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MorticiaCorpse  (View posts) Posted: 21 Aug 2003 4:21AM GMT
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I was wondering if anyone had ANY ANY ANY kind of information on a Lilly E. Gray that is buried in the Salt Lake City Cemetery!

She was born on June 6th 1881 and died November 14 1958

If you have any information please e-mail me at
MorticiaCorpse@Yahoo.com

Thank you in advanced!

Re: Lilly E. Gray!

summers5  (View posts) Posted: 8 May 2004 5:26AM GMT
Classification: Query
Have you had someone pull the obituary? What about her death certificate? If you still need help let me know.

Jackie
summers@xmission.com

Re: Lilly E. Gray!

Whitney  (View posts) Posted: 13 Dec 2005 10:21PM GMT
Classification: Query
I don't have any info on Lilly. But I have also always wanted to know more about her. Why does her tombstone say "Victim of the Beast 666". I would love to hear any info anyone else knows. Thanks!

Re: Lilly E. Gray!

Alexis  (View posts) Posted: 17 Jan 2006 11:59PM GMT
Classification: Query
I have just seen the grave a few days ago with one of my friends. He told me he's asked everyone, even the graveyard workers and they don't know anything about her. When he was there earlier a friend stepped on the grave and later crushed her hand, suposedly it's said to be cursed.
what i DO knoe about her is this, she died in a hospital, her husband is burried across the road, and they were still married when they departed. that's all i know so far, but i am determined to find out more. i hope i was some kind of help, although i'll admit not much. if you find out anymore information please contact me with the subject Lilly E. Gray, thank you

Re: Lilly E. Gray!

dsammy55  (View posts) Posted: 18 Jan 2006 5:57AM GMT
Classification: Query
I have been to cemetery myself and checked it out to be sure and even checked the neighboring graves.

Her husband is buried not across the road, but clear across the cemetery to the other side, in the "Park" section, which is the section behind the sexton's office.

What is clear is since it was in 1950s, the reference was obvious, considering where she came from, being Quebec and anti-Catholicism was pretty strong around this time period in some areas. Her grave neighbors were all LDS.

I found her obituary and there are no children but only nieces and nephews, no names. Her husband died several years later.

Re: Lilly E. Gray!

nagog1  (View posts) Posted: 1 Sep 2007 4:21AM GMT
Classification: Query
One explanation for what is written on her headstone could be this: Before modern psychology/medicine, those who would now be considered insane or have mental illnesses, would back in the olden days before our modern 21st century, have been considered by the Christian community (especially the Catholic faith at the time) as demoniacally possessed. Could it be possible that Lilly E. Gray simply had a mental illness that was thought to be demonic possession by the overpowering and dominating religious community that most likely surrounded her? Take a look at the Salem Witch Trials. Do you REALLY believe all those young girls where witches? Or was the religious community at the time too narrow minded to see that they most likely were not witches, but bored girls who wanted to have something to do so they played a "game" or prank on their community with deadly results? So anyway, just thought I would try to give a new view that I have not seen anyone bring up yet about Lilly E. Gray.

Re: Lilly E. Gray!

oldwolfguy  (View posts) Posted: 11 Nov 2007 11:34AM GMT
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Surnames: Gray
A well thought perspective, but this was 1958 not 1858. The chances of mental illness being thought of as possession in the 50's is possible but not likely.

Re: Lilly E. Gray!

brandipuppy  (View posts) Posted: 21 Mar 2009 7:19PM GMT
Classification: Query
I have been doing some reasearch on Lilly Gray. This is somethings I have found
`Richelle Hawk is the person that has dug the deepest in to finding about what this grave meant and this is mostly the in formation she found

~ Lilly's/Lily's husband's name is Elmer Gray
~ Well on the grave it says she her name is Lilly and was born on June 6, 1881 but in the cemetary sexton's records say that her name is Lily and she was born on June 4, 1880
~Richelle Hawk found some records for an Elmer L.(Lewis) Gray's criminal Pardons Application in 1947. Also found a 1901 Odgen standard newspaper clipping in which a man named Elmer Gray was arrested and sentenced to five days on the rock pile for stealng an umbrella valued at $3.50, from the Pain and Hurst company. No way of knowing if it's the same Elmer Gray, but date and age seems to fit
-quesions about this whole thing that never were answered-
~ If this Elmer Gray even though being a petty criminal be the beast it infers to?
~Who was the person the requested the epitaph?
~Was it purposely changed from June 4, 1880 to June 6, 1881

Re: Lilly E. Gray!

brandysmith21  (View posts) Posted: 9 Jun 2009 6:44AM GMT
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Does anybody found any information about Lilly E. Gray's life before she died? Or her husbands for that matter. According to the reports, she and Elmer married, both at an older age, both for a second time. It would be nice to find accounts of what their life was like together, and before they married.

Re: Lilly E. Gray!

melbadonna1  (View posts) Posted: 9 Jun 2009 3:19PM GMT
Classification: Query
I found this article on line under Lily Gray:

Elmer L. Gray's Criminal Pardons Application is now available online via the Utah State Archives. What a character. Reading his answers in the form questionnaire, a definite sense of his personality can be detected, which includes sarcasm ("Woodrowe Lamb, a bum,") irony, and exaggeration. He seems quite eccentric, and probably more than a bit cantankerous.
In the document, he has typed a line that has an affinity with and shares a spirit with the one on Lilly's stone. On the line that asks for "Address of parents," Mr. Gray has written, "Booth dead. Died of grief when kidnapers murdered my Wife." Later, he refers to his arresting officers and prison officials as "Democrat officials," and "kidnapers."

So, whatever the real circumstances concerning these family deaths, it can be concluded that Elmer Gray blamed the law for the death of his previous wife and clearly considered her a victim. (Remember, Lilly was a subsequent wife-they married in 1950, three years after this document was filed.)

Elmer Gray's view of the government and law is clear-a criminal, evil organization hell-bent on kidnapping, imprisoning and murdering innocent citizens without cause or provocation.

With all the conspiracy, anti-government, sentiments of victimization within, it is difficult and perhaps foolish not to come to one conclusion-that Elmer L. Gray was responsible for placing the outrageous phrase, "Victim of the Beast 666" on his second wife Lilly's gravestone, and that it refers simply to the government, law enforcement and officials, with whom he likely tangled with his entire adult life*, and the dynamics and beliefs based on his experiences.

So, after reading the Criminal Pardons Application, and considering his references to victimhood and murder at the hands of the law; also that he was Lilly's only known survivor, who likely made all her funeral arrangements, including ordering her stone-what are the chances that the inscription has nothing to do with his extreme belief system?

Although an investigation into the apparently colorful life of Elmer L. Gray is unquestionably warranted, I believe the mystery behind his wife's strange epitaph is finally solved.

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