Gunslingers - Family History & Genealogy Message Board

john wesley hardin

donna dale — 30 Sep 2004 8:05:46 GMT

i am told john wesley hardin was my grandfather's grandfather. I don't know of this to be true and would like any help. My grandma's name was brown and grandpa's hambrick. Does anyone have any info that could make this true

to turfbinder

tj_hardin — 31 Aug 2008 3:57:02 GMT

Please let me know how the book is going!!! When I was researching I came across this book: John Wesley Hardin, Texas Gunman by Nordyke, Lewis. Although it is a little embellished as a novel, I enjoyed actually getting into the perspective of living as him and the true life details we will never historically find. It started my interest in historical fiction, although I can't call it that. So much is missing because he was running. I also hate that I am from Texas and he truly began and ended as one of the last "Texas Outlaws" but most of his story takes place in other states hidden away. Many shouldn't claim his lineage completely leaves Texas because Texan family, I feel, has more ties, interest, and relationship to the Texan's life.
I have carried his genes, or at least his spirit, since I was born. My father's family has stayed in Texas for generations. My grandfather is John Wesley Hardin, Sr. and my father is Jr. My great grandmother was Cherokee which is why I know his family tree can't go that far from Texas. By the way, is there any way to prove historically that it is Hardin with an "i" not an "e". I hate seeing it both ways and have met many Harden's that have no clue about JWH. Even visiting our State History museum has it written both ways in one paragraph. Totally confusing! I am interested in continuing my research because not only would I be proud to have such an ancestor, but that his elder uncle Augustine actually signed the Texas Declaration of Independence! This could prove that I am a daughter of the republic of Texas. My grandmother says she has researched the lineage and it is true, but so many people claim relation. I truly think his life and lovers will remain a mystery unsolved. He spent the majority of his life covering up any proof he existed and hiding the Hardin name. I am intrigued that so much interest exists but I think following his trail, state to state, cattle trails to trains, no real proof can exist. Even he left out so much in his own story. If I never know the truth, I am still inspired by my family, and I frequently find myself acting like the JWH I studied. Truly, he never shot a man for snoring... and reasoned never shooting anyone that didn't deserve it, which is how I act towards others during conflict...it needs a reason. I know he was no mass murderer, just a man with reason, morals, and a short temper. I hate that quality about myself, especially as an teacher (just like he was at one proud time), but I feel that it makes us more parallel than any genes can prove. Plus I am one hell of a card player! Anyways, I would like to hear about your investments with JWH, and read your book! Any findings about family in Buda, TX? I will contact my grandmother for her research and if I find anything interesting I will get back to you. P.S. What is your relation to JWH?

Boone Helm

Rod — 12 Jan 2002 1:39:15 GMT

Just found out this week that I am descended from the "notorious" outlaw, Boone Helm. He was referred to "as a murderer and cannibal"!

Can anyone tell me about him? All I've been able to find out about him is that he was "lynched" in 1864 in Virginia City, Montana.

I am desperate to learn more about this "outlaw".

Austin Perry

Corey Gardner — 2 Jun 2004 4:25:09 GMT

Austin Perry was a gunslinger in Louisiana. He was born in the late 1800s in Amite, Louisiana. He grew up in Rapides Parish, Louisiana in North Louisiana. He was a farmer, and he had three children. Austin was in a shoot-out with the Revenuers around North Louisiana. They were shooting behind trees. Austin and his brother-in-law D. Cooper fought in a gun duel against each other. They both drew there guns and Austin drew his quicker, but Austin's son Clinton grapped his father's gun to try and stop the duel. D. Cooper shot Austin, who fell, Austin, shot then crawled to his gun and shot and killed D. Cooper. Cooper died instantly. Austin died later. The duel took place April 7, 1923. Both of the men shot and killed each other in a gun duel.

John Wesley or Jefferson Davis Hardin/Ida Mae

micheleyegge — 4 Jan 2002 1:14:54 GMT

Working on Jefferson Davis Hardin b1860 TX, brother of John Wesley Hardin (outlaw). Researched two marriages- 1)Ida May Croussore m1887 Lipscombe Co. Tx, 2) Mary Taylor m1896 TX- children in both marriages.Would like to exchange info. myegge@earthlink.net

Texas gunman "Lige" Gardner

CoreyGardner51 — 6 Dec 2007 2:09:18 GMT

"Pages from a Worker's Life" by William Z. Foster in TEXAN AMENITIES:

"The most - hard boiled boss was 'Lige' Gardner, timekeeper and gunman. Gardner, slight of build and dark - complexioned, came of an old aristocratic Southern family. His people had owned many slaves and a big plantation, but they lost everything in the Civil War. Gardner could not forget this and deeply hated Northerners.
Gardner's evil disposition was worsened because he suffered from Bright's disease, and the doctors had given him only a couple of years to live. He used to say, "If I've got to cash - in I might as well take along some of my enemies". And as good, or bad, as his word, Gardner had killed two white men and several Negroes; he was saved from prosecution by his aristocratic connections. He treated us in the kitchen with artifical politeness but, gun in hand, he terrorized the Mexican laborers."

Foster knew Gardner while working for a Southern Pacific repair crew at Echo, Texas near Beaumont.

Foster noted Gardner as a gunfighter, as well as a "Southern aristocrat".

pistoleer Gardner

CoreyGardner51 — 19 Jul 2007 10:46:55 GMT

I am researching gunslingers named Gardner.

If anyone is researching a gunfighter named Gardner, then call 225 - 439 - 6307.

Thank you,
Corey

gunfighter GARDNER

CoreyGardner51 — 11 Jul 2007 12:33:46 GMT

I am researching gunmen named Gardner.

I have found three Gardner men referred to as gunfighters.

My ancestor Lewis Gardner was referred to as a gunfighter in Texas and I am researching him. Another man named Gardner who was referred to as a gunfighter was Alexander Gardner, a mercenary in the Middle East. He was involved in several gunfights, finishing off many a foe on the frontier that we are fighting today.

I've also heard of a gunfighter named Zeb Gardner. I would love more information on all of these gunslingers named Gardner and would love to find more gunslingers named Gardner. I am especially looking for a notorious gunfighter with the surname Gardner.

I had found a Gardner gang of the Southwest who seem to be very hard to research, as well as a Gardner family in Western Missouri that were involved in shooting affrays.

I believe I had found a 'bad man' named Frank Gardner who had shot and killed Joe Montague in a shooting affray in 1902 at Mountain Home, Idaho.

I had found a gambler named Pliney Gardner who had shot a man in 1859 at California. He was mentioned in Wild West book. Another shootist I had found was named Joe Gardner, who shot a hot tempered man named Bill Garrison in a rifle fight on the Minnesota frontier in 1904, and that same year a cowboy named William Gardner shot two cowboys to death on the Wiggin Ranch for looking at his wife, he was chased by a posse.

I have also found a hard gunman named 'Lige' Gardner who terrorized Mexican laborers who were working the Southern Pacific Railroad at Echo, Texas.

I had found a gunfight in the 1870s which mentioned a public official named David Gardner who shot it out with a hot tempered man named "Buckskin Bill" Mooney in the middle of the street at Hollister, California. It was a famous gunfight of the time, and the two men drew their revolvers and Gardner shot "Buckskin Bill" and it was ruled self - defense.

I have found an amazing gunfight in which a man named T. A. Gardner was being shot at by a man with a rifle named Richard Holcomb. Gardner evaded the bullets and then raised his revolver and shot Holcomb through the head killing him instantly. That gunfight happened in 1892 at Nebraska and it was ruled self - defense.

I researching anyone who has ancestor named Gardner who was a gunfighter.

Buckskin Frank Leslie

Linda — 26 Feb 2003 12:16:33 GMT

I am looking for any information on Frank Leslie. Does anyone know about any kids he had? If you have ideas please get back with me.
Thanks: Linda

Reno Gang

ddavis1540 — 10 Sep 2004 7:36:58 GMT

Trying to find some information on the Reno Gang. They were based in IN, just after the Civil War. My husband is supposed to be from their line.

Any information helpful
Thanks

Frank Jackson

kidcurry1 — 23 Nov 2003 11:41:28 GMT

Looking for any info on Frank Jackson who rode with the Sam BAss GAng. would like to know where Frank is burried.

Bittercreek or Bittersweet NEWCOMB?

Jannita Weidenbach — 12 Jan 2002 1:26:53 GMT

I have reason to believe that Bittercreek Newcomb (George), was related to us. There has been stories past down the family. If any one could help with his line, that would be great.He hung out with John Pierce and James, and a few other gangs.
Thank you,
Jannita Weidenbach

Maxwell Brothers

whbsbb — 28 Aug 2006 3:03:24 GMT

Looking for any information on Robert Riley Maxwell and his brothers. 2 reside in Leavenworth in 1918.

Sarah

gunfighter Lewis Gardner

CoreyGardner51 — 10 Aug 2006 6:56:59 GMT

Australian bushranger Frank Gardiner

Corey — 16 Dec 2005 11:30:28 GMT

Outlaw Roy Gardner "King of the Escape Artists"

CoreyGardner51 — 20 May 2005 3:46:01 GMT

Oakes, Carson, Head & Bennet

jamreed02 — 1 Feb 2006 3:24:56 GMT

I've attached a photograph that my grandmother had of family friends, Oakes, Carson, Head & Bennet, some outlaws...
thought some of you may be interested in seeing it, very good quality.

Jim Garner

CoreyGardner51 — 24 Jan 2006 1:13:18 GMT

Jim Garner, a noted desperado and badman, was hanged at Corpus Christi, Texas on May 15th, 1866 for killing the wrong man.

Jim Garner, known as a bad hombre who was a drunkard and a killer who had killed several men before, shot and killed a fisherman during a saloon argument, and on May 15th, 1866, Garner shot and killed a storekeeper for refusing to sell him a pair of boots on credit. A lynch mob formed of about 50 people with a fifty foot rope and carried the drunken killer down Front Street at Corpus Christi and attempted to hang him from a two - story home, and finally they found a tall branch on a mesquite tree that would do it. As they carried the gunslinger down the street, he kept saying "Give me a trial boys, give me a trial!", but he had a reputation as a killer, so they decided to hang him, and later one man even said that the badman must have struggled because as a boy when he witnessed the lynching, he kept having nightmares about the killer's tongue hanging out.

Would anybody have any additional information about this bad hombre named Jim Garner?

ISO info on Claire Gilbert, bank robber

HarrietAv — 20 Jun 2005 8:08:30 GMT

I am looking for information on a thug named Claire Gilbert who murdered my Grandmother's brother, George in the 1930's.

He was a two-bit hood in the midwest who robbed banks, probably between Minneapolis and Chicago. Our family knew him from a resort in Wisconsin.

Any one with articles or info on this punk can email me.

thank you

Gardners of the Old Wild West

CoreyGardner51 — 12 Apr 2005 2:21:59 GMT

Do you know these names?

Tess — 15 Sep 2000 6:49:51 GMT

WOOLLET (OHIO)
VALENTINE and SPEAKMAN (CENTRAL OHIO)

Mysterious Lewis Gardner

Corey Gardner — 28 Feb 2005 3:37:52 GMT

Cole & Bob Younger

mrbuck1 — 13 Aug 2005 4:10:22 GMT

Hi,

If anyone is interested in Bob or Cole Younger, the MN Historical Society has put up some art/posters/postcards online of their historical collections to view. Go here: http://collections.mnhs.org/visualresources/search.html to search the collections. Once there, type in Younger and they will come up to look at. You will have to scroll down a bit before you see them. Just thought this might interest anyone interested!!

Michelle

Lewis Gardner

CoreyGardner51 — 7 Dec 2004 2:01:17 GMT

Lewis Gardner was born in the Carolinas around the year 1810. He was the grandson of Daniel Gardner, a "Regulator". Tradition says that Lewis left home after a fall out with his father over a horse. He came to Georgia in the 1820s or 30s, where he married Martha Ann Sykes/Sikes around the year 1834 and settled on Sand Hill in Monroe County. They had several children and then in 1845, he moved to Pike County. He sold his land to his oldest son, and then in 1859, Lewis moved his family to Newton County, Mississippi. He was on the Natchez Trace in Mississippi. The story goes is that Lewis came home one day during the Civil War and he and Martha got into a fight, so Lewis got back on his horse and rode away. He obtained a divorce in September of 1863. Lewis was once arrested for a crime in Mississippi. He went to Texas and they think he was in Houston County for a time, and then near Denton, and then spent his last years in Johnson County. There were rumours that Lewis was a horse theif. Lewis Gardner was said to have died in a gunfight in Texas. He died before the year 1880 in Texas.

Big Jim French

Molly Roland — 16 Sep 2004 3:15:25 GMT

Anybody have anything on his life of crime?

Newcombs of Oklahoma

marfan48 — 2 Aug 2005 4:17:39 GMT

I am looking for information on Oklahoma Newcombs. My Great Grandfather supposedly had a brother who lived in Indian Territory, & was married to a Cherokee? woman called "Black Jane". This Newcomb brother supposedly had committed a crime, & could not leave Indian Territory. A Professoer Newcomb(from Texas) said that the Oklahoma Newcombs "ran with the Delaware Indians & were notorious horse thieves, & murders". My G. Grandfather, John W. Newcomb, born 1833, came out of Kansas, or Missouri, or only God knows where. Story is: whereever they lived--a Newcomb brother killed a soldier(before Civil War). Three brothers fled together, & that my G,. Grandfather was about 16 yrs. old. I know this is a long shot, but keep hoping to run across some Oklahoma Newcomb, with the same family history, as all attempts to trace my Great Grandfather Dead end at Palo Pinto county, Texas, before the Civil War. Thanks!

gunslinger Lewis Gardner ? <SC<GA<MS<TX

Corey Gardner — 26 Sep 2004 9:54:06 GMT

Dalton gang

PamelaWages46 — 29 Jun 2002 3:59:34 GMT

Looking for information on the dalton gang. there parents or any other information. from a dalton whoses family is closed mouthed

Bonnie & Clyde Major Shootout in Dexter, IA, 1933; Clyde’s brother killed

Jeff Klein — 6 Jul 2004 5:35:09 GMT

One handed or two handed????

Lucky Deuce — 12 Jun 2004 6:25:20 GMT

Does anyone know if the old west gunfighters use one hand or two hands (like the modern weaver stance) in thier gunfights? I am trying to research info on this subject and need info and sources... Thanks..

Lewis Gardner

Corey Gardner — 2 Jun 2004 4:07:22 GMT

My great great great grandfather was Lewis Gardner. His real name was said to be John Lewis Gardner. He was born around the year 1810 in Kershaw, South Carolina. He had a misunderstanding with his father about a horse, so Lewis went to Baldwin and Jones Counties in Georgia. He married Martha Sykes around 1834 in Georgia. They had 14 children born in Georgia. Lewis moved to Monroe County, where he was said to have owned the Little Tobesofkee Creek Ranch. He then sold his land to his oldest son, and Lewis then moved to Pike County, Georgia, then he was on the Natchez Trace in Mississippi, where he settled in Newton County, Mississippi around 1859. Lewis came home one day and he and Martha had a fight, so Lewis got back on his horse and rode away to Texas. A cousin represented him in the divorce that followed in 1863. Lewis rode to Texas during the Civil War. He was an explorer from Newton, Mississippi to Denton, Texas. Lewis's son Wylie Jackson Gardner came to Texas after he fought in the Civil War, in 1865, with a good war record and was a prominent settler in Dallas County, he was an officer, a commissioner, and Master of the Masonic Lodge. Lewis's other son Daniel Gardner was a scout in the Cavalry and came to Texas in 1880. Records show Lewis died in either Dallas County or Johnson County, Texas around the year 1880. Lewis was said to have died in Denton, Texas, family lore says Lewis went to Brownsville, Cameron County, Texas where they say he was killed. Supposedly by horse thieves. Lewis Gardner was also said to be a murderer and a horse thief who was hanged. He died before 1880 in Texas. Lewis Gardner is said to be buried in Denton, Texas.

Texas Gardner

Corey Gardner — 2 Jun 2004 3:52:29 GMT

Texas Gardner was associated with Frank Jackson and the Sam Bass gang. I don't know much about him.

Would anybody have any info on Texas Gardner.

Gardner

Corey Gardner — 2 Jun 2004 3:48:43 GMT

George Gardner was a gunslinger. Gardner was a sometime cowboy, Wild West performer, gunfighter, and law officer in the 1890s and later. He was the Special Police of Sheridan, Wyoming. Gardner's Colt revolver, gunbelt, and badge are in the Gene Autry Museum in Los Angeles, California.

Would anyone have anymore info about George Gardner the gunfighter.

Frank James the Missing children?

janleathers — 12 Jan 2002 1:50:12 GMT

Outlaw-Okie, How can I find out more information on these Missing Children? How many Children were there? PT

Harry Tracy, Oregon and Washington State.

EM — 4 Apr 2004 6:43:46 GMT

Killed severa law officers and his own partner before killing himself in a field in Eastern Washington State. Tracy killed himself after being shot by a local Sheriff and citizens.

Outlaws in Texas / Louisiana Sabine County

Sue — 6 Sep 2002 9:40:56 GMT

Does anyone know what outlaws were hiding out in the Texas / Louisiana Sabine County area of "No Man's Land" between the years of 1848 through 1855? Thanks.

William M. Hall/Outlaw&Gunslinger???

sarah williams — 20 Feb 2004 2:47:15 GMT

I have a William M. Hall supposedly born in Texas abt. 1866. Family legend has it that he shot and killed a man when he was about 17. His mother begged him to leave because he would be hanged. He left and changed his name to William M. Hall. He met his wife, Mary Ellen Light Robinson when he and an aquaintance rode in to ???,Kansas firing off their six-shooters. They married, had children, and lived around Silverdale, Ks and Newkirk, Ok, and Pawhuska, Ok.
Does anyone have a story about a missing Uncle or cousin?

John Clevenger and Willie Winn

Patty Lambert — 24 Aug 2002 11:59:33 GMT

My family said John Clevenger had a gang in Ark,and Ok,and Willie Winn road with him.

"The Rattler"

grace gilgen — 4 Jan 2002 1:23:55 GMT

Am interested in anyone's comments about
a man called "The Rattler" 1870-late 80's
My grandfather was referred to as that name.
He was either with the Texas Rangers or was
one of Sam Bass' gang the night Bass was
shot. Bass' horse was also named "The
Rattler". My grandfather was Bob or Robert
LAY, born 1854 Tennessee.
my e-mail is Thanks
Grace

Cantrell Raiders

Tmcgu95 — 12 Jan 2002 1:38:06 GMT

I am looking for the names of the Cantrell Raiders and their ancestry. All help or hints appreciated.
Thanks
Terry

"Mr Storey" killed in gunfight in Kansas City

jackstorey10 — 20 Dec 2004 7:56:46 GMT

We have some data re a gunfight in Kansas City involving a "Storey" who was killed and another man who later married Storey's widow. Any further data on this event would be helpful, especially to the Irish relatives of this "Storey" man.

Gunslingers demo request

Oscar Wild — 10 Jul 2003 2:24:20 GMT

Can anyone help? We are looking for gunslingers to attend our fund raising gala open day at Glasgow Ski & Snowboard Centre Club. Any ideas call 0141 427 4991 or email as above.

OW

a member of the Capone gang ?

Laurel — 10 Jul 2003 12:09:26 GMT

How would I find out about a Lawrence Kendall ? The family tree info says that he was a member of the Capone gang and that he died in Prison. But did they all go to the same Prison? He was probably born about 1905.

Any Outlaws In Nevada???

tonymaki — 18 Sep 2002 9:11:02 GMT

I live in a now famous town called Push, Nevada. What I was wondering is if there are any good stories from this town. Thanks all.

Ben F. Robertson (a/k/a Ben Wheeler & Ben F. Burton) - Outlaw

MilamCo GenSoc — 26 Jan 2002 6:31:56 GMT

Seeking information on Ben F. Robertson (a/k/a Ben Wheeler & Ben F. Burton)

Website with more information at:

http://www.geocities.com/milamco/milam-293.htm

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INDIVIDUAL: Ben F. Robertson (a/k/a Ben Wheeler & Ben F. Burton)
Birth date: 1854
Birth place: Rockdale, Milam Co., TX
Death date: 30 Apr 1884
Death place: Medicine Lodge, Barber Co., KS
Burial place: Unknown
1st Married - Wife: Unknown
2nd Married - Wife: Alice M. Wheeler
2nd Marriage date: 27 Nov 1881 (Vol. 1, p. 91)
2nd Marriage place: Indianola, Red Willow Co., Nebraska

Gale Hill/Boone May

Casperia — 12 Jan 2002 1:16:41 GMT

D. Boone May, one of the roughest lawmen in the South Dakota Territory, disappeared into South America. (Remember Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid?) He was a kinsman of my grandmother, whose father, GALE HILL, was a stagecoach messenger (guard)wounded at the Canyon Springs, WY gold coach robbery in Sept. 1878. It's the only one where all the gold was not recovered. Gale died on a business trip in 1889,in Middlepark (near Denver) Colorado. No grave that I know of, nor reason for being there.

None of the family, some named after him, has ever been able to figure out Gale's (Galen's) past, beyond born about 1854 near St. Joe to Elliott Hill and Elizabeth May.

I think there was some fishy business and that's why no stories got passed down. Both are in the Deadwood tourist literature, but does anyone have further Hill or May knowledge? There are alot of Hills in the West, SW, and South, but haven't found Galen or Elliott yet. Heroes........or not?

Jesse James

Ray Collinson — 4 Jan 2002 1:17:31 GMT

Did Jesse die at the hand of Bob Ford, or was he the man in the early '40's died NYC confessed to police he was J.J. Bullet scars were found in his back. Another story says rocks were in the coffin of J.J.
raymond.collinson@virgin.net

Ben Cooper

Bonnie — 4 Jan 2002 1:13:47 GMT

Does anyone have any info on Ben Cooper, he rode with Jessie James and was a Quantrill Raider, Thanks

Frank James, the Missing Children; the Missing Pieces.....

Outlaw-okie — 12 Jan 2002 1:55:04 GMT

NEWS my Friends!!! The Children of the Outlaw Frank James have now come forward!!! Only Selected few have viewed the latest Photographs and other information!!! Keep your fingers crossed, in hope of More News to Come!!!!!!!

Two more Jesse W. James (Outlaw) boards now availible

IvyPlace — 10 Sep 2002 3:44:29 GMT

I Believe that there can never be too many boards, forums or places to look because, we don't know where we will find the answers we are looking for. so with that in mind, I am letting others know of these two other and fairly recent additions to the Jesse W. James research.

1) Someone who does not want to be known and who was upset about Jesse W. James researchers who may believe that Jesse James lived long after 1882, started a new board in attempts to move these unwanted posters from their JAMES GenForum.

It may be another place to use to find answer's no matter what reason the board was created and there fore I am letting others know about it.

"Upset Poster on Genforum" New Jesse James Debate board at http://www.1freespace.com/jessewjames/ (http://www.1freespace.com/jessewjames/)

2) Delphi Jesse James Topic board Delphi Boards recommended by Phil at http://www.delphi.com/jameshistory/ (http://www.delphi.com/jameshistory/) you can see the posting original Post at http://genforum.genealogy.com/james/messages/5928.html (http://genforum.genealogy.com/james/messages/5928.html) (Please note to participate on this Delphi board as part of Delphi.com's personalized discussion services, you must create a Delphi.com account.)

Sharon

Member of James Boys Bandit Group

JBShirleyR — 19 Aug 2002 12:29:39 GMT

I have previously posted a message and failed to give more detailed information. Family legend states that my husband's grandfather, John James Ramsey, rode with Jesse Frank James when he was a very young man. He left his home in Tn. in 1878 and no story has been passed down as to where he went. We do know that his grandparents, John Catheren Utt Williams lived in Wyandotte Co., Ks at the time and that it was near Clay County, Mo where the James Boys mother lived. One of his daughter's stated that he stayed with the Cole's and Younger families after he left Tn. Many stories were told by John James regarding the James Gang and we have reason to believe he may have rode with them, but cannot document it as truth. When all of the impersonators confessing to be Jesse James were prominent, he said that he could ask them 3 questions and he could tell if they were for real. We also have reason to believe that he perhaps had another family before entering the Cherokee Strip Land run in 1893. Two ladies from Missouri appeared on his farm long after he died and said they were his granddaughters from Mo. At that time there were none of his present granddaughters living in Mo., therefore, we believe there is possibly another family. Can anyone connect with this information? Would appreciate any info. Please e-mail me at OKLACOUSIN@prodigy.net. Thanks for any help extended.

William Sinclair

Canzada86 — 12 Jan 2002 1:49:25 GMT

Looking for information and place of death for William "Bill" Sinclair. Born in Anson County NC about 1865 went to Texas, married had some children, killed in a barroom brawl in early 1900's, probably before 1919.