Royal Navy - Family History & Genealogy Message Board

Royal Reserve

thenance333 — 7 Oct 2008 9:42:37 GMT

I was wondering if anyone knew a site you can look up people who were with the Royal Reserves in the late 1800's in Shropshire. Any help would be appreciated.

Many thanks

Nancy

Loss of HMS Captain 7 September 1870

vidler195 — 24 Aug 2008 1:07:04 GMT

This ship sank with the loss of 400+ men off Cape Finistere (Spain). Were would the record of the crew be registered? Looking specificaly for John Bremner - carpenter.

Thanks

Robert

Mariners and Royal Navy Records

tnpryors — 30 Sep 2008 2:56:38 GMT

I've exhausted my search through the UK Census and Registry records. I have traced my husband's lines all back to 1841. They were all mariners and Royal Navy seamen. A Couple note they are R.N. pensioners. Some of them aren't on all the census records because they were out to sea. They are all from Hampshire and Cornwall. Any ideas of how to trace these sailors?

Royal Navy abroad Birth Records

richardhadfield_1 — 29 Jul 2008 7:11:26 GMT

My great-grandfather served in the Royal Navy and was stationed at Rosslare Ireland 1902-1909. Two of his daughters were born there. Where will I be able to find their birth records.

Thanks,

Richard.

photos

avotier — 21 Nov 2006 8:50:07 GMT

looking for photo copies or prints of the following ships. IMOREGNABLE 1917-1918...GANGES. 1918...VIVID 1 1919...DAUNTLESS 1919....

Ark Royal assistance - Searles

lucyhilluk — 6 Sep 2008 12:24:53 GMT

Hi

A relative has just recalled someone who was killed on teh Ark Royal.

This person would be the son of Katherine Taylor (nee Searles) in my family tree (Katherine born 1885, Plumstead)who later remarried and picked up the surname Spalding.

I cannot find any website on records of those who died on HMS Ark Royal, so that I can search for Taylor or Spalding as surnames.

Does anyone know of a direction I can head in?

Many thanks for your assistance

Medal Listing Document - Please help, I'm a bit daft!!

funkeegirl80 — 26 Aug 2008 12:51:01 GMT

Hiya there

I started my family tree just 4 months ago so I'm very new to all this!

Most of my Grandad's side of the family were in the Navy/RAF and I wanted to find out about some of the medals my Grandad's father received during WW1....I went to the National Archives online to see what I could find and 3 people came up with results for Medal Listings which were documents I could buy and download from the website, which I did and I don't understand them! (Sorry to sound so dim!)

ROBERT FINCH HELLINGS is my Great Grandad who I know was the chief officer of the J J Wellington during WW1, RALPH FINCH HELLINGS is his brother who I don't know an awful lot about and what confuses me most is that DOUGLAS ROBERT HELLINGS is my Grandad's brother who was born in 1922 - so why is he on this form?

I wanted to attach the picture of the document here but it seems this forum doesn't like HTML....so I've added it to my Great Grandad's profile on my family tree.

If anyone would be kind enough to explain any of this to me I'd be so grateful :)

Thanks a lot!

Royal Marine - c1891

LyndaCassidy — 9 Aug 2007 1:14:58 GMT

I'm trying to find out some information regarding my great grandfather, Robert Yarnell (b. Petworth, Sussex, 1873). On the 1891 census - aged 18 - he's listed as being a Private in the Royal Marines, living at Royal Marine Depot South Barracks in Deal. My grandmother always said that her father suffered shrapnel wounds and was subsequently invalided out of service. However, from looking at the WW1 Pension Records for 1914 recently available on Ancestry, he appears to have re-enlisted aged 41 with a reg. no. of 2222. Would be very grateful for any pointers you may be able to give me as regards searching for service records etc.

death at sea

Alan_Boxall — 30 May 2008 3:02:46 GMT

My G/grandfather,Thomas James Wood drowned when HMS Cobra sank in the North Sea in September 1901. I have not been able to find a GRO reference to order a death certificate.
Are deaths at sea recorded separately from other deaths? Would the death be recorded at the place where the body was brought ashore?

training ships

jeansoilleux — 4 Aug 2008 3:00:40 GMT

I believe my great uncle was on the Boscowen training ship in Portland Dorset in 1901, how do I go about finding out if this was true and where did he go. His name was James Joseph Hales and was born 22/12/1881 at St Saviour Surrey. I believe he was put on this ship from the Lambeth New School Norwood a worh house I think.

HMS Pincher

EveMothershaw75 — 18 Apr 2008 7:54:50 GMT

My uncle, Stoker first class Albert Ernest Bartholomew, son of Fanny & Albert Bartholomew of Shipton Bellinger Hants, was serving on HMS Pincher during WW1 when she ran aground on the rocks off the Scilly Isles, (same place as the Torrey Canyon), and sank on the 24 July 1918. He was drowned and his name is on the memorial at Southsea Common, can anyone tell me if all hands were lost, if the bodies were recovered, if so where they were buried. Thanks for any information. Eve

Naval Colleges, Academies, Schools

mumrules — 7 Aug 2001 4:20:59 GMT

Does anyone know where there were any Naval Schools running in England around 1830-1850.
My Great Great Grandfather (Joseph Ignatius Richards) was supposedly placed in one by his brothers. He did not like it so he ran away.
The frist official record I can find of him is when he married a Rebecca Smith in 1861. I have just received a copy of his death cert and it states that he was born in Birmingham, England. Also that he had been in New Zealand for 34 years and that when he died he was 74.
Any info gratefully received.

Joseph Taylor - need help understanding search results

katherineofengland — 27 Jun 2008 3:47:19 GMT

I'm looking at the Documents online page at the National Archives website, but I'm a little confused about the details given about service records.

For instance: http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/documentsonline/details-r...

Is the 'Date 21 April 1902' the date Joseph signed up or his date of birth?

Thanks in advance for any help you can give me.

Naval/Military headstones in Pembrokeshire

Orielbenfro — 20 May 2008 10:13:13 GMT

Free lookup and supplied information.

I have for sometime been collecting military related headstones from Churchyard, Chapelyard and Cemetries from around Pembrokeshire. Currently I have approximately 1,200 people covering the period 1745 - 2006.

I would consider the majority are none local people and come from as far away as the Sheltland Isles and overseas.

Where possible I have done limited research surrounding the person and or the event that caused his/her deaths.

Remember look up and supply of info and photo's where possible are free

Rgds

Where can I find info online about my relative who was in the navy?

doogaldetects — 15 May 2008 9:45:19 GMT

I have a relative called George Wilks Thompson Taylor who was in the navy. He was born in 1910 in Berwick-upon-Tweed. Sorry I don't have any more info. but I do have a picture of him in his uniform I can upload if that would help.

Can anybody tell me where I can look online to find out any info about him in the navy please?

Must be online as I live outside the UK and so can't get to the National Archives or whatever...

Thank you inadvance for your help

Rachel

Charles William Towner

eveandjohn1 — 13 Feb 2008 12:30:24 GMT

Charles was born 1850 Portsmouth, would have joined the Navy prior to 1871 as he came to Australia about that time.
We know he was on the Marlborough in 1871 as the census says and was later on the H.M.S. Pearl, which visited Australia a few times on it's voyages, would like to get his History sheets etc but have know Idea what to do can any one help me please.

RN Service Record - Rating abbreviations

jdraperuk — 7 May 2008 12:42:22 GMT

Can anyone help with a source for rating abbreviations used on Victorian RN service records? The obvious ones (B2C, B1C, Ord, AB etc) are OK but I am looking for others. At the moment CAG has me guessing! On another record it is shown as Cap AG (Captain's something?). On one the G may have a "D" superscript - possibly "Guard"?

Any suggestions welcomed.

"The Complete NAVY LIST of the Napoleonic Wars 1793-1815" CD-Rom

Bernie777 — 15 Mar 2008 6:09:56 GMT

Does anyone have this CD?
Looking for look ups on the follwing surnames:
Harrison (Thomas) died 1800-1815
Moorsom
Gillespie

Thank you

Thomas Chicken c1776-1855

tjyuk — 29 Apr 2008 4:47:02 GMT

I am looking for information on Thomas Chicken c1776-1855. He is listed on the 1841 & 1851 cenus as a Greenwich Pensioner.

I obtained a copy of a document from TNA that shows his admission into Greenwich Hospital & details his age(64), service (10y 6m) date of entry 18/06/1840, when granted pension (1814) & amount (9) along with the remarks he suffered from Asthma.

I am aware that he served on HMS Raisonnable based @ Sherness Harbour Kent England in 1812 as his daughter Mary Ann b1812 (my 3x gt grandmother)is listed as being born on board the ship.

I am now at a lost as I would like to find out more details of his navy career but do not know where to start.

Any help would be very much appreciated.

Tracey

Albert James Ide in the Navy

glenda1461 — 26 Apr 2008 5:58:02 GMT

would any one be kind enough to do 1 1901 census lookup for me,i have sketchy details at the moment although i knoe he was in the navy,hoping to find out wether or not he was married by this time thanks for any help that can be offered in advance

Capt John Plummer Ardesoif, 4th Lieut 1759

ChrisTanner07 — 27 Jun 2005 2:17:53 GMT

I'm wondering how to track down sailors from the Royal Navy who served in the 18th century:

Capt John Plummer Ardesoif, 4th Lieu. 1759; Commander of "Pelican" (30 guns) 1776 - 78 at Antigua.

William Ardesoif (John's son), died at St. Domingo in 1796

Thomas Sproule (son-in-law of John)

Thanks, Chris

Which Royal Navy record shows next of kin?

GeorgieTaylor51 — 20 Oct 2007 6:34:20 GMT

I have my great grandfather's certificate of service from his time in the Royal Navy (1896 - 1919) but can someone tell me if there is a record and what it is known as which holds the next of kin information...and would there be different records as I'm hoping to find out who he listed as his next of kin before he got married in 1906. I'm having trouble finding out who his parents / siblings were.

Lord Nelson's Men

Les Guille — 30 Jan 2005 3:30:46 GMT

Looking for a source of a listing of men who served under Admiral Lord Nelson.

The EMPIRE DAY CHALLENGE CUP& Able Seaman Charles BAILEY

gaznav — 19 Mar 2008 10:42:07 GMT

About 8 years ago a gent called Michael Bailey posted about the Empire Day Challenge Cup and Able Seaman Charles Bailey. In particular he spoke of a silver medal won by his Grandfather, Able Seaman Charles Bailey, on Empire Day 1909 as a member of the 40 man team representing HMS Pembroke, the only Navy team ever to win the Empire Day Challenge Cup.

My great-grandfather (Andrew Charles Heath) was also on that team and I have his winners medal. I have tried e-mailing Michael Bailey but his e-mail account has closed. Can anyone help me contact him or shed any further info on this medal?

Many thanks

Gary

Royalist (1943), Victory (1944), Iron Duke (1945)

junedodds100 — 1 Apr 2008 1:57:09 GMT

hi amos balchin was on lots of ships he went in the navy as a boy and inlisted in1919 till 1945.he came from reigate burstow surry later lived in fareham.he then worked in Hasaler navy docks till he died 1957.he was based in portsmouth i think. same of his ships went to China.dont know any more.its a long shot but do any one out there know of him, im june balchin his doughter.

Battle of Jutland

Karencheryl — 7 Jul 2007 11:56:31 GMT

I am looking for any information on the Battle of Jutland specifically ship's crews
Can anyone help

HMS SHAMROCK

taostream — 23 Oct 2003 9:31:03 GMT

I have a series of photographs taken aboard HMS SHAMROCK, an inter-war Royal Navy Destroyer, I believe. I have no clue as to the date the photos were taken but they were taken by Edith F. Driver of Ipswich. The photos show the acceptance of a coffin aboard HMS Shamrock attended by Navy and Government officials and dignitaries and accompanied by a man in French military uniform. Given the timeframe of the Shamrock I'm wondering whether this points to the period around 1922 when French and British warships were monitoring the events at Smyrna (Izmir) in Turkey. There are certainly some photos in the collection showing "Doomed Smyrna" and one dated 1922. A possible red-herring in all this is a name on a modern letter accompanying the photos addressed to a T.R. Baker of Crawley, Sussex. He may have been married an Amy Smith. He may have been attached to the Essex Regiment (British Army) but his father may have served aboard HMS Shamrock which was scrapped in 1936. Lots of "mays" sorry! I'd like to trace any interested decendents but also any information from those who served aboard the Shamrock, indeed from any interested parties who could help add to the information I have. I could post digital copies of some of the photos via e-mail to anyone who is serious in helping to discover more about what they represent.

William Roxburgh

trisholdham2 — 4 Jan 2008 8:42:50 GMT

I have a William Roxburgh a mariner, the 1841 census has his wife Margaret b. 1804 independant and Robert a son age 15yrs in the Navy a daughter Margaret age 11 yrs and another son William James Fraser Roxburgh age 7 yrs, but no husband on the census, how can I find out about William Roxburgh in the navy , I know he was a gunner, but do not know if he was born in Scotland b. abt 1795, he could have been a greenich pensioner?
Can any one help me please.

RN service number ca 1890

SchuckWatsonFamily — 16 Jan 2008 3:42:29 GMT

I've just found a third generation of mariners in our lineage ... this third one with the Royal Navy.
I'll doubtlessly have further questions and requests as I try to flesh-out his career. Some of the early info is readily available in a photo-album, personal logbook (complete with pinup girl pictures pasted into the back pages) that he kept from 1891 (17 years of age) to 1898. This book contains brief handwritten records of his ships and voyages etc.
My service number query relates to a portrait photo that accompanied the book. The photo looks to me to be of a young officer (age 26), with sword, although i can't yet work out his rank from it. On the back is written his name and a note indicating the photo was taken 1900 just before he sailed to Australia to join HMS Dart. There is also a six digit numeral on the back of the photo.

My current query is: Is this six-digit number likely to be his service number? Is that likely to help me find further information about him?

I have him as "Frank" Seymour in census sheets and the photograph has "F M Seymour" ... but I haven't yet found out whether he enlisted as Frank or Francis or some other.

Cheers
Dougal
p.s. We have other old family material relating to one F B P Seymour RN (somewhat less obscure) but it doesn't appear that this F M Seymour is direct lineage from FBP.

HMS Cyane's Logbook of 1815

fazzinpa — 15 Jan 2008 12:56:47 GMT

In the April/May 1983 issue of "American Heritage" magazine is a short article "What it was like to be Shot up by Old Ironsides" concerning the discovery of 3 pages of the HMS "Cyane" logbook from February 13, 1815 to February 20 1815 with a trascription of the Feb 20, 1815 battle.

HMS Bounty anchor and Rudder photographs?

fazzinpa — 15 Jan 2008 12:44:44 GMT

At least two National Georgraphic publications have photograghs of the anchor of "HMS Bounty" salvaged 1957.
In regard to the "HMS BOunty" rudder found 1933-now reportably in Fuiji Museum-reportably there is a photograph of rudder in John Marshall's "Royal Navy Biography" 1935 on page 4. Anyone have a good print of the "rudder" to post?

Greenwich Pensioners

ivormary1 — 7 Dec 2007 11:39:23 GMT

I am trying to trace a Joseph IRELAND b.1821 in Silverton, Devon. On the 1841 Census he is listed at East Stonehouse Royal Marine Barracks, Plymouth. On the 1851 Census he is living with his parents Joseph b.1780 and Hannah b.1782 in Silverton. His occupation is listed as Greenwich Pensioner/Labourer. The 1861 census shows Joseph is then married to Caroline b.1833 and they have 3 daughters and 1 son. His occupation again is listed as Greenwich Pensioner/Labourer. I can follow him right up to his death in 1882 but its the early years I am having trouble with. I do not know how to find his regiment, dates of enlistment/discharge or anything else relating to him. Any advice would be gratefully received. Mary

navy ship Benbow

junedodds100 — 1 Jan 2008 5:52:18 GMT

hi my dad was born 1901 surry he went in navy at about 14.went to china ??wed in portsmouth lived in fareham and westbourn. i was born 1943 he was in china then. later worked at hasler, he was on the benbow thats all i know. can any one help please

Overlord Invasion

yohyohy — 7 Dec 2007 9:28:14 GMT

HI does anyone researching their family, thru navy boards, happen to be searching for anyone who was or knew someone who was on the Overlord Invasion on normandy in 1944/06/06.
My Uncle was one of those men.Eugene Terrell aged 19 yrs old,sailed from england on the Llangibby castle. Was with the flotilla 557/6 if u can help with anything i'd be greatfull, i do have quiet abit of info so i have given this so as not to waste yr time.
heres thankin you
jacki b

Missing records?

LynneBanister — 6 Nov 2007 3:48:00 GMT

I have downloaded the navy record for my ancestor James Rees May but it is incomplete. It shows he joined the navy for 10 years in 1867 as a carpenter. It records only one ship from 1/1/1873 to 14/2/1873 then, in the discharged column says "list 17 no 7 for Asia promoted to act. carp 2 C". After this are the words "traced for 7.5.07" (or at least that's what it looks like).
I know he served until 1903 when he retired as a lieutenant - this information from the London Gazette. Any ideas on where I might find the rest of his record?
Any help greatly appreciated.

Advice re Royal Naval Records please

PatriciaGraceP — 12 Oct 2007 5:05:50 GMT

My daughter via Ancestry.com has found discharge papers for my grandfather in 1917 where he appears to have been serving with the 5th Kings Liverpool Regiment but it states that he had started with his medical condition in 1906 when he served with the Royal Navy - Navy and East coast Camp Northampton and says he had 6 years in the Navy; I can't find a rank and also the writing is quite difficult to read. I only ever heard talk of my grandfather being in "The Home Guard" which I assume is like "Dad's Army" In 1915 he was 30 years of age and if it's true he had served in the Navy for 6 years then would he have volunteered? Could it be he was in the Navy for 6 years and due to his condition which was "recurrent rheumatism" was transferred to the 5th KLR? After the name of the regiment the letters N.R.G appear or could be N.R.S. - what would they stand for? The problem is that the writing is so bad in places that I can't read it which makes it difficult to understand.

I doubt that I could trace his Naval records with so little info could I but have a feeling that he may never have "sailed the seas" and perhaps just had a desk job with the Royal Navy.

Would appreciate any advice to find further information on William Singleton from Liverpool.

Greenwich Pensioner

karen_holroyd — 19 Nov 2007 4:13:36 GMT

Looking for more information on Joseph Attwood born approx 1785 Rowley Regis, son of Mark and Sylvia. Joseph married Mary Davies at Portsea in 1804 where he is listed as the "Portsmouth Division of Marines".

At his son, Gilbert's wedding, his occupation is Staff Sergeant in 1844.

On 1851 census Joseph is listed as Greenwich Pensioner.
On 1861 census Joseph has remarried a Catherine and is listed as Sergt Major, R Marines, out pensioner Greenwich

We have checked the National Archives for Greenwich Pensioners but can't find any record of Joseph at all.

Can anyone advise us where to find more information about his marine career. Would also love to learn more about his rank and the work involved.

Many thanks, Karen

John Main on board Man of War HMS Athol

PAUL MAIN — 22 Sep 2006 12:57:32 GMT

have finally located details of what vessel my grampsx4 was on, id just like some further information on that vessel, especially its activities between 1826-1834. With thanks,, Paul

Sailor Wages to family - Nelson's navy

thejoneshouse — 2 Jul 2007 6:35:07 GMT

If a sailor indicated that his wages should be sent home - how and where did his family get the money? My ancestor John Murch was in the navy 1793 - 1815 and his wife lived in Ashburton Devon. I just wondered how she survived with the small children when he was at sea.

Thanks
Tania

Brettenny in the Navy, mid-nineteenth century

milbe — 17 Oct 2007 8:42:23 GMT

My husband's great-great-grandfather, Benjamin Brettenny died in Cape Town, South Afica in Dec. 1881 at the age of 68 (or 63). He was born in England but I have no idea where or who his parents were. He was a seaman (a Boatswain) when he lived in South Africa, later becoming an Officer, Central Wharf in Cape Town. His son was born in Cape Town in 1853 so he must have arrived there some time before this. I believe it is possible that he went to SA as a seaman and was wondering how I could go about finding any naval records for him. I have searched on the National Archives site under various spellings of his name but have found nothing. Is is possible that there still might be something there for him? I would be grateful for any advice.

Where is South Jurmo?

Segilla — 24 Sep 2007 9:44:41 GMT

The Times, Monday, Sep 20, 1847;
Coast Guard Appointments. Lt W E Amiel to the South Jurmo Station.

Roy Browne Dando 1919-1987

zena77 — 28 Sep 2007 10:30:18 GMT

Name: Roy Browne Dando (Browne = middle name)
Born: 5th May 1919, Hereford, Herefordshire, UK
Died: November 1987, Rlymouth, Devon, UK - Aged: 68

hi,

having lost major members of my close family, im looking into putting my family history together.

Im searching for my grandad's naval records. Ive discovered through birth records that his name was Roy Browne Dando (Browne being his registered middle name). I was surprised at this because my mum always told me that his surname was double barrelled.

I know that he joined the Royal Navy in WWII (1940's) and left as an officer (date unknown - possible late 1950's). I know that he left my nan (Florence Minnie Dando) and their three children and got divorced in 1950's. He then moved down to Plymouth and married another woman called Phylis. Obviously due to the subject of Roy leaving, he was very much a "no go" area to talk about.

Just before he died, he did meet up with my mum and that was the first and last time I ever met him (vague memory as i was very young). All i remember of him was ginger hair! He died soon after visiting.

His naval records were complete and handed down to my mum, but in her anger of the family history at the time, she ripped up and threw all the documents out.

I really would like to know more about him, service records etc etc. Mainly to preserve something for future generations and to know "who i am".

If anyone can help me.... please feel free to msg!! :)

Many thanks

Zena

RN Form 257 - anyone know what this is please?

ELLinSpain — 23 Sep 2007 9:11:58 GMT

Hi all

On a service record for a rellie in the RN it states that he recieved a form (as above) (1915) does anyone know what this form relates to please?

Thanks for reading

Ell

HELP please - where have the Naval Pers. Records gone?

ELLinSpain — 21 Sep 2007 11:28:13 GMT

Hello everyone

Need some help please; Last year, online, I found the record of 1 of my grandfathers - handwritten - (served till 1937) - i.e. a copy of his service number (top right) then,a description of him (height, weight, eye colour etc) and, a listing of ships he had been on. I dont remember if it was a subscription/PAUG or? but, my link to it (I did save it honest!) has gone. Does anyone know where it's gone?

Many thanks for reading

Ell

British Navy Records for World War I

kellyerickson59 — 9 Aug 2007 2:23:44 GMT

Hello,
I am searching for a realtive that was in the British Navy during World War I. Can anyone tell me where to find these records??

Thank you.

Kelly
kelly.familyhistory@gmail.com

Irish surgeon in British Navy, c.1800

vickifperry — 6 Aug 2007 7:27:29 GMT

Hi,

I have come across a biography of one of my ancestor's brothers, which says that their mother's father was a 'surgeon in the British Navy'. This is all that I know about him, other than that his name was Edward Minchin and that he died (according to his gravstone), 5 May 1826. He would probably have been born around 1760 in County Tipperary, Ireland and his wife was called Elizabeth nee Hunt.

Where would I go to find out about his navy career and if the information in the biography is accurate?

T

19th century ships

GaryBerlin981 — 15 Jul 2007 6:58:59 GMT

I'm trying to find information on the HMS Rosario which sailed around the South Seas in the 1860s and 70s. It had a captain George Palmer in 1870 who I think I'm descended from (my 3xgreat grandfather). Any ideas where to look - I'm not based in the UK so would have to rely on the internet

Gary

Regulators and ships police

ianandjill — 16 Jul 2007 8:56:12 GMT

We are looking for anyone with a history of regulating or ships corporals/master at arms in their family history. We are at present setting up a museum at Soutwick Park, Hampshire(the old HMS Dryad) to cover all aspects and history of the branch

John Clark Lamb

Pamtobin52 — 14 Jul 2007 3:41:11 GMT

Hi
Looking for information re the service of John Clark Lamb.
He served in the South Australian Navy, on the ship "Protector" which joined the British Empire Fleet in the Boxer Rebellion. He was a chief petty officer.
Can anyone help.
Thanks
Pam

Frank Paul

happydancyfeet — 14 Jul 2007 5:26:51 GMT

I'm looking for info on Frank paul who served in the Royal Navy, he was aboard HMS Corunna in the late 40's/early 50's. he was also one of "wingate's chindits" before returning to the Royal Navy. I believe he would be in his 80's now. Limited info I'm afraid.

Naval Records

SueDent — 3 Jul 2007 12:45:42 GMT

My gg-uncle Charles A'LEE from Cornwall, England was in the Royal Navy until 1921.

On 24 July 1924 he left Southampton aboard the "Melita" headed for Montreal, he travelled as Charles LEE with a Mabel LEE.

Having looked at his Seaman's records there is a note at the bottom that the particulars were sent to Naval Liasion Officer, The Ro?borough, Ottawa, Canada 04/2/61

Does anyone know the full address & whether it would be possible to get his pension details in a hope of discovering where he lived whilst he was in Canada.

Sue

H.C.U. Navy ?

vincentHRD1948 — 4 Jun 2007 10:43:39 GMT

Help
As Father's Rank or Profession on a 1880 marriage certificate it has 'Commander in H.C.U (or W). Navy'
Does anybody know what this means. Previously he was a Commander with P & O.

Transferred to Coastguard

65hplane — 23 Apr 2007 9:55:34 GMT

Dear All

I have a seamans record (which I can't attach because it's a pdf file!) which ends with the words 'Transferred to Coastguard (NF) 1.5.1919 (See Special Register)'.

First, what does the NF mean, and second what is the 'special register' and where can I find it!!

Many thanks

Andrea

1793 -joined as "able seaman"

thejoneshouse — 10 Jun 2007 9:39:56 GMT

The first record of John MURCH serving in the Royal Navy is in 1793. He is listed as an ABLE Seaman rather than an ordinary seaman. His hometown was in Dartmoor (Ashburton, Devon). After a few years of ABLE he became part of a Sailmaker's Crew and then a Sailmaker. Any ideas how he would be assessed as ABLE if I can't find any record of previous Royal Navy service. Thanks Tania

HMS Malabar

brendaedmonds1 — 29 Apr 2007 3:57:59 GMT

I have my gr. grandfather's naval register #67212 and need help with the terminology used

Ships' Books List 5 No. 12
Rating D2C
Period of Service 3 June 1873 to 8 March 76
Character 19 31 12 1873 ... Exempty
If Discharged: D.D. ... Malta Hospital ... Enteris Fever
Remarks: (per R Cert'e) Invalided 30/1/76

We were lead to believe he was buried at sea.

If I order the ships log for that period would it tell me if he was buried at sea? after being hospitalized in Malta would he have returned (alive or dead) to the HMS Malabar?

Any one's help would be appreciated.

Marine Death Certificate

billbinns_1 — 23 Jun 2007 7:01:54 GMT

Hi,
I have a ship's carpenter Hugh Johnston who died at sea in 1889 on the SS HESLEYSIDE. Can someone tell me how I go about getting a Death Certificate for him?
Regards,
Bill

Naval Service record of Michael Monaghan c1820-1847

mgourley1 — 23 Jun 2007 10:52:43 GMT

Hello Hope someone can help me. My ggranddfather Michael O'Monaghan born 1803-1872 in Ireland but served in the English Navy for 21 years before coming to Osprey Ontario Canada around 1849.He was the first Reeve of Osprey township in 1851 but I don't know where in Ireland he came from so hope there is some English records that would show something. Thanks for any help.He was married to Elizabeth Brown also from Ireland but possibley married in England or Canada.

Mary in Canada

John O'Brien, of Cork C1885

Paul Ferris — 25 Apr 2006 11:47:48 GMT

Hi all...can ANYONE please offer any suggestions.

My G-Grandfather was born in Cork, Ireland in 1869. I know he joined the Navy in c1885, possibly lied about his age to get in. He served in the navy until about 1914, exact date not known.

He married Annie May Halliday in Dec 1916, and then lived in Bristol until his death in 1957. His occupation at the time of his marriage was 'Train Car Cleaner'.

Annie May was his second wife, we have no idea who his first wife was.

Now you know as little as we do. I would very much like to find out about his Navy career but have absolutely no idea how to find anything.

I have tried the navy site but gave up after a couple of hours getting totally lost. I have also written to the offices holding the naval records but they want the information I am trying to find, i.e. service number, where and when stationed and aboard what ship, and occupation in services, to give me any information. Plus I understand it is VERY expensive getting info from Kew.

PLEASE what can you suggest....I am pulling my hair out now, well what is left!!

Paul

Trafalgar ancester "in lieu"

thejoneshouse — 10 Jun 2007 9:36:46 GMT

Hi - My ancester John MURCH was on the Belleisle at Trafalgar (Sailmaker). He joined the Belleisle in 1802 and the notation by his name was "in lieu" rather than volunteer or pressed. What does "in lieu" mean? Thanks

Naval Records

brendaedmonds1 — 26 Apr 2007 6:25:58 GMT

My Gr. Grandfather's naval records read that he served from 3 June 1873 to 8 March 1876
Under Character it says "1921/12/73 Exempy"
Under Discharge it reads "D.D. Malta Hospital Enteris fever"
Under Remarks it reads "per N(?) Certe Invalided 30/1/76"

Can anyone explain this better for me. I certainly would appreciate it. My guess is that Certe is a short for of Certificate - The "N" I'm not sure of but it is not a "D"

I was always told that he died at sea and is buried at sea - could this be correct? If he died in the hospital would his body have been buried at sea?

Thanks

Her Majesty's Ship Malabar

Brenda Edmonds — 27 Mar 2004 4:18:16 GMT

First let me ask - "Her Majesty's ship - MALABAR"
Would this ship be in the Merchant Navy/British Merchant Marines?

"HARRY" Henry William GOBLE

Harry is my Gr. Grandfather and is listed on "Her Majesty's Ship - Malabar" in 1872 per my Grandfather's birth certificate.

Can anyone tell me how to find out anything about him?
As the story goes "he was killed aboard a ship by the mast falling on him" - possibly the Malabar as it was not long after my grandfather was born.

Thanks for any help.
Brenda
St. Thomas, Ontario, Canada

Michael Monaghan in RN pre-1850

mgourley1 — 27 May 2007 5:04:56 GMT

Hello This is probably a long shot but my great grandfather Michael Monaghan b 1803 Ireland served in the British Navy for 21 years.Looking for any confirmation of this fact. He married an Elizabeth Brown. He was in Ontario in 1851-1873 in Grey Co.and served as the Reeve of Osprey Twp.I don't know where born in Ireland or when married so hope to learn something from his Navy record.
Thanks for any help on where to look.
Mary in Canada

HMS Indus

JamesHart12 — 13 Jun 2003 7:43:34 GMT

Hi
I am new to this list having just discovered an ancestor serving as a Royal Marine private onboard HMS Indus (pretty sure it deciphers as that, the only other possibility being India but she scrapped in 1856) in 1862. Have not yet found out much about the INDUS. Can anybody out there point me in the right direction please??
Many thanks.

Bernard McBride, d Dunkirk

auntiesbarn — 13 May 2007 3:04:15 GMT

Died June 1940 Rescueing men off the beaches of Dunkirk
Tug boat Fagin?
Need info like a birth certificate.

William Welbury, at Trafalgar

katherinejames11 — 10 Apr 2007 11:19:37 GMT

I'm very new to this so don't know where to start. My family has always talked about William Welbury who "was drafted to serve in the battle of Trafalgar", however I can't find him on the online lists. This could just be a family legend but is there a chance he was there, but is just harder to find?

Thomas Mannings, at Trafalgar?

Aldo10 — 13 Apr 2007 1:53:16 GMT

Joseph Almond 1777-1863, married Catherine Garret (c1794-1863) eldest d/o William Garret (c1748-1844) and Ellen Caldwell (1770-1862), at New Carlisle, QC, Canada, c1813. William Garret had served in the 29th Regiment, Royal Army, during the colonial insurrection at Boston, MA. Almond claimed to have fought at Trafalgar as "Thomas Mannings", it seems most unclear why he had the alias. He could have been born in Scotland, he died at Shigawake, QC.

Is it possible to determine whether this man was present at the battle of Trafalgar?

John Watt, Lieutenant on half-pay pension 1818

dialcomley_1 — 9 Apr 2007 6:00:46 GMT

My ancestor received his commission in 1818 but was not appointed to a vessel. I understand that the RN was training a big surplus of oficers around this time and that those without appointments were retained on half-pay.

My question is - would his widow have received a pension after he died? And if so, would the records be in the same books as the half-pay registers?

If so, by working backwards from her death in 1846 I'm hoping to be able to determine when John died and obtain a death certificate with some personal details on it. (John Watt is such a common name that it's very hard to know which one might be him.)

The only records of him that I could find at Kew were in the Navy List and the half-pay registers, probably because he didn't have any service record. I'm in Australia so going to the Kew Archives is a pretty rare event.

Many thanks
Di

CPO George North

aaaaholley — 5 Apr 2007 10:26:21 GMT

Could anyone help me find service information on a CPO George North.
He should have finished servcie in 1945 - 50.

After the Battle of Trafalgar

PennyEves1 — 20 Dec 2006 11:56:28 GMT

I'm trying to piece together the possible life of my ancestor, and wonder if the following "life history" is credible:

1805 - Serves in HMS Belleisle at Trafalgar (Rate/Ranking: Private, Marine)
1806/24 - 6 children baptised at Norwich, Norfolk (no marriage found, but very likely before 1800)
1827/? - Proprieter of greengrocers/fruiters/confectioners in Great Yarmouth, Norfolk
1841 (census) - In the infirmary of the Royal Hospital, Greenwich (listed as "Surgery Mate")
1847 - Died at Greenwich

My main question is ... would someone who was possibly injured at Trafalgar go on to have an occupation outside the navy, but then be taken in in later life by the RH at Greenwich?

(There is one other nautical "connection" - my ancestor's daughter-in-law's father was also a seaman.)

Any opinions on the above would be most welcome. Many thanks.

Penny

HMS Boscawen

jb1950 — 3 Mar 2007 7:05:28 GMT

I have 2 boys in my family who went to TS the Exmouth. After the Exmouth one boy went to HMS Boscawen in 1886 and the other to S Melville Island in 1890. I know HMS Boscawen was a training ship in Portland. Does anyone know where I can find any records 1886 onwards? Also, is S Melville Island a merchant ship and not RN?

Rear-Admiral Rosche

jjimenez69 — 2 Mar 2007 5:26:47 GMT

Hello: I am trying to find if there was a Rear Admiral in the British navy named Rosche/Roche during the 1860s. Thanks! JJ

The Life of a Royal Marine around the time of Trafalgar

PennyEves1 — 7 Feb 2007 10:16:20 GMT

I think that one of my direct ancestors may have been a Royal Marine at Trafalgar (a person of his - fairly uncommon - name turns up on the Trafalgar Roll, and at the age of 60 - on the 1841 census - my ancestor is resident in the Royal Hospital at Greenwich).

Before making a special trip to TNA, I would like to have some idea of the feasibility of this scenario.

My ancestor married in Suffolk in September 1804. Their first child was born in Suffolk in May of the following year (so the bride was probably pregnant at the time of the wedding).

Their second child was born in Norfolk in June 1806 - so (theoretically!) husband and wife would have been "together" around September 1805. Subsequent children arrived at approx. 2 or 3 year intervals.

Bearing in mind that Trafalgar took place in October 1805, would a marine have been entitled to regular "shore leave" during this time, or would he have been away from home for several years at a time?

If anyone could throw any light on the life of a marine around this time, then I would be very grateful!

Many thanks.

Penny

Battle of Nile 1882 - Charles Berrisford

beresford97 — 11 Feb 2007 5:35:10 GMT

GGrandfather, Charles Berrisford, seaman, ( not to be confused with the Officer Charles Beresford) served on board a ship at Battle of Nile in 1882. Where can I find a list of ships present and ships lists of those on board?

Thank you

Shirley

Was he a deserter

martynfield — 11 Feb 2007 4:14:22 GMT

Hello there,
I have my Great Grandfather's Naval Service Record. I have attached a screenshot saved as a jpeg. At the bottom it looks like the writer has written "Run at Portsmouth" and from there on his service seems to have ended. Does anybody know if this does say "Run at Portsmouth" and if indeed, this is how desertion would have been recorded?

Many thanks in anticipation

Martyn

19th Century Royal Naval Promotions Online

GaryBerlin981 — 10 Feb 2007 10:40:35 GMT

A while ago I managed to find a list on the internet that someone had made of all the promotions within the Royal Navy during the 19th century. I found a reference to my 3xgreat grandfather George Palmer born c1821 in Bridgwater, It had the dates of his promotion to Lieutenant on 3 May 1853 and to Captain on 4 Apr 1870. I stupidly didn't make a note at the time of the address. Am trying to find the list again, but to no avail - does anyone know where I can find it again?

Gary

Royal Navy Uniform

irishgoose — 16 Jan 2007 7:24:19 GMT

I have a photo of a cousin, Herbert (Hubert) M. JONES, in a uniform. I have found a Herbert M Jones listed as a corporal in the Royal Navy. Would like to know if the uniform matches. Can anyone help?

Herbert is the son of Josiah JONES and Mary Eliza MARSHALLSAY. He was born around 1875, possibly in New York, but raised in the Southampton area of England. Both parents born in England.

Battle of Java

P0TTER — 13 Jan 2007 11:49:07 GMT

THOMAS STARKEY b.1778
Occupation: Thames Waterman from 1796
My GREAT X4 GRANDFATHER Thomas STARKEY b.1778 was awarded a General Service Medal which was issued about 1847, with a bar for the Battle of Java in 1811, I have no more info.about this and would like to understand what he was involved in.
Family legend has it that Thomas was Pressed into the Navy... he married had a family, was pressed for a number of years, and on return restarted his family.
Thomas was certainly in the Navy as another descendant of his, who I am in contact with, has his General Service Medal and a rather faded photograph of him [unfortunately undated] wearing the medal and dressed in the uniform of a Gunner.
Can anyone tell us about the Battle of Java... I have done a search here at RootsWeb and there seems to be no information about it at all.

Owen John Owen

lorraineowen79 — 23 Dec 2006 2:49:18 GMT

my father named above service number pjx923757rn. served during the suez canal crisis in the 1950,s .unfortunately i don,t know which ship he served on at the time.
can anybody please help

Navy List or records pre 1804

jessandrak — 18 Dec 2006 8:56:33 GMT

I am new researching for Naval records and although I am familiar with the online "Catalogue" for Kew I see they don't have online records for Naval officers for the time period I am searching for and I hope someone might be able to help me.

I am searching for records or info on Captain GEORGE JONES of the Royal Navy.

He was born ca. 1769 in Swansea, Wales and is noted as a Captain of the Royal Navy by 1804. He died 1834 in Wales aged 65.

Would anyone have access to lists of officers for this time period and be able to find anything out about this person or perhaps guide me to the appropriate resources?

I live in Germany and don't expect to be able to visit Kew personally in the near future and any help would be greatly appreciated!

Thank you very much,
Karen Bell

Officer's naval service record at Kew

microbaker — 2 Dec 2006 4:55:53 GMT

Hi everyone,

I'm after some advice on getting a service record for an officer in the Royal Navy from the National Archives.

I have downloaded his service record for the time up to when he became an officer but now wish to get his officer's record. I'm in Australia and it will cost about 45 pounds for the archives to research and send out the record, but I have a cousin who has said he will go to Kew for me and I need to give him some instructions as to what to do when he gets there. He has never been to Kew before nor done any family history so I would like to give him clear instructions if I can.

Did they keep the same service number when they became officers? The man in question joined the Navy in 1889 as a Boy and in 1896 there is a note at the bottom of the record that says "NP1387/96 Promoted to Act Gunner from 15.6.96" In the Discharged column it says "Officer's Section". Does anybody know what information I will need to give my cousin in order for him to be able to go to Kew and get a copy of the record? I've read the research guides but to be honest, I think I'm more confused now than I was before! I understand there is a Navy List in the microfilm reading room or something?

Sorry to be a nuisance. Any pointers will be gratefully received.

Also, a little off this topic, the man I am looking for is named Malcolm McKenzie. Family stories say he invented some form of Gun mounting bracket or something that enabled the gunners sight to stay constant on the target instead of moving around? If anyone knows of this device or a website where I may find something about it, I would be grateful. I've googled "gun sight" and a few other variations but have come up with blanks.

Alison

Royal Marines in Canada c.1835?

alastairdonald2 — 16 Nov 2006 12:04:41 GMT

Charles McCarthy is listed as a Sergeant, Royal Marines L. on his daughters wedding certificate in 1870. The 1871 census gives her place of birth as Canada, about 1835. Did Marines travel with wives? Were there marines in Canada around 1835?
His other daughter, Catherine, was born Woolwich c.1840. I've been unable to find Charles McCarthy at Kew despite employing a professional, nor have I found the birth of Catherine in Woolwich. Any suggestions?
Alastair Donald

Greenwich Pensioner

Jeneagen — 10 Nov 2006 4:20:29 GMT

I was looking at a passenger list for one of my ancestors, John Harris (Harries), his wife Mary Gilmore, and one of their son's William Harris. They arrived at the New Orleans port in March of 1854. On the passenger list, it stated that he was a sawyer and also listed a "Greenwich Pensioner". What does a Greenwich Pensioner mean? I have looked for information about it and the only thing that I can find is that it is possible that John Harris was some how associated with the Royal Navy. This seems to be consistent with the rumor that John Harris in the military and met his future bride, Mary Gilmore in a hospital in Ireland where she was working as a nurse. There is another family myth that he was a excellent swordsman, but I don't know much about that either. Any ideas? I try to learn as much as I can about my ancestors because it just seems to bring them to life for me.

I am curious. Thank you in advance for any assistance you can provide.

Jennifer

RN medals, Great War

Roger cook — 8 Nov 2006 6:27:41 GMT

Hi.

Does anybody know how to find war medals for an ancestor who served in the Royal navy during wwI. Is there an online list / catalogue that I could view as like the ratings list 1860-1923

Any help much appreciated

Regards Roger cook

Tom Percy Hemming, b. 1872

chweatherby_1 — 27 Sep 2006 2:55:38 GMT

My grandfather, Tom Percy Hemming, was born in Worcester in 1872. According to family legend, his parents died when he was young (dad when he was 2) and his older siblings "purchased a commission" for him in the Royal Navy, but either he rejected it or washed out, so they bought him a one way ticket to Canada. He emigrated there (with a trunk containing his clothes and a gun), worked on the railroad, married my grandmother in Manitoba, and the rest is history. If he was about 15 when he went to Canada, he would have been introduced to the Navy somewhere between 1882 and 1887. Does anyone have any suggestions for how I could track this family legend down, given that I live on the upper left coast of the USA and a visit to England is not in the cards in the foreseeable future. All assistance gratefully appreciated. Thanks.

Royal Navy

julia giblin — 14 Sep 2006 4:10:14 GMT

Hi,
Can anyone help with information ?
My four times great grandfather Henry Thomas Shewen, was a Comander, in the Royal Navy, as that is what is on his death certificate, died 1840 East-Stone House England...
Looking for any infomation, that henry served in the Royal Navy...
Cheers Julia - Australia.

names of RN ships

Shirley Arabin — 15 Sep 2006 1:13:56 GMT

Looking at the period of the Napoleonic Wars and following years. He served on the 'Antelope' 50 and the 'Pompee 74'.
Can someone please tell me does the number refer to the number of guns on the ship?

Thomas Thorp, record

mfunston1 — 24 Aug 2006 1:29:46 GMT

Thomas Thorp is listed in the 1841 census for Lancashire, England, Township of Newton Heath as male, 20 years old, profession, Navy, and as being born in the county.
Would someone with access to the military records look them up for me please. Thank you. Mike in U.S.

HMS Boadicea 1878-82

roykimcook — 10 Jul 2002 5:49:42 GMT

Looking for anyone with information on HMS Boadicea, posted to the Africa station 1878-82, and particularly the involvement of the Naval Brigade in the Zulu and Boer Wars. Boadicea's crew believed to have been involved in the battle of Gingindhlovu, the relief of Eshowe and later the battle of Majuba. Would love to hear from any descendants of crew or of Naval Brigade men, particularly George Hammond and Samuel John Witheridge, both PO 1st Class and Quartermasters on Boadicea, who died side by side at Majuba in 1881.

RN rating - T.M.

jshartnack — 22 Jul 2006 1:26:22 GMT

I have a Royal Navy service record card covering the years 1875-1885, on which appears in the "Rating &c." column, the abbreviation "T.M." with a date, then further down in the same column (and also the "Remarks" column), "T.M. ceased" and the date.

Can anyone tell me what this means?

Jeanette.

Ratings questions

dwclark_26 — 29 Aug 2006 7:25:41 GMT

Hello

I'll just been given a copy of my grandfathers Certificate of Service for the Royal Navy, fleet air arm.

Im just trying to write up the information but dont understand what some of the ratings mean: Could someone help.

They are as followed

Oid Tey (wm) (or something like that)
RM
L/RM
A/PO.R.m.(AR) Ty
PO.RM.(AR)Ty
PO RM

Many thank

David

RN ratings service records

jonsbedsit — 23 Jul 2006 9:41:07 GMT

I have obtained a copy of a service record covering the period 1901 - 1919 from the National Archives (ADM 188). The seaman's service fills the whole page, and there is no indication that he was discharged in 1919. In fact, there are some references to post 1919 service at the bottom of the page. Is there another page somewhere showing the rest of his service? There is a reference at the bottom of the list of ships he served on to "See Folio 19 at end". At the top under the seaman's name someone has written "PIC" then a 6 digit number. Any idea what this is?

Royal Navy, census 1871

Mardell_Gitchel — 29 Jul 2006 2:54:13 GMT

Would someone please look for William Goodman, 35, born Petheron, Somerset. Served on the Edgar in 1861 as a Private RM. I also need Frederick Torrance, 29, born Hastings, Sussex. Served on the Britannia in 1861 as Ordinance 2nd Class. I really appreciate all the help that people have given me in trying to sort out this family. I had virtually nothing to go on and now I have most of the pieces of the puzzle. Thank you. Mardell

John Main, aboard Man of War, 1836

paul main — 22 Jul 2006 12:11:28 GMT

searching for any maritime info on above named, he was born in 1810, baptized in Thurlestone, lived in Oreston, Plymstock in 1841, but was aboard ship 5th June, 1836, i presume sailing from the Devon/Plymouth area, i presume he's in the Royal Navy if on a said titled ship. any help would be great.

Searching Military records online

khalenanaria — 29 Sep 2005 1:19:04 GMT

Hi

Can anyone please give me an idea of how i search military records online.

My G-Grandfather John O'Brien was born in Cork in 1869 and joined the Royal Navy c1885 until c1916 when he left as Petty Officer.

I have no idea what ship(s) he served on. Someone very kindly emailed me fom another MessageBoard with a link to 'ADM188' and said they had done a quick search and found a couple of john O'Briens but I have tried for days to discover how she did it and now I am totally lost. I seem to go around in cirlces without actually getting any names or ships :(

Unfortunately my helper seems to have dissapeared also now.

Thanks in advance for any kind help

Paul

HMS Rainbow, - John Whitman, sailor 1764

Joyce — 29 Jun 2006 11:02:21 GMT

I found this info. at Library of VA. He either left or joined ship in VA in 1764. Happy to share all Whitman information.
Anyone know anything about him or the ship? Thank you.

Henry Wilson and George Else in England

kaserjenn75 — 8 Jun 2006 7:07:02 GMT

I am looking for more information on a Henry Wilson born abt 1769 in England. He is living with my great-great-great-grandfather George Else born 1836 in the 1841 Chatham, Kent census along with a Mary Ann Smith born abt 1826. Henry may have been in the Navy as his occupation but the census is hard to read. My George Else grew up to be a ship's carpenter so...
Any information on any of the three in this house would be great. Thanks

HMS Eagle and RNAS Condor

Sonia Graham — 24 Jun 2006 4:16:22 GMT

Seeking info about FX 885804 LAM (0) Goronwy Jones, "Gron" - (my brother -in-law). During the early 1960's he was based at RNAS Condor and lived in Arbroath with wife Pat and their five young boys. In 1965-66 he served aboard HMS Eagle, the aircraft carrier serving in the Indian Ocean.
Latterly, I understand he was stationed at Osprey, and Seahawke ? prior to retirement from the Navy.

His grown family are anxious for more information about him....Can anyone help please ?? we would be grateful for any assistance to connect us.

Rainbow, 1st Anglo-Dutch War

AndertonBargo — 12 Jan 2002 10:16:33 GMT

HMS Royal Oak - crew list

khalenanaria — 12 May 2006 8:54:45 GMT

Hi again...I have discovered that my very illusive G-Grandfather who served in the navy may have served on a ship called HMS Royal Oak.

The only HMS Royal Oak in service during his time c1885 - 1916, was the Royal Sovereign class battleship. This fits in quite well because his daughter, who is still very much alive, remembers that he had an accident in a sea-plane which was the cause of him leaving the service with a dissability pension. HMS Royal Oak was part of the 'Special Flying Squadron'

Now, I have tried to find a crew list for this ship on the National Archives site but aparantly the ship didn't exist. Where else might I find such a crew list. ??

Thanks for any info you might be able to provide.

Paul

The Endymion

trix_r — 6 Jun 2006 4:15:00 GMT

Does anyone know how I can find list of crew members Hms endymion? who fought in The Battle of Jutland early 1900's Looking for my grandfather John Stephen Roberts chief engineer
Thanks