quicker, but military/Indian birth certs can only be obtained from the GRO

In either case, the local offices or the GRO should be able to eliminate the incorrect cert based on the parent's names and occupations and they probably won't charge a fe for the incorrect certs, nor hopefully will they charge a search fee.

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Civil registration event: Birth
Name:MACKENZIE, Mary Jannet
Registration district: Kensington
County:London
Year of registration:1845
Quarter of registration:Jul-Aug-Sep
Mother's maiden name:Not available before 1911on birth registration summaries,
but will be listed on the birth cert.
Volume no: III
Page no: 316

http://www.rbkc.gov.uk/communityandlocallife/registrarsservi...

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Civil registration event: Birth
Name:MCKENZIE, Mary Jane
Registration district: Maldon
County:Essex
Year of registration:1845
Quarter of registration:Apr-May-Jun
Mother's maiden name:Not available before 1911
Volume no: 12
Page no: 158

Maldon registers are now held by Essex, Chelmsford.

http://www.essex.gov.uk/Births%20Ceremonies%20Deaths/Pages/O...

http://www.essex.gov.uk/Births%20Ceremonies%20Deaths/Births/...

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Registration event: Birth
Name:MCKENZIE, Mary J
Mother's name: Not available before 1966 on the registration
summary but will be listed on the birth cert.
Regiment: 22nd Foot ( different regiment, but Hugh didn't
join the Bombay regiment until later )
Place :Poona
Country:Indian Subcontinent
Year:1848
Volume : 915
Page: 77
Record source: GRO Regimental Birth Indices (1761 to 1924)

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http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/

http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/

http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/fees.asp

http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/most_customer...

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No sign of wife Edith in 1891, remarried perhaps. ?

However, could this be son Hugh G.F. listed as Hugh G.T., a boarder at a private school. ?

1891 census

Piece: 467
Folio: 2
Page: 22
Registration District: Dollar
Civil Parish: Dollar
Address: Burnside House, Dollar
County: Clackmannanshire

MCKENZIE, Hugh G T Boarder aged 13 Scholar born 1878 in Forres, Moray

Re: Captain Hugh MACKENZIE, 2nd European Regiment, Bengal Army

fan1503 — 2013-01-15 14:48:43Z

Hi

Many many thanks for all your information as well as your time and effort in this. This will be a big help to enable us to continue our search.

Once again, many thanks

Steph

Re: Captain Hugh MACKENZIE, 2nd European Regiment, Bengal Army

infosending1 — 2013-01-15 13:49:53Z

From The Northern Warder And Bi-Weekly Courier And Argus April 7th, 1885.

Forres ( Scotland )

The late Lieutenant Colonel Hugh Mackenzie.

The death of Lieutenant Colonel Hugh Mackenzie, late of the 2nd Bengal ( European ) Fusiliers, took place here on Friday afternoon.

The deceased came to Forres from Poyntzfield, Cromarty,
nearly ten years ago, and during that time he lived in comparative retirement, taking no active interest in matters pertaining to the town.

Advancing age and an accident which he suffered about this time last year compelled him to renounce out-door exercise.

He died in his eightieth year.

He was twice married, and he leaves a family to mourn his loss.

During the earlier part of his career in the army he was engaged in many important actions, and his popularity as an officer was testified by the regret felt at his retirement and the gifts presented to him at that time.

His remains are to be interred in Cluny Hill Cemetery.

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The newspaper is mentioned here re Dundee.

http://www.scottish-places.info/towns/townhistory399.html

Quote...

There are also various municipal and political, as well as social and convivial, organisations in the town. The newspapers are - the Dundee Advertiser, published daily, as well as a bi-weekly edition on Tuesdays and Fridays; the Dundee Courier and Argus, daily, also with bi-weekly issue on Tuesdays and Fridays, entitled the Northern Warder; the Evening Telegraph, daily; the People's Journal, every Saturday; and the Weekly News, every Saturday. The People's Friend, a Scottish literary miscellany, is published every Wednesday; and the Wizard of the North, a comic journal, monthly.

Forres is about 20 miles east of Inverness and about 10 miles west of Elgin, it is about 75 miles north west of Dundee.

http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?hl=en&client=opera&hs=...

Cluny Hill Cemetery...

http://www.mbgrg.org/news.shtml

http://www.mbgrg.org/progress.shtml

http://local.stv.tv/forres/news/features/32721-historical-gr...

http://canmore.rcahms.gov.uk/en/site/153399/contribution/for...

http://www.flickr.com/photos/rcahms/5489054460/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/rcahms/tags/clunyhill/

Re: Captain Hugh MACKENZIE, 2nd European Regiment, Bengal Army

infosending1 — 2013-01-14 20:25:56Z

Background info,...your guy isn't listed here, but this is a memorial in India to some of the Indian Mutiny casualties, and several officers of the 2nd are listed.

http://glosters.tripod.com/IM6.htm

Re: Captain Hugh MACKENZIE, 2nd European Regiment, Bengal Army

infosending1 — 2013-01-14 19:54:12Z

This may well be his regiment, and this may well be him on the attached document.

Left click the attachment to enlarge it, and then right click it to download and save it, save it as a jpg file, viewable by your choice of pic viewer program.

2nd Bengal (European) Light Infantry
aka
2nd Bengal (European) Fusiliers
aka
104th Regiment of Foot (Bengal Fusiliers)
aka
The Royal Munster Fusiliers, ( disbanded in 1922 ).

http://wiki.fibis.org/index.php?title=2nd_Bengal_(European)_...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/104th_Regiment_of_Foot_(Bengal_...)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Royal_Munster_Fusiliers

http://www.nam.ac.uk/research/famous-units/royal-munster-fus...

http://wiki.fibis.org/index.php?title=Bengal_Army_Regiments

http://wiki.fibis.org/index.php?title=Stations_of_British_Ar...

http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/records/looking-for-perso...

http://www.members.dca.net/fbl/

http://www.bl.uk/reshelp/findhelpregion/asia/india/indiaoffi...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honourable_East_India_Company

BTW - The Indian Mutiny was in 1857.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_Rebellion_of_1857

Scotland has it's own birth/marriage/death registration system.

For Scottish BMD events and certificates, you want the official Scottish government site, which is...

www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk

Scottish censuses are available online.

Re: Military research 64th Regiment

infosending1 — 2013-01-14 17:32:50Z

I suggest that you try the Regimental Museum in the Regiment's later incarnation as the Staffordshires.

http://staffordshireregimentmuseum.com/regiment.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/64th_(2nd_Staffordshire)_Regime...

The British national Archives at Kew might have his service record, but it probably won't be available online.

http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/catalogue/displaycatalogu...

http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/records/research-guides/a...

http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/records/looking-for-perso...

If you're looking for a particular individual, they should be listed on the U.K. censuses, even if serving abroad or in Ireland.

1851, 1861, 1871, 1881, censuses, deaths, marriages or births whilst serving with the regiment should be listed in the army BMD registrations which were forwarded to the UK GRO = General Register Office.

Captain Hugh MACKENZIE, 2nd European Regiment, Bengal Army

fan1503 — 2013-01-11 15:58:51Z

I am looking to locate a relative, Captain Hugh Mackenzie of the 2nd european regiment, Bengal Army. We have him down as enlisting 1825 and many articles from newspapers up until 1850 or so. We know his wife and childrens name but are looking to find more information on his time with the army and hopefully a date of birth so that we can trace our family further. We arent sure whether he was born in Scotland and joined the British Army first or whether he was born in India to a british family. We have potential parents but no links as yet. We have searched all records possible with absolutely no trace of him or his wife pre the 2nd european regiment. Any suggestions on where I may look? Many thanks

William LOWE - Desertion in West Indies 1818

terrysmith984 — 2013-01-04 13:59:13Z

My GGGGrandfather was senteced to life for Desertion in West Indies on 14.january1818 we understand he was a groom in the Army can anyone help in sheding light on him

Military research 64th Regiment

Smudgegjt — 2013-01-03 19:41:53Z

I am looking for information within the period 1850-1880 64th Regiment. Sailed Plymouth to Malta 1867 and then in 1872 sailed to Queenstown Ireland. Need passeger list for both trips.

Also struggling for info on the regiment. In particular Sgt George Martin married to Esther Martin.

Can anyone help or give me guidance as to where to look for above.

Re: Bisley Shooting Prize

jazzygaunt — 2012-11-22 10:13:45Z

Thanks very much indeed for that advice. It hadn't dawned on me to try the Shooting Centre itself - I had contacted the Guards HQ but they were unable to help, so I shall now get in touch with Bisley. Thanks agai for your advice

Re: Bisley Shooting Prize

halpark — 2012-11-20 13:04:32Z

This may have gone through twice - computer seems to be misbehaving. Suggested you contact the National Shooting Centre at Bisley. I have about 40 of these spoons, they were often given for top score at each range, so there could be a set of six for one competition, rare occurrence to get all six. I also have enough tankards to run a pub, c. 75 sew-on, stick-on badges, silver cups etc. etc. Unfortunately target shooting is not a spectator sport so if there is no personal interest they are simply not wanted. However I would be surprised if Bisley could not identify it for you. Good luck

Re: Researching Hessian regiments in Ireland c. 1798?

gidili — 2012-11-17 14:14:49Z

hi, sorry i took so long to answer. i went off on another search for other families. how is your research going ?
have you been to london ?

Re: Researching Hessian regiments in Ireland c. 1798?

gidili — 2012-10-24 12:49:38Z

hi,

his name was 'martin fleischer' hompesch hussars and mounted riflemen.

thanks.

Re: Researching Hessian regiments in Ireland c. 1798?

s_canavan — 2012-10-22 17:19:21Z

My brother was at the archives and took photos of the records. Unfortunately we couldn't find our ancestor there.

What was your ancestor's name? I can check if he appears in the records.

Baltic Conflict 1919

Yoda11595 — 2012-10-21 18:11:31Z

Hi, I had a Great Uncle who died aboard HMS DRAGON (17-10-1919), William Robert Harper Trett was only 17 when he was killed, along with 8 other shipmates. Did your Ancestor serve on HMS DRAGON? Was he one of the Forward Gun Crew to lose his life?
If so I would like to hear from you asap.

Regards,
Yoda

Re: Post Nominals - I.M.D / S.T.C.?

JeffH01 — 2012-09-19 14:27:18Z

I.M.D. = Indian Medical Department.

S.T.C. = Supply & Transport Corps

Jeff

Post Nominals - I.M.D / S.T.C.?

ghostlovescorex — 2012-09-19 12:53:40Z

Hi, I hope someone can help me.
I have found a wedding announcement for my great-grandparents wedding. In the announcement my 2nd great grandfather is named:
Capt. Joseph Brown, I.M.D., Retd
and my great-grandfathes name as:
Staff-Sergeant Richard Berley Lowe Brown, S.T.C.

I don't know much about these two men as my grandmother had never met them, they were from India under British Rule and I do know that Richard has a military background. I have googled the post nominals but I can't find anything. Is anyone able to help me by telling me what they mean or stand for?? Or possibly point me in the right direction?

I have attached a copy of the marriage announcement as well

Thanks in advance,
Emily

Re: Bisley Shooting Prize

jazzygaunt — 2012-08-25 08:26:23Z

Thanks very much indeed for that advice. I'll try it and see what happens. Thanks again.

Re: Bisley Shooting Prize

JeffH01 — 2012-08-24 22:44:09Z

It could be a personal prize from a Regimental or perhaps Army or Inter Service Shooting Championships.
The obvious contact is the Guards Museum to see if they can shed any light on it, but I suggest you write to them and send pictures of both sides of the spoon and close-ups of any detail. If you know his service number and rank mention that in the letter.

Although service records of men who served after 1923 are with the MoD, the Coldstream Guards HQ may have some information or even a duplicate service record for him, write to:

Regimental Archivist
RHQ Grenadier/Coldstream/Scots/Irish/Welsh (select as appropriate) Guards
Wellington Barracks
Birdcage Walk
London SW1E 6HQ

Bisley Shooting Prize

jazzygaunt — 2012-08-23 09:29:25Z

I have a silver teaspoon that was apparently won by my Dad as a shooting prize at Bisley during the 1920s-1930s. He was in the Coldstream Guards at the time. The spoon is very ornate, with the end of the handle showing a shooting target over a powder horn with a crown and crossed rifles above, all surrounded by a laurel leaf. There is more patterning along the handle.
Does anyone know how (or if) I can find out when this prize was won and what level of prize it represents?

need help

ValarieGibson70 — 2012-05-02 14:59:11Z

this my uncle his name is fredrick d gibson born nov. 4th 1888 i dont know witch war, but i would love to know.

Re: Researching Hessian regiments in Ireland c. 1798?

s_canavan — 2012-01-18 22:38:12Z

Wow, it's great that you have his letters.

The UK National Archives at Kew have a partial muster roll for the Hompesch hussars from 1799 which may contain details on your ancestor. The reference for the record is WO 12/11742:

http://yourarchives.nationalarchives.gov.uk/index.php?title=...

The next time I'm in the London area I hope to visit the archives and will try to check the Hessian records.

I believe there are also records at the German state archives concerning the Hessians but I have not looked into this in detail yet.

The best of luck with your research,

Shane

Re: Researching Hessian regiments in Ireland c. 1798?

gidili — 2012-01-18 08:40:34Z

in a letter he wrote he mentions that he was in the hompesch hussars and mounted riflemen until 1802 when they disbanded. he states that he was in ireland at the whole of the late rebellion and present at killala in 1798. i found his marriage in the irish church records where he says he was in the 'hessian regt.'' after they disbanded in 1802 he came to the cape of good hope with the 21st light dragoons in 1806.

Re: Researching Hessian regiments in Ireland c. 1798?

s_canavan — 2012-01-12 21:43:30Z

I believe the National Archives in Kew in the UK hold lists of soldiers in these regiments, but as I can't go there in person I'd need to pay a researcher to check the records.

Do you mind me asking how you found out that your ancestor was a member of a Hessian regiment? Do you know any details of his activities at all?

Re: Researching Hessian regiments in Ireland c. 1798?

gidili — 2012-01-12 09:02:02Z

would love to know if such a list exists
as i am also interested in finding my ancestor
who was one of the 'hessian regt.''

Re: Frank Withers(father and son)

paulclose120 — 2011-12-11 19:47:57Z

I don't believe this is the right Frank Snr becasue the record says that his wife is Susan where as in the Frank Jnr record is he married to Mary ann. But thank you for your help.

Re: Frank Withers(father and son)

sarajones817 — 2011-12-09 13:00:56Z

Paul - I found this re:Frank Withers Snr. I believe it matches up to your info: http://www.cwgc.org/search/casualty_details.aspx?casualty=46...

The Commonwealth War Graves website is very good for searching casualties and you can find out where they are buried. If I loose track of a relative and they were of age during one of the wars I always check this site. Sometimes, for obvious reasons, there is not much info.

Hope this helps
Sara

Re: Frank Withers(father and son)

JeffH01 — 2011-12-09 13:00:36Z

Should have said earlier Frank Jnr died in 1944

http://www.cwgc.org/search/casualty_details.aspx?casualty=24...

Use his service details to obtain his records,mention he died in service.

see http://www.veterans-uk.info/service_records/service_records.... for details how to apply.

Re: Frank Withers(father and son)

paulclose120 — 2011-12-08 14:51:58Z

I know Frank Jnr died in 1944 but i'm unsure about Frank Snr

Re: Frank Withers(father and son)

sarajones817 — 2011-12-08 14:04:56Z

Do you know if they survived their Wars? I did a quick search through Ancestry's military records and came up with a Frank Withers from each war born in Birmingham. Both were unfortunately killed in action. If you need any more info let me know :)
Sara

Re: William Whyton, Armed forces marriage

JeffH01 — 2011-10-23 19:31:17Z

Two possible marriages but the one in India looks best.

From GRO Index to Army Returns of Marriage (1881-1955) page 67, 1936-1940, names ending WHI-WIL

Whyton, William P, Spouse Dixon; Station: Bangalore Year: 1937 Page: 232
Dixon Irene E, Souse Whyton; Station: Bangalore Year: 1937 Page: 232

From GRO Index to Registrations of Civil Marriages England & Wales

A relative perhaps?

Whyton, James W, Spouse Bowen; Dec Qtr 1937; District: Wolverhampton; Volume 6b page 1449
Bowen, Irene G, Spouse Whyton; Dec Qtr 1937; District: Wolverhampton; Volume 6b page 1449

You can obtain copies of the certificates from the GRO Southport, either online see http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/ , telephone or post – click Order cert’s etc > contact us for address & telephone number.

no births found for surname Whyton, mother Dixon in India or elswhere.

5 births listed for Whyton, mother Bowen; all district Wolverhampton:
Margaret 1938, James G 1939, Josephine B 1941, David A 1943 & Gloria 1948.

Jeff

Re: Frank Withers(father and son)

paulclose120 — 2011-10-22 13:45:40Z

Frank Snr was born in Birmingham about 1876 and he married Mary ann Layton in 1904.

Re: William Whyton, Armed forces marriage

paulclose120 — 2011-10-22 13:43:06Z

My gran thinks her name was Irene and she think's they married in th1930's to 1940's.

William WHYTON, Armed forces marriage in India

paulclose120 — 2011-10-22 13:13:39Z

I'm researching an ancestor of william pratley whyton and he got married in India whilst in the armed forces, i was wondering if anyone would know any information.

Thank you in advanced