Unfortunately, I would have no idea. My grandfather was the other brother of Glenda and Ronnie. My grandfather "Jimmy" aka James Garner died. As did his parents Martha and James Archer Garner. They passed before I was very old. I never met Martha and only have a vague memory of my great grandfather. All I know of Ronnie and Glenda is from my dad who grew up close to both of them. It's the story I've always heard and as far as I know what my father knows to be true.